Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

Fisherman said:
So the data provided by everyone else is not real, only those who don't believe in global warming provide real data. interesting.
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Why is the data provided by alarmist ‘scientists’ adjusted to suit what they want? If their data doesn’t fit the problem then it is adjusted to fit. Over the last twenty years even with more Co2 being outputted global temperatures have not increased except in climate models.
If a lie is told often enough it gets believed. Believe what you want but look objectively at ALL sides. I have and do not want to ruin my country by following the likes of Greenpeace and the totally biased BBC.
 
Owlhouse said:
Why is the data provided by alarmist ‘scientists’ adjusted to suit what they want? If their data doesn’t fit the problem then it is adjusted to fit. Over the last twenty years even with more Co2 being outputted global temperatures have not increased except in climate models.
If a lie is told often enough it gets believed. Believe what you want but look objectively at ALL sides. I have and do not want to ruin my country by following the likes of Greenpeace and the totally biased BBC.
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Alarmist scientists ? you think they want global warming.:unsure: Nobody wants global warming. Well almost nobody.
Everyone claims the BBC are biased, but what have they got to do with global warming.
All they do is report what is given to them. they don't make scientific judgments.
Global temperatures have increased over the last 20 years.
But I suppose you will put that down to adjustment to the figures, and or wrongly and bias reporting from the BBC.
 
I can always buy a car in the irish republic and import it or get a southern base to reg it.
 
Fazerloz said:
Exactly Like say World Nature Organization, the International Union for Conservation of Nature, the Global Environment Facility, and the Earth System Governance Project.
All have there own view on it. For every argument there is a counter argument and to carry on as we are is a option whether you like it or not. Once those in control of money find a way of making more money out of change, then it will happen. Just like our own government trying to control things by using tax.
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Fisherman said:
All of these bodies you quote are legitimate organisations who have an interest in preserving our planet for future generations. Unlike the companies I quoted none of them have a financial or business interest in their campaigns for a better environment.
As for those in control of money, I think you are referring to our government.
Its estimated that the cost to this country reaching its zero emissions target by 2050 is between 1-1.5 TRILLION pounds.
Money they will have to generate, not a way for them to make money.

UK net zero emissions target will ‘cost more than £1tn’

Chancellor warns May's ambitious emissions plans will hurt public spending
www.ft.com www.ft.com

You state that doing nothing is an option, then you have to be 100% certain that you are right, I am not 100% certain I am right. Because if you are wrong, we are doomed.

As for wether I like this or not, sorry but that’s irrelevant.
Personally speaking I would much prefer that you are right and I am wrong.
Thats what I would like.
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Fisherman said:
All of these bodies you quote are legitimate organisations who have an interest in preserving our planet for future generations. Unlike the companies I quoted none of them have a financial or business interest in their campaigns for a better environment.
As for those in control of money, I think you are referring to our government.
Its estimated that the cost to this country reaching its zero emissions target by 2050 is between 1-1.5 TRILLION pounds.
Money they will have to generate, not a way for them to make money.

UK net zero emissions target will ‘cost more than £1tn’

Chancellor warns May's ambitious emissions plans will hurt public spending
www.ft.com www.ft.com

You state that doing nothing is an option, then you have to be 100% certain that you are right, I am not 100% certain I am right. Because if you are wrong, we are doomed.

As for wether I like this or not, sorry but that’s irrelevant.
Personally speaking I would much prefer that you are right and I am wrong.
Thats what I would like.
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Yes they are legitimate organisations just like oil companies are. All of those bodies control massive amounts of money and actively seek more money. In reality they are just businesses with a equally vested interest in the outcome of their research just like oil companies. Only they use fear to a large extent to extract money. The planet is doomed.
No its not. it will still be here.
I am not talking about Governments they are just puppets that have their strings pulled by big business. Ultimately the money to pay for this comes out of our pockets not the government. Governments produce nothing of value.
Government=we need such and such done
Business= we will do it for x+y
Gov = OK
Business = Sorry now x+y+z
Gov =Tip the public upside down and give them a shake see what falls out of their pockets.
Business= Thank you.
= Big profit for business
The fat cats get fatter and no doubt so do some members of government.
Who told us to scrap our petrol engines buy diesel. They are far better for the environment. :unsure: and people bought into it. A very successful way of generating tax.
Lets increase the LEZ more tax ,yeah that will make things better. Now we can build another runway that will pollute more than all the cars in London. You couldn't make it up.
You are right though to do nothing we are all doomed, but there again to do something we are all doomed, from the moment of conception we are all doomed.
Until all the major big polluting countries get on board all we are doing is pi-sing in the wind.

A simple question. IF you are so concerned for your children and grand children why are you still running a diesel engine. Does your conscience hurt every time you turn the key knowing you are further destroying the planet for them.
 
NeilyG said:
Personally, I think it will prove to be another 'fad' that turns out to cause more problems than it solves. How do they expect to produce enough electricity to power all vehicles when they're soon going to have enough trouble supplying homes, businesses etc.? (due to no new power stations being built.)

