Campaign for Real Aires - CAMpRA

[prioryi]

Lidl in Fort William allow overnighting

 

[mariesnowgoose]

My two pennorth (for what it's worth, probably nowt!) is that the ongoing impact of C-19 possibly gives the campervanning community one of the best opportunities we have ever had of pushing forward with a campaign like this in the UK.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained?

There are benefits to be had all round for both service suppliers and service users.
Eyes and minds need to be prised open. It needs a strong, persuasive sales pitch.

Here's a thought: have we got any rich members with the right contacts who could lobby government for us all?!

Will have a go at a bit of campaign letter posting/emailing myself soon as I get chance.
I'll use the template letters already composed by others as a starting point, folk with the knowledge who are good at phrasing things to get the message across and make the most impact. Fingers crossed!

 

[mikejay]

Lol think I just got banned and blocked from the page only posted a screenshot from another motorhome group on fb of a trailer tent and load of crap left at Fleetwood central carpark the one the council has allowed overnight stops on.

Mike

 

[caledonia]

Lidl in Fort William allow overnighting

Why would you want to stay overnight in a Lidl Carpark?

 

[peter palance]

Freeloaders?

if and i say if, take good look,at a free council free loader, how much wages and better still ,expences, and has the balls to call us,his inner status,is full of his own
cr--. the smell for him is exceptional egotism, must over load, his ass ten fold. i am surprised the shops and general resturants have not kicked his shity ass. ok.pj

 

[martinmartin]

if and i say if, take good look,at a free council free loader, how much wages and better still ,expences, and has the balls to call us,his inner status,is full of his own
cr--. the smell for him is exceptional egotism, must over load, his ass
ten fold. i am surprised the shops and general resturants have not kicked his shity ass. ok.pj

A ten fold ass,he wasn't that guy from my six hundred pound life was he.

 

[Biggarmac]

Lol think I just got banned and blocked from the page only posted a screenshot from another motorhome group on fb of a trailer tent and load of crap left at Fleetwood central carpark the one the council has allowed overnight stops on.

Mike

The point of the campaign group is to promote the development of aires. Posting about why we need them is not aiding the campaign.

 

[mikejay]

The point of the campaign group is to promote the development of aires. Posting about why we need them is not aiding the campaign.

My post was nothing about why we need them it was a screen shot of a abandoned trailer tent and lots of crap left at the fleetwood aire. And i was trying to get across the attitude of other motorhome owners who thought the trailer tent and crap left was not a problem. 50% of the posters thought it acceptable for crap to be left all over a car park that the council has designated as an aire. And that is the mentally that seems to be growing but anyway I got deleted and blocked with no explanation.

 

[Fisherman]

My post was nothing about why we need them it was a screen shot of a abandoned trailer tent and lots of crap left at the fleetwood aire. And i was trying to get across the attitude of other motorhome owners who thought the trailer tent and crap left was not a problem. 50% of the posters thought it acceptable for crap to be left all over a car park that the council has designated as an aire. And that is the mentally that seems to be growing but anyway I got deleted and blocked with no explanation.

If I am reading your post correctly, you seem to be stating that 50% of Motorhome owners reckon it’s ok to to leave crap and that this is not a problem. Even if 50% did think this, and I find that astonishing as I have never met one, I am amazed that they would publicly state so. Every Motorhome owner on here would be appalled at such behaviour, and any I have spoken to out and about feel the same. I have never read a post on here were someone reckons that leaving crap in a car Park is ok. All I have read are posts condemning such selfish behaviour, and a willingness of the posters to remove such crap themselves left by other non Motorhome owners.

 

[antiquesam]

My post was nothing about why we need them it was a screen shot of a abandoned trailer tent and lots of crap left at the fleetwood aire. And i was trying to get across the attitude of other motorhome owners who thought the trailer tent and crap left was not a problem. 50% of the posters thought it acceptable for crap to be left all over a car park that the council has designated as an aire. And that is the mentally that seems to be growing but anyway I got deleted and blocked with no explanation.

Join the elite clan of those blackballed by this elitist group of yuppies.

 

[mikejay]

If I am reading your post correctly, you seem to be stating that 50% of Motorhome owners reckon it’s ok to to leave crap and that this is not a problem. Even if 50% did think this, and I find that astonishing as I have never met one, I am amazed that they would publicly state so. Every Motorhome owner on here would be appalled at such behaviour, and any I have spoken to out and about feel the same. I have never read a post on here were someone reckons that leaving crap in a car Park is ok. All I have read are posts condemning such selfish behaviour, and a willingness of the posters to remove such crap themselves left by other non Motorhome owners.

