jezport
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I like the idea of the cards, we would need to try to get all the motorhome forums to do a card for maximum impact.
al n sal
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if they can save some money on this then its more expenses for them to claim.....simples.....:lol-053:
crowan
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Interestingly there has been nothing reported about despairing traders - or anyone else despairing - in the Scarborough Evening Post. I wonder who they are? I can't really see any of the cafes (who are the ones close enough to know who's parking) complaining. The Oasis has just been refurbished to attract surfers, many of whom are in motorhomes and campervans.
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as a regular visitor to benefits on sea i don't believe any traders have complained the council only have to use them to get the ball rolling,i would have thought they had enough problems with the sea defences,oats,the sands development and the pavilion to keep them more than bizzy,but then again i suppose it helps to take peoples eye off the ball
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Just got the following;-
Dear Richard
Thanks for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to get in touch as your feedback is important to us.
We want to ensure you receive great service, so I need to investigate your query a little further. I’ll be back in touch as soon as possible.
Thanks for your patience.
Kind regards
Stephen Henderson
Customer Manager
Fingers crossed. Maybe they are looking into it???
kimbowbill
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Updated email from SBC
Hi Just thought i would pass on the response from jane wilson, Parking manager SBC,
Dear Miss Morris
I refer to your email to Stuart Clark, which has been forwarded to me for a response.
The Councils current policy on Motor home parking in its off street car parks is that no person should use any part of a parking place for sleeping, camping or cooking.
The policy is decided on by elected members. Scarborough Borough Council have encountered problems with motor homes parking and leaving behind rubbish and on occasions even emptying chemical toilets. The Council have had to spend large amounts of money with the associated clean up.
The Council also receive a number of complaints from traders, as alluded to in your email to Cllr Watson. It is unfortunate that a small majority of motorhome owners tarnish the reputation of others, however due to the problems encountered this policy remains in place. Members also felt that allowing overnight parking would take away income from the many camp sites in the area which cater specifically for motor homes, the council’s car parks do not have any basic facilities including running water. You may wish to browse the site below for low cost alternative campsites other than the one you refer to.Camping and Caravan Sites : Council Services for Scarborough Borough, Whitby and Filey Whilst I understand that you would have preferred a more positive response, I trust this clarifies the situation.
Yours Sincerely
Jane Wilson
Deputy Parking Manager
Scarborough Borough Council
Tel (01723) 383582
Scarborough Borough Council Homepage - Whitby | Scarborough | Filey
Hi Just thought i would pass on the response from jane wilson, Parking manager SBC,
Dear Miss Morris
I refer to your email to Stuart Clark, which has been forwarded to me for a response.
The Councils current policy on Motor home parking in its off street car parks is that no person should use any part of a parking place for sleeping, camping or cooking.
The policy is decided on by elected members. Scarborough Borough Council have encountered problems with motor homes parking and leaving behind rubbish and on occasions even emptying chemical toilets. The Council have had to spend large amounts of money with the associated clean up.
The Council also receive a number of complaints from traders, as alluded to in your email to Cllr Watson. It is unfortunate that a small majority of motorhome owners tarnish the reputation of others, however due to the problems encountered this policy remains in place. Members also felt that allowing overnight parking would take away income from the many camp sites in the area which cater specifically for motor homes, the council’s car parks do not have any basic facilities including running water. You may wish to browse the site below for low cost alternative campsites other than the one you refer to.Camping and Caravan Sites : Council Services for Scarborough Borough, Whitby and Filey Whilst I understand that you would have preferred a more positive response, I trust this clarifies the situation.
Yours Sincerely
Jane Wilson
Deputy Parking Manager
Scarborough Borough Council
Tel (01723) 383582
Scarborough Borough Council Homepage - Whitby | Scarborough | Filey
jezport
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I would ask for the addresses of the sites which she says are specifically for motor homes?
All types of waste is left by all visitors, any person dumping waste should be dealt with, but to pick motorhomers out and ban them is stupid.
Who fancies meeting up there this weekend :cool1::cool1::cool1:
All types of waste is left by all visitors, any person dumping waste should be dealt with, but to pick motorhomers out and ban them is stupid.
Who fancies meeting up there this weekend :cool1::cool1::cool1:
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Hi Jez
I'm actually there for a week next week with all my family, they are renting a house and i'm parking in the road:cool1:, see what happens, we aint gunna change anything, the only way they will welcome MH is when all stop going and they are begging us to come back and thats not going to happen.
Jen
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I have just sent this email:
Dear Mrs Wilson,
I have recently read that Scarborough traders are being upset by motorhomes parked on Marine Drive. Firstly I presume that it is caravan site owners who are the main complainers as they see every parked van as a lost customer. Well in reality there are a type of motorhomer who will mainly stay off sites for a few different reasons and if stopped doing so will just cross the area off their visiting list. I will list a few reasons why caravan sites are not every motor home owners choice.
Most caravan sites offer services that a motorhome owner does not require, as motorhomes have their own built in fresh and waste water systems storing enough water for a good few days, maybe even a week.