Surely, to have any chance they would have to cover just about EVERY tract of land with wind farms, solar panels and leave nothing left for wildlife, trees etc. And the supply would only be intermittent & weather dependant, as the logistics for energy storage have yet to be overcome. Just how does anyone imagine it can work? The only viable option that many environmentalists are now coming round to is to go NUCLEAR - & we would have to start building them right now!

Seems a bit of a joke to see how they can achieve this - just another 'soundbite'. Most attempts to deal with 'climate emergency' will turn out to do more harm than good.
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When I was younger like many in the 60s Nuclear seemed to be a great idea, but nearly 60 years later we still haven't got a long term safe solution to all the sh... that the industry has produced so far...or found a way to guarantee that unstable earth, sea or politics won’t find a way of spreading it around in rather inconvenient and somewhat unhealthy ways...not sure it’s a legacy I feel comfortable leaving for my descendants.
 
landoboguy said:
Tesla being delivered 11th :)
may aswell give this leccy thingymubob a go
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My sister was just telling me yesterday that a friend of hers has got himself an electric Jaguar i-pace.

This is a man who has only every driven land rovers and whose business for most of his life was servicing and maintaining 4x4s.

Needless to say she took the mickey out of him something rotten - his scruffy dress will never match the car 😂 - but he's a man who has always done his research with new technology and has nearly always proven to be ahead of the game.

I would try an electric car or motorhome - if I could ever afford one! And there's the rub... 🙂
 
Asterix said:
I'd love to take one for a spin,which one did you go for?
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Went for the models S Asterix. P90d. It's bad news on take off in ludicrous mode... Seriously. But the real reason is I was looking at another guzzler and thought if I worked out the fuel plus the almost 500 per year saving on road tax congestion charges etc it's actually a good buy. Then the resale value as they hold OK it just made sense.

Got to have the charger installed at the house with the olev grant Monday. It's early days but I can't help thinking we won't own another fossil fuel motor again. 2 people at my works are collecting electric cars in the next month 2.one is a leaf and one's the jag I pace.
 
mariesnowgoose said:
My sister was just telling me yesterday that a friend of hers has got himself an electric Jaguar i-pace.

This is a man who has only every driven land rovers and whose business for most of his life was servicing and maintaining 4x4s.

Needless to say she took the mickey out of him something rotten - his scruffy dress will never match the car 😂 - but he's a man who has always done his research with new technology and has nearly always proven to be ahead of the game.

I would try an electric car or motorhome - if I could ever afford one! And there's the rub... 🙂
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I almost went for the I pace Marie as I'm getting rid of an F Pace they are smart. Just felt this was for me a little more.
Like your sisters fella u mentioned I've been a 4 x 4 guy for years so we shall see.

But I'm looking forward to going to bed and waking up with a full tank after plugging in. Only time will tell so let's see.
 
Robmac said:
Interesting article here;

www.theatlantic.com

The Amazon Is Not Earth’s Lungs

Humans could burn every living thing on the planet and still not dent its oxygen supply.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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Interesting article Rob, vertainly squashes some of
landoboguy said:
Went for the models S Asterix. P90d. It's bad news on take off in ludicrous mode... Seriously. But the real reason is I was looking at another guzzler and thought if I worked out the fuel plus the almost 500 per year saving on road tax congestion charges etc it's actually a good buy. Then the resale value as they hold OK it just made sense.

Got to have the charger installed at the house with the olev grant Monday. It's early days but I can't help thinking we won't own another fossil fuel motor again. 2 people at my works are collecting electric cars in the next month 2.one is a leaf and one's the jag I pace.
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Does it have the supercharged enabled mode? 0-60 in 2.5 seconds is pants changingly fast. If money was no object it would be a Tesla for me too, I love the styling, the speed and the price is a lot less than some super fast sports car.
A four year old, 39k on clock, supercharged Tesla currently on Ebay for £50k. Now, what's all this crowd funding malarkey about? ;)
 
Fazerloz said:
A simple question. IF you are so concerned for your children and grand children why are you still running a diesel engine. Does your conscience hurt every time you turn the key knowing you are further destroying the planet for them.
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Like all parents and grandparents I am always concerned for my children and my grandchildren, I find it strange that you highlighted the word if in that sentence. You mention that I use a Diesel engine in my Motorhome, like Just about everyone else on here I do so because presently nothing else is available, but if at some point in the future electric Motorhomes become viable and available within my budget, I would buy one. But at my age I doubt if that will be possible. But I am very much considering an electric car in 2021.
You could have mentioned turning on my gas central heating, eating red meat, buying hardwood furniture, use of plastics everyday, flying abroad, taking a bus or train, over use of electricity, extending the worlds population by having these children in the first place, the list goes on and on.
I am not 100% sure about global warming, but it seems you are.
For me the risks are to great to simply dismiss and ignore, or to become paranoid about the intentions of others.
 
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