Self isolate

I’m not sure the UK lockdown was a proper lockdown, more of a challenge for people to get round it. There were no proper rules but the rules which were laid down were open to interpretation and those that did try to interpret it as it was intended, were criticised ( e.g. police using drones to watch people obviously breaking restrictions, etc)
In France, we had a much stricter lockdown, but we are still seeing a huge rise in infection rates again, and it seems to be the same in many countries.
I think the problem is that people seem to think it’s all over and are acting as normal again, allowing the virus to spread as it did pre lockdown, though, at the moment, it appears that the younger age group don’t seem to be affected as much as the older groups at the beginning.
I don’t have an answer, it’s just an observation.
We try to keep away from other people. We don’t eat out, we don’t go to pubs and bars, we have most of our shopping delivered or we click and collect and if we have to get into a situation where we come into contact with other people, we wear masks and obsessively sanitise and wash hands.
 
Having just watched the latest briefing I liked the bit about personal risk. If you take risks you are affecting yourself & those around you, this then affects those who come into contact with those around them etc. etc. There is no such thing as personal risk with a pandemic.
 
There was nothing about the next steps really, just the number of cases are increasing.

The local infant and junior is closed today for a deep clean because there have been a number of confirmed covid cases.
 
As Harrow posts..When do we get the PM with the new rules/guidance....Should be later today !
 
harrow said:
There was nothing about the next steps really, just the number of cases are increasing.

The local infant and junior is closed today for a deep clean because there have been a number of confirmed covid cases.
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The scientists are leaving that one for Boris, he faces an ever more precarious tight rope, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't .....
 
Sharon the Cat said:
Having just watched the latest briefing I liked the bit about personal risk. If you take risks you are affecting yourself & those around you, this then affects those who come into contact with those around them etc. etc. There is no such thing as personal risk with a pandemic.
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It's assessing the risk in every situation when you have to go out and about that is the fundamental problem.

If my experience of going - legitimately and legally - into a pub a couple of weeks ago for the first time since lockdown, then I can tell you that the risks are too high. I protected myself and the small 3-person party I was with by being alert and carrying all the necessary kit we needed to protect ourselves. I'm certain the majority of sensible people on here are doing exactly the same thing.

Unless you know 100% beforehand that the pub owners are following strict and sensible methods of dealing with both their premises and members of the public visiting them it is a risk not worth taking, imho.

How is anyone (in 'authority') going about monitoring how well each business or establishment, pub or not, is applying safety precautions?
I seriously doubt that local authorities are on top of this problem yet - and it is a genuine problem - or if it's likely they ever will be.
 
The hand gel at the supermarkets is a bit hit or miss but Morrisons had the real stuff this morning, it makes my hands tingle :D
 
mark61 said:
Dusting off me two massive pressure cookers (thanks mum) bit of shopping to do and I’m stocking up on tomato soup and chicken soup.
Guessing this lockdown won’t be as easy as the last.
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They are saying we wont return to the full blown lock down of last time. Whether that is what happens or not who knows? The key thing being hammered home is we all have to do our bit which is why I found it encouraging that the OP was firmly advised to just go home and "do the time"! The more the message gets home that its down to us to fix this as much as the government the better.

I would go a step further if I was the PM or the scientists and put the fear of God up everyone with massive fines for anyone caught breaking the rules. Draconian perhaps but necessary. Some sacrifices will have to be made and that might well be socialising and pubs etc. The next six months are going to be a bit grim but we have to face it and just do the right thing and follow the rules religiously.
 
Yup.

Think everyone was dazed and confused by what hit us during the run up to and then the whole experience of lockdown.

This time round we all have some idea of what to expect, as unpleasant as that might be, so just need to resign ourselves, grit the old teeth and carry on regardless. Oh, and keep helping each other out if we can, when and wherever possible (y)

Not really much choice, is there?
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Yup.

Think everyone was dazed and confused by what hit us during the run up to and then the whole experience of lockdown.

This time round we all have some idea of what to expect, as unpleasant as that might be, so just need to resign ourselves, grit the old teeth and carry on regardless. Oh, and keep helping each other out if we can, when and wherever possible (y)

Not really much choice, is there?
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No. We Just have to get on with it! Ill get shot for this but I quite enjoyed full lock down here. Out in the country lanes, just nothing but bird song. No people, cars, planes nothing. I dont like what it did to my savings and investments though. :( I get the thing about balancing the economy as the long term effects health wise for those whos lives are ruined by a crashed economy could be catastrophic.
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Yup.

Think everyone was dazed and confused by what hit us during the run up to and then the whole experience of lockdown.

This time round we all have some idea of what to expect, as unpleasant as that might be, so just need to resign ourselves, grit the old teeth and carry on regardless. Oh, and keep helping each other out if we can, when and wherever possible (y)

Not really much choice, is there?
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And you can't get episode of dads army every week, times are hard, rationing :)
 
ricc said:
first thoughts were how does a buiding catch covid?

do you mean theyve got staff with covid ? , or had a customer with covid?

and are we talking a full blown hospitalised person or someone who has tested positive on the ludicrously inaccurate test for traces of something but showing no symptoms whatsoever
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Showing symptoms or not is totally irrelevant - no-one shows symptoms when they first catch the virus and some never do. The simple fact is, when someone has the virus they can pass it on to others. The reaction to it - ie asymptomatic, very mild illness, hospitalisation or death - is down to the individual body lottery. Joe Bloggs in Weatherspoons might not get so much as a cough but the couple sitting near him and the guys he shared a joke with at the bar could all end up dead. If we're ever going to get shot of this and get back to normal, each and every one of us needs to stop whingeing, stop looking for excuses and loopholes and just knuckle down to become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
 
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