Self isolate

We have friends who are self isolating after their daughter went down with Covid after she visited them. When I spoke to them earlier in the week they were out walking the dog and then he was heading off out to do a few urgent bits and get some shopping. I suggested they read the Self Isolating rules but as we all know it's different for them as Archie the dog has to have a walk every day. Made me see red.
 
We have friends who are self isolating after their daughter went down with Covid after she visited them. When I spoke to them earlier in the week they were out walking the dog and then he was heading off out to do a few urgent bits and get some shopping. I suggested they read the Self Isolating rules but as we all know it's different for them as Archie the dog has to have a walk every day. Made me see red.

Thats bad. They want reporting or at least giving a stern talking to. How hard is it to sit in your house for two weeks watching flaming netflix, drinking too much and going on social media!! Come to think of it, thats what I did before covid. :D
 
I have bothered to read the link @2cv kindly posted up.

Below is the relevant extract (I think) which applies.
Perhaps 'temporary accommodation' is the only possible bit which may (or may not?) apply as a 'get out'.

The only other thing I can think of is booking onto an official campsite for the duration before entering the country, but whether the site owners would take you in as a quarantined visitor I haven't a clue.

I still think the safest thing is to head to a bricks and mortar home. It may be that the authorities actually insist on this, unless you have a valid reason for not heading home, although I'm not sure what the OP's valid reason would be in this instance, other than 'not fancying it'?

Perhaps my initial response was a little harsh, but I'm sticking with what I said. Sorry :)

I've highlighted and underlined some relevant bits, including dog walking.

Of course all of the info below is easily available to the OP with a quick search, so I'm of the opinion that the original question was possibly a wind up.
Another one of those to get folk to 'bite', in this instance myself. Why else would you ask on a public forum how you can get round quite specific regulations that apply to quarantining at this particular time?

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How to self-isolate in your accommodation
You should self-isolate in one place for the full 14 days, where you can have food and other necessities delivered, and should stay away from others unless you travelled to the UK with them. You must self-isolate at the address you provided on the public health passenger locator form.

This can include:

  • your own home
  • staying with friends or family
  • a hotel or other temporary accommodation
You should not have visitors, including friends and family, unless they are providing:

  • emergency assistance
  • care or assistance, including personal care
  • medical assistance
  • veterinary services
  • certain critical public services
You cannot go out to work or school or visit public areas. You should not go shopping. If you require help buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, you should ask friends or relatives or order a delivery.

In England, you must only exercise within your home or garden. You cannot leave your home to walk your dog. You will need to ask friends or relatives to help you with this.

NHS Volunteer Responders are also available if you need help collecting shopping, medication or would like a telephone ‘check-in and chat’. Call 0808 196 3646 (8am to 8pm) to arrange volunteer support. You can arrange one-off support, or schedule more regular help whilst you are self-isolating.

In England, you can only leave your accommodation in limited circumstances and while outside your accommodation, you should stay alert and stay safe. These include where:

  • you are travelling directly in order to leave England
  • you need urgent medical assistance (or where your doctor has advised you to get medical assistance)
  • you need urgent access to veterinary services (or on the advice of a veterinary surgeon)
  • you have exceptional circumstances (such as those described below)
  • you need to fulfil a legal obligation such as participate in legal proceedings
  • to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm
In England, you can also leave your accommodation where there are compassionate grounds such as:

  • going to the funeral of a family member or someone you live with
  • visiting a dying or critically ill family member or someone you live with
In England, you are allowed to leave your accommodation in exceptional circumstances. This includes such things as:

  • accessing basic necessities like food and medicines where you cannot arrange for these to be delivered
  • moving to a different place for self-isolation where you can no longer remain where you are
There may be other exceptional circumstances which may permit you to leave your place of self-isolation. You will need to consider carefully whether your circumstances are exceptional circumstances that require you to leave your place of self-isolation. It may be useful to seek advice from a medical or other professional to discuss your circumstances so that you can decide whether, for example, you have a health condition or a disability that would be seriously exacerbated if you were not able to leave the accommodation (and its outdoor areas) where you are self-isolating to take exercise.

You are not allowed to change the place where you are self-isolating except in very limited circumstances
, including where:

  • a legal obligation requires you to change address, such as where you are a child whose parents live separately, and you need to move between homes as part of a shared custody agreement
  • it is necessary for you to stay overnight at accommodation before travelling to the place where you will be self-isolating for the remainder of the 14 days
  • there are exceptional circumstances in which it becomes impracticable to remain at the original address
If this happens, you should provide full details of each address where you will self-isolate on the public health passenger locator form. If, in exceptional circumstances, you cannot remain where you are staying, you must complete a new form as soon as possible.
 