Many caravan sites force you onto expensive pitches with power etc if their regular unserviced pitches are full. Motorhomes do not need these extra services.
Many motorhome owners do not have such fixed plans as caravan owners because we are self contained. We may decide last minute that we want to go to an area and last minute the decent sites are full.
Motorhoming is a hobby that is carried out 12 months a year. Sites do not open all year.
Some motorhomers do not like being on a site where they are packed in like battery hens and then pay for the privilege.
Some motorhomers are disabled and therefore cannot walk or get around if they are denied a parking space close to the resort.
Some sites are too expensive for the services they offer motorhomes as caravans take two places for a car and a caravan but motorhomes pay the same. A Rip off
Caravanners can dump their caravan and drive into town. motorhomers cannot.
If an area persecutes motorhomers we go elsewhere, another resort, or lets not forget that most pub landlords with car parks will welcome our trade. We will not be forced to go where we don’t want to go. The idea of motorhoming is for the freedom it offers. Don’t forget that many motorhome owners are retired (as motorhomes are expensive to buy and run) and many have a high disposable income and on the other hand many people with limited incomes have chosen more frugal vans to enable them to enjoy holidays they would not otherwise afford.
Marine Drive has 1000s of spaces which are unused at night, why can the council not see the potential benefits to all of offering overnight parking to camper vans and motorhomes?
I have spent many hundreds of pounds in the resorts of Yorkshire. Yes I have used sites but mainly have parked up on a street where I am no trouble to anyone. I hope to continue to eat fish and chips and shop in Scarborough however I don’t go where I am not welcomed and I know there are hundreds of other places in the UK and Europe where my holiday £ will be appreciated.
Please let me know if I should continue to visit Scarborough so that I can let other members of the various clubs and motorhome communities know weather to cross Scarborough off their visiting list or not. That will surely not help trade! Please do not patronise me with unsubstantiated stories about motorhome owners leaving waste, as we all know that there will always be a percentage of all tourists whether in cars on foot or in vans that will always break the law, that is part of the tourist industry and there are laws to deal with it.
Kind Regards
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Dear Mrs Wilson,
I have recently read that Scarborough traders are being upset by motorhomes parked on Marine Drive. Firstly I presume that it is caravan site owners who are the main complainers as they see every parked van as a lost customer. Well in reality there are a type of motorhomer who will mainly stay off sites for a few different reasons and if stopped doing so will just cross the area off their visiting list. I will list a few reasons why caravan sites are not every motor home owners choice.
Most caravan sites offer services that a motorhome owner does not require, as motorhomes have their own built in fresh and waste water systems storing enough water for a good few days, maybe even a week.
Many caravan sites force you onto expensive pitches with power etc if their regular unserviced pitches are full. Motorhomes do not need these extra services.
Many motorhome owners do not have such fixed plans as caravan owners because we are self contained. We may decide last minute that we want to go to an area and last minute the decent sites are full.
Motorhoming is a hobby that is carried out 12 months a year. Sites do not open all year.
Some motorhomers do not like being on a site where they are packed in like battery hens and then pay for the privilege.
Some motorhomers are disabled and therefore cannot walk or get around if they are denied a parking space close to the resort.
Some sites are too expensive for the services they offer motorhomes as caravans take two places for a car and a caravan but motorhomes pay the same. A Rip off
Caravanners can dump their caravan and drive into town. motorhomers cannot.
If an area persecutes motorhomers we go elsewhere, another resort, or lets not forget that most pub landlords with car parks will welcome our trade. We will not be forced to go where we don’t want to go. The idea of motorhoming is for the freedom it offers. Don’t forget that many motorhome owners are retired (as motorhomes are expensive to buy and run) and many have a high disposable income and on the other hand many people with limited incomes have chosen more frugal vans to enable them to enjoy holidays they would not otherwise afford.
Marine Drive has 1000s of spaces which are unused at night, why can the council not see the potential benefits to all of offering overnight parking to camper vans and motorhomes?
I have spent many hundreds of pounds in the resorts of Yorkshire. Yes I have used sites but mainly have parked up on a street where I am no trouble to anyone. I hope to continue to eat fish and chips and shop in Scarborough however I don’t go where I am not welcomed and I know there are hundreds of other places in the UK and Europe where my holiday £ will be appreciated.
Please let me know if I should continue to visit Scarborough so that I can let other members of the various clubs and motorhome communities know weather to cross Scarborough off their visiting list or not. That will surely not help trade! Please do not patronise me with unsubstantiated stories about motorhome owners leaving waste, as we all know that there will always be a percentage of all tourists whether in cars on foot or in vans that will always break the law, that is part of the tourist industry and there are laws to deal with it.
Kind Regards
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kimbowbill
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Thats great Jez, i'm having a few personal family probs at mo and not able to find the right words, you have done us proud, please let us know the response
Jen
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If the weather forecast is good we are probably going over on Friday afternoon and will be wild camping, I have a serious back problem so have a blue badge, so I think they will think twice about trying to move me on.
