Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

Fazerloz said:
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petrols are available just a more limited choice. There are plenty of American RVs with petrol engines.
Not so long ago they told us petrol was burning a big hole in the ozone,did quickfit go up and patch it.😂😂😂
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Fisherman said:
Sorry but I have a Motorhome not a camper van.
I have just quickly scoured through this months MMM and I cannot see even one petrol or LPG powered Motorhome. Every Motorhome is powered by various Diesel engines. Also when choosing a Motorhome like most our priority is the habitation area and not the engine. I would have preferred a Mercedes engine in my current Motorhome, but the choice was limited to fiat Ducatto. So even if you can show me a single petrol or lpg powered Motorhome, I doubt if it would meet our needs.
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How many do you want. I am sure some of these are petrol/LPG. and might have a layout you could put up with.

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Fazerloz said:
How many do you want. I am sure some of these are petrol/LPG. and might have a layout you could put up with.

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I have a 6m Motorhome not a small house on wheels giving 4mpg.
These American RVs are far more harmful to our planet than what I am driving.
Also I don’t fancy driving something that size on our roads.
You are proposing that I drive a vehicle that returns only 4mpg against the one I currently have producing 30mpg. How is this better for the planet.
I got the figure of 4mpg from a FloridIan who owned one.
 
trevskoda said:
The truth is we cannot find a easy fix for the problem and im 100% sure the gov dont give a monkeys as long as there filling the pockets of commerce.
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Off course it’s not easy Trev, it may not even prove to be possible.
Governments have been dragging their heels on this for decades.
But things are starting to change.
But we may be to late, time will tell.
 
Fisherman said:
I have a 6m Motorhome not a small house on wheels giving 4mpg.
These American RVs are far more harmful to our planet than what I am driving.
Also I don’t fancy driving something that size on our roads.
You are proposing that I drive a vehicle that returns only 4mpg against the one I currently have producing 30mpg. How is this better for the planet.
I got the figure of 4mpg from a FloridIan who owned one.
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You seem to have spent plenty of time researching the destruction of the planet, do a little more on what is actually available to you MH wise. They are not all coach size and 4mpg.
You can get them based on merc, ford, chevy vans with petrol engines. You are not looking hard enough.
 
Sorted, But dont use it in these winds :eek:
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Fazerloz said:
You seem to have spent plenty of time researching the destruction of the planet, do a little more on what is actually available to you MH wise. They are not all coach size and 4mpg.
You can get them based on merc, ford, chevy vans with petrol engines. You are not looking hard enough.
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I spent two years researching before buying my current Motorhome.
I never saw one petrol, not one.
But if I did, why buy petrol when it produces more CO2 than diesel.
Sorry Fazerloz but petrol is not an option when trying to prevent global warming.
 
I don’t support what governments are doing right now, no way.
Our government has removed all of the assistance offered to those who fit solar panels to their homes. They are charging punitive taxes on the cleanest diesels ever produced (6d) whilst keeping lower road tax on older more polluting and and cars. They are reducing assistance to people buying electric vehicles. Much of what they are doing makes no sense.
Currently the uk government receives around £45 billion from motorists.
They will have to replace this with other forms of tax.
Also this is a planetary issue, we need a worldwide joined up response, not one country doing one thing whilst another is removing its Forrests ate their rate of a football pitch every five minutes. In the last five years an area the size of Scotland has been removed from the Amazon Forrest. Utter madness when we are being asked to make sacrifices in our way of life.
 
channa said:
That is the absolute commitment we need by government to shift mindsets.

Electric ranges etc are improving alternative sustainable fuels less damaging to the environment the technology is gaining traction .

A timely point to remind ourselves , there was a man who failed close to a thousand times developing a product , when asked how it felt to fail a thousand times , he shrugged and rephrased I haven’t failed simply discovered a thousand ways that didn’t work (that’s mindset) he eventually got it right and I bet most have used one today...Thomas Edison’s lightbulb
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In real life usage a 3.5tonne diesel vehicle will do low 30s mpg same class of vehicle with petrol engine will be in the low teens. It will use double the amount of fuel nobody can seriously argue with that. I've yet to see anyone claiming that petrol is half as bad for the planet as diesel gallon for gallon.

Claims that one fuel is less polluting than another are meaningless unless you specify which pollutant you are measuring and give full details of how the tests were done....


I've always gone with the gut feeling that the fuel you use least of is in real life the least polluting overall, and for my motor vehicle usage that is diesel.
 
ricc said:
In real life usage a 3.5tonne diesel vehicle will do low 30s mpg same class of vehicle with petrol engine will be in the low teens. It will use double the amount of fuel nobody can seriously argue with that. I've yet to see anyone claiming that petrol is half as bad for the planet as diesel gallon for gallon.

Claims that one fuel is less polluting than another are meaningless unless you specify which pollutant you are measuring and give full details of how the tests were done....


I've always gone with the gut feeling that the fuel you use least of is in real life the least polluting overall, and for my motor vehicle usage that is diesel.
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Ricc with Regards to CO2 clearly petrol produces more than Diesel.
This is a generic fact, not based on individual tests for specific vehicles.
Its generally accepted that due to Diesel engines producing more torque than petrol engines the difference increases with the weight of the vehicle. Regarding 3.5 t Motorhomes this difference can be as much as 40%. You yourself correctly showed the large disparity between petrol and diesel mpg on a 3.5 t chassis.
 
Rather than oil mining for cars :) or copper for wires, or wood for tables, or man made plastics to kill the dolphins.

Everything has to come from somewhere. hundreds of millions of years ago this planet was just rock, and water, Thats it nothing else.

I find it fascinating that the fact Im even typing on this plastic keyboard or using a car, telephone, wearing clothes blah blah, when in reality our only ingredients started with rock, and water, then came organisms, plants,trees, iron from the rocks etc to where we are today. just amazes me.

But yes either way we are stripping the earth, whether thats a good thing or not is debatelable
 
landoboguy said:
Rather than oil mining for cars :) or copper for wires, or wood for tables, or man made plastics to kill the dolphins.

Everything has to come from somewhere. hundreds of millions of years ago this planet was just rock, and water, Thats it nothing else.

I find it fascinating that the fact Im even typing on this plastic keyboard or using a car, telephone, wearing clothes blah blah, when in reality our only ingredients started with rock, and water, then came organisms, plants,trees, iron from the rocks etc to where we are today. just amazes me.

But yes either way we are stripping the earth, whether thats a good thing or not is debatelable
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We will eventually have to strip other planets and the moon.
But we better not use diesel or we will create lunar or Martian warming ;)
 
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