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We both quarantined at the start of the lockdown as we’re both vulnerable we stayed in for the duration of it and then some,we couldn’t even walk our dog for walks or go to the shops our son and daughter in law did that we were lucky we, have a garden we could go in and the fine weather or should that be glorious weather and we longed to be out in the van as did a lot of us, o how we wished it was for only two weeks but no it was about 4 months!... or was it longer!?..so for me personally I’m sure you can do two weeks I wish we only had to do two weeks
 
I was under the impression that you could walk the dog as long as you kept away from people when i got back from spain in april and the uk was locked down as well - people were renting dogs for excuse to get out of the house
 
I was under the impression that you could walk the dog as long as you kept away from people when i got back from spain in april and the uk was locked down as well - people were renting dogs for excuse to get out of the house
I think dog walking was part of the lock down restrictions, never part of quarantining. The rules are outlined perfectly in Mariesnowgoose’s post above.
 
I think dog walking was part of the lock down restrictions, never part of quarantining. The rules are outlined perfectly in Mariesnowgoose’s post above.
Probably find instructions were fairly vague when this lot kicked off back in april but with the issues it causes it is getting a lot clearer what you can and cant do.
I did only go out to walk the dog back in april first thing in the morning and last thing at night i also kept away from people while walking the dog - wrong in hindsight but not a lot i can do about it now
 
If isolating how do you get food/milk every day. 🤔
As in the post above by Mariesnowgoose....
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In England, you are allowed to leave your accommodation in exceptional circumstances.This includes such things as:

  • accessing basic necessities like food and medicines where you cannot arrange for these to be delivered
 
People here are going between households, it time to close the pubs, Wetherspoons had 50 pubs with covid.
first thoughts were how does a buiding catch covid?

do you mean theyve got staff with covid ? , or had a customer with covid?

and are we talking a full blown hospitalised person or someone who has tested positive on the ludicrously inaccurate test for traces of something but showing no symptoms whatsoever
 
first thoughts were how does a buiding catch covid?

do you mean theyve got staff with covid ? , or had a customer with covid?

and are we talking a full blown hospitalised person or someone who has tested positive on the ludicrously inaccurate test for traces of something but showing no symptoms whatsoever

50 Wetherspoons pubs have staff who have tested positive, and the positive tests included I think 75 staff and yes a building can have the covid virus for 72 ? hours
 
Probably find instructions were fairly vague when this lot kicked off back in april but with the issues it causes it is getting a lot clearer what you can and cant do.
I did only go out to walk the dog back in april first thing in the morning and last thing at night i also kept away from people while walking the dog - wrong in hindsight but not a lot i can do about it now

Well in my book you were using your common sense and not breaking 'rules' in any dangerous way, and a dog is a dog and needs exercising full stop.

Besides, it was considered more as advice back then. Mr Cummings definitely thought so ;) 😂 🙃 😵

I was specifically told to stay indoors for 3 months and only open a window for fresh air.
Do you think I obeyed those instructions? Not on yer nellie! 😝

It's all back to common sense, common sense, common sense...

But in the case of quarantine, where you are actually diagnosed with covid, or have been told to quarantine for the various reasons outlined by the govt., then I guess it's up to the individual whether they want to
a) risk potentially infecting other people by not doing so
b) risk getting caught and fined.
 
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People don't seem to understand, or care, that they are directly responsible for the spread and/or control of this virus, and we are nowhere near the end. This is very unlikely to go away unless a vaccination is found.
I'm getting pretty sick of seeing people on the news saying "the advice is confusing", do they need to be sat down 1to1 and have it explained?
Gf's uncle died of CV-19, it was his own fault, he had health issues that meant he should have quarantined, but he thought it was fine to carry on going out back at the beginning and caught it, now his widow is complaining the 'government' didn't put out strong enough warnings!
 
People don't seem to understand, or care, that they are directly responsible for the spread and/or control of this virus, and we are nowhere near the end. This is very unlikely to go away unless a vaccination is found.
I'm getting pretty sick of seeing people on the news saying "the advice is confusing", do they need to be sat down 1to1 and have it explained?
Gf's uncle died of CV-19, it was his own fault, he had health issues that meant he should have quarantined, but he thought it was fine to carry on going out back at the beginning and caught it, now his widow is complaining the 'government' didn't put out strong enough warnings!

Well, the problem is trusting people to
a) actually keep themselves up to date with what's happening
b) following the advice properly and with common sense

I'm afraid b) is always going to be extremely dodgy, so unless the guidance becomes rules and is enforced with fines or whatever then the arguments will go round and round in circles.

I certainly don't want to see heavier restrictions and fines coming in. You're relying mostly on people's good will and compliance.
Think there are more in this category than the ones who are stupid or just don't care.

And don't forget we are trying to contain an escaped genie, so virtually impossible to contain in the current situation.
At least without a vaccine/working treatment or a fully functional and reliable track & trace system.

Lockdown is an extremely crude (albeit seemingly effective) way of containing the spread, but only as long a lockdown persists.
Certainly seems that way now.
 
11 this morning is going to be an announcement on TV, the next steps to lockdown. (y)
 

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