The picture was on a fb group that has 59k members. The guy who posted the pic and message about the crap was attacked verbally and called all kinds. By at least 50% of people responding to the post and 50% backing him up. Obviously not every member on the group responded and not every member thought it was ok. But it was rather worrying that so many mixed age from young to old gave the guy that much flack he deleted his post. Members from the same group organised a meet a few years ago at the model boating lake in fleetwood and posted pictures of themselves taking up the whole car park. So the model club could not get on there own car park. This act if I remember made local press and that overnight spot was lost. And yes I know it is not the whole 59k of the said group that are irresponsible just a few and I am not anti that group I was trying to highlight what people trying to get uk aires are up against.

Mike

 

[Fisherman]

The picture was on a fb group that has 59k members. The guy who posted the pic and message about the crap was attacked verbally and called all kinds. By at least 50% of people responding to the post and 50% backing him up. Obviously not every member on the group responded and not every member thought it was ok. But it was rather worrying that so many mixed age from young to old gave the guy that much flack he deleted his post. Members from the same group organised a meet a few years ago at the model boating lake in fleetwood and posted pictures of themselves taking up the whole car park. So the model club could not get on there own car park. This act if I remember made local press and that overnight spot was lost. And yes I know it is not the whole 59k of the said group that are irresponsible just a few and I am not anti that group I was trying to highlight what people trying to get uk aires are up against.

Mike

Thanks for that Mike that clears things up.
Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere.
This is exactly why I dislike fb and forums on it.
I used to post on a fire service forum on fb, but stopped doing so for these reasons. I support what they are trying to do, but I don’t do fb anymore.
Thanks again Mike.

 

[mickymost]

The picture was on a fb group that has 59k members. The guy who posted the pic and message about the crap was attacked verbally and called all kinds. By at least 50% of people responding to the post and 50% backing him up. Obviously not every member on the group responded and not every member thought it was ok. But it was rather worrying that so many mixed age from young to old gave the guy that much flack he deleted his post. Members from the same group organised a meet a few years ago at the model boating lake in fleetwood and posted pictures of themselves taking up the whole car park. So the model club could not get on there own car park. This act if I remember made local press and that overnight spot was lost. And yes I know it is not the whole 59k of the said group that are irresponsible just a few and I am not anti that group I was trying to highlight what people trying to get uk aires are up against.

Mike

Just as an observation on your post above I dont agree with motorhomers filling a Carpark in Fleetwood which obviously would cause anger to others but you said they were on the Model Boating lakes hobbyists own car park.Correct me if im wrong but doesnt this car park belong to the council so in use to anyone including Campervans/Motorhomes.Or have the Model Boaters purchased it for their sole use Lock Stock and Barrel.I somehow doubt it as the council would not sell off a Car park on the seafront.

 

[maureenandtom]

If I am reading your post correctly, you seem to be stating that 50% of Motorhome owners reckon it’s ok to to leave crap and that this is not a problem. Even if 50% did think this, and I find that astonishing as I have never met one, I am amazed that they would publicly state so. Every Motorhome owner on here would be appalled at such behaviour, and any I have spoken to out and about feel the same. I have never read a post on here were someone reckons that leaving crap in a car Park is ok. All I have read are posts condemning such selfish behaviour, and a willingness of the posters to remove such crap themselves left by other non Motorhome owners.

I can raise your 50% and point to a 90% claim. Councillor Louise Parkin said nine out of ten of us dump our rubbish on the street.

Anger over motor home owners who dump their 'effluence' on the Burnham Explanade

The owners of motor homes have been causing anti-social problems in Burnham said Cllr Miss Louise Parkin at this week’s town council meeting.

www.burnhamandhighbridgeweeklynews.co.uk

There were no complaints recorded by any of three councils who might have been involved and I felt a bit sorry for Louise. She's the owner of the town's primary tourist attraction and I think she was feeling hard times and she took back her allegations. To me though not as far as I know, publicly.

But = 90% of us?

EDIT: The comments at the foot of the newpaper article are interesting.

 

[mikejay]

Just as an observation on your post above I dont agree with motorhomers filling a Carpark in Fleetwood which obviously would cause anger to others but you said they were on the Model Boating lakes hobbyists own car park.Correct me if im wrong but doesnt this car park belong to the council so in use to anyone including Campervans/Motorhomes.Or have the Model Boaters purchased it for their sole use Lock Stock and Barrel.I somehow doubt it as the council would not sell off a Car park on the seafront.

No idea all I know is it was a good overnight spot for many years not an official spot but if you arrived late and left early no one bothered. Then a group of individuals in motorhomes had a mini meet there one weekend filling the whole car park with vans and setting up camp. The next thing that happened is a big sign went up banning overnighting on the car park with fines in place. I would guess yes it is council owned and anyone can still park on there but now you will be fined if you stop overnight. Just found the original post when the boating lake got the sign https://wildcamping.co.uk/threads/bye-bye-fleetwood-model-car-park.45343/


Mike

 

[Fisherman]

Just as an observation on your post above I dont agree with motorhomers filling a Carpark in Fleetwood which obviously would cause anger to others but you said they were on the Model Boating lakes hobbyists own car park.Correct me if im wrong but doesnt this car park belong to the council so in use to anyone including Campervans/Motorhomes.Or have the Model Boaters purchased it for their sole use Lock Stock and Barrel.I somehow doubt it as the council would not sell off a Car park on the seafront.