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WELL DONE JEZ
good on you, cant wait to see his reply
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I'm with you too Jez.
Sites offer all the facilities that caravaners want, that's why they have a caravan and use these sites: as you said, motorhomers don't need all of these facilities, we all chose to spend thousands of pounds on a motorhome in order to have freedom and be self sufficient! Why would we want to pay in the region of £30 to park on a piece of grass, miles from the main resort and surrounded by genuine, party going weekenders (usually with half a dozen kids)? Been there, done that, want to move on.
We park regularly on Scarborough front: we leave no rubbish, no urine up against the wall, we pay our parking fees and we spend in the resort for
the duration of our stay.
We pay our road tax and insurance all year round and bear all the usual vehicle expenditure. I personally find it immoral that we are
being persecuted for taking trade away from sites! If they were more reasonable for motorhomers, we might consider it.
Also, if we weren't keen motorhomers, we wouldn't travel and spend every weekend in any resort!
Be honest, everyone is struggling at present and some over priced 'retailers' are struggling to survive but don't be unreasonable. I would say to
them - don't look a gift horse in the mouth' - if we are not paying £30 per night, we have more in our pockets to spend on the high street!
Mrs wilthebeast
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Hi Mrs Wilthebeast
Would you send your comments to Jane wilson, her email can be found on my post, if you have been following the thread you will see that we need as much support as poss and the more people email the bigger headache they will have, i was brushed off by Cllr Watson on to stuart clarke, he then brushed me off to Jane wilson, they really dont want to address the situation so please, send you email to her
thanks
Jen
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Email your gripes
I know it will fall on deaf ears but i think we shoiuld at least try, Jane responded to me it will be interesting to see how she will respond to others, if she does,
Jane.Wilson@scarborough.gov.uk
Jen
I know it will fall on deaf ears but i think we shoiuld at least try, Jane responded to me it will be interesting to see how she will respond to others, if she does,
Jane.Wilson@scarborough.gov.uk
Jen
duchess
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Newbie and learning fast
i have just uploaded my POI's and am ready to get started. I bought my beautiful sprinter 311 just a few weeks ago and thought nothing of using a campsite. It was expensive but the private beach was very cool and all dog friendly. The reason i am here is because i have to take all of my longer breaks during school holidays, and have soon found that it almost impossible to get a space on a campsite especially with an electric hook up. So, i panicked and thought what a waste of my savings, until a friend of a friend said just wild camp! My research has taken many hours! I am shocked really that there are not more places, just to park up and pay a few pounds, the camp sites would not suffer and the council's would make some money out of the land that they already own! I hope that wild camping goes on for a long time to come and that i enjoy it.
I think the issues are similar to dog friendly beaches, some people pick up the poo and some people don't.
Some people stop over and use facilities with repect and some don't.
The problem- we all suffer and there is nothing we can do.
hmmm sounds negative for a newbie
I hope that everything gets better in Scarborough.
i have just uploaded my POI's and am ready to get started. I bought my beautiful sprinter 311 just a few weeks ago and thought nothing of using a campsite. It was expensive but the private beach was very cool and all dog friendly. The reason i am here is because i have to take all of my longer breaks during school holidays, and have soon found that it almost impossible to get a space on a campsite especially with an electric hook up. So, i panicked and thought what a waste of my savings, until a friend of a friend said just wild camp! My research has taken many hours! I am shocked really that there are not more places, just to park up and pay a few pounds, the camp sites would not suffer and the council's would make some money out of the land that they already own! I hope that wild camping goes on for a long time to come and that i enjoy it.
I think the issues are similar to dog friendly beaches, some people pick up the poo and some people don't.
Some people stop over and use facilities with repect and some don't.
The problem- we all suffer and there is nothing we can do.
hmmm sounds negative for a newbie
I hope that everything gets better in Scarborough.
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For all of us taking an interest in this - so that's all of us - you might like to read a remarkable Australian document. It's called
The Sustainable Development of the Motorhome and Self Contained
Vehicle (MSV) Niche Market
by
The Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australia
and if I've done this right then this link should get you a copy and might give lots of ideas for use when approaching local authorities.
Austalian Paper.pdf - 4shared.com - document sharing - download
The Sustainable Development of the Motorhome and Self Contained
Vehicle (MSV) Niche Market
by
The Campervan and Motorhome Club of Australia
and if I've done this right then this link should get you a copy and might give lots of ideas for use when approaching local authorities.
Austalian Paper.pdf - 4shared.com - document sharing - download
jezport
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Interesting, I will send a link of this to Jane Wilson once I get my reply where we are told to just use sites
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the same council as just spent £100grand on permanent temporary site for p!keys to use when the seamer horse fair is on:scared::lol-053::lol-053:
p.s.yes i mean p!keys not our gypsies or travellers but the travelling scum who move about under their banner
p.s.yes i mean p!keys not our gypsies or travellers but the travelling scum who move about under their banner
jezport
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Well then a few grand on an elsan and water point would be small change for them