I completely agree that Motorhomes have as much right to fill a car Park as cars do. No one takes any notice of a carpark full of cars, but a car park full of Motorhomes well that’s a different story.

But what should happen is limitations of possibly 10-20% of spaces in certain locations should be allocated to Motorhomes. That way the car park should always remain mainly for cars rather than us, and we still have access to the carpark. But I reckon organising large meets in public carparks is a bad idea. Such meets should not take place in such locations.

 

[Fisherman]

At last, someone talking sense.

Outdoors legend McNeish says don't blame campers and motorhomes for all the litter problems - The Oban Times

The problems prompted a conference telephone summit last week, hosted by Fergus Ewing, Cabinet Secretary for the Rural Economy and Tourism, which involved representatives from local community councils and organisations along the Road to the Isles, and which was organised by local MSP Kate Forbes.

www.obantimes.co.uk

Read his article a few weeks ago Terry.
I can honestly say it’s the first time I have read an article about us and felt really good after reading it.
Its just a shame that the big two don’t do likewise and defend their members interests in this way. Their sole interest seems the bottom line.
But I have recently been to three C&MC sites and in two of them Motorhomes outnumbered caravans. In Buxton it was about 2/3rds Motorhomes. I reckon they will have to rethink soon.

So well done Hamish.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I completely agree that Motorhomes have as much right to fill a car Park as cars do. No one takes any notice of a carpark full of cars, but a car park full of Motorhomes well that’s a different story.

But what should happen is limitations of possibly 10-20% of spaces in certain locations should be allocated to Motorhomes. That way the car park should always remain mainly for cars rather than us, and we still have access to the carpark. But I reckon organising large meets in public carparks is a bad idea. Such meets should not take place in such locations.

That's a sweeping statement and I would argue that it very much depends on where the car park is, who controls it and how you go about it.

We've had one or two meets in the past in public car parks. They are not ideal, btw, but they suited our particular purpose at the time.

More importantly, they were pre-arranged with the relevant authorities/owners. We didn't just turn up willy-nilly and set up camp!

All 'meet' arrangements require a fair whack of logic, common sense and, in particular, a good dose of PR and common courtesy.

All the folk on this forum and sister sites who organise meets do a fab job on this front

 

[Fisherman]

That's a sweeping statement and I would argue that it very much depends on where the car park is, who controls it and how you go about it.

We've had one or two meets in the past in public car parks. They are not ideal, btw, but they suited our particular purpose at the time.

More importantly, they were pre-arranged with the relevant authorities/owners. We didn't just turn up willy-nilly and set up camp!

All 'meet' arrangements require a fair whack of logic, common sense and, in particular, a good dose of PR and common courtesy.

All the folk on this forum and sister sites who organise meets do a fab job on this front

Marie never having attended such a meet, you have me there.
But recently I know that meets were planned at the green frog in Moffat, and at Lochore in Fife. The problem with a public carpark is not knowing what the demand will be for the car park for the dates proposed. Three years ago we were in Arrochar. We were alone in a 100 odd place carpark that night. Next day the locals had organised a 10k run. When we got back from our hill walk the place was manic. I may have stepped over the mark, but I reckon it’s better to avoid public carparks, when private sites are available at little cost, that way we don’t upset anyone.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Marie never having attended such a meet, you have me there.
But recently I know that meets were planned at the green frog in Moffat, and at Lochore in Fife. The problem with a public carpark is not knowing what the demand will be for the car park for the dates proposed. Three years ago we were in Arrochar. We were alone in a 100 odd place carpark that night. Next day the locals had organised a 10k run. When we got back from our hill walk the place was manic. I may have stepped over the mark, but I reckon it’s better to avoid public carparks, when private sites are available at little cost, that way we don’t upset anyone.

Like I said in previous post, it wasn't necessarily ideal but it was convenient and suited our purpose at the time.
There wasn't a convenient private site available in the specific area at the time, hence these sort of meets are usually a second-best compromise, or a 'needs must' if you like.

Any meets I might have attended in the past in public car parks were above board and pre-arranged.

The car parks also generated revenue for the owners as we all paid whatever the normal rates were for parking there

The Green Frog has a massive outside area and very much welcomes the business that the meets generate.
The Laird has been organising successful meets there for some time now, never any problems.
It is also an ideal spot for exploring the surrounding area and is short walking distance from all the delights of Moffat, which is a cracking wee town