Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

[ricc]

swapping vehicles .... isnt that leasing? just swopping a bit sooner than with a traditional 3 year lease.

only problem is the cost... at the moment leasing a internal combustion car costs what 250 a month .... we tend to buy arround the thousand pound mark, maintenance inc mot is usually below 500 a year, .... its rare a banger is scrapped at less than 3 years with us....daughters pug 306 has been in the family over 10 years now.... so max cost of her car is 600 quid a year, ( A lot less when it sails through the mot.)...what can i lease for 50 quid a month?...salesman goes very quiet

as far as im concerned old bangers are the cheapest way to stay on the road.... ill do the green thing by not driving unnecessarily.

even if it means me doing the supermarket shopping on the same 20 mile round trip as viewing the local fortnightly auction rather than sending the wife seperatly.

 

[Martin P]

swapping vehicles .... isnt that leasing? just swopping a bit sooner than with a traditional 3 year lease.

only problem is the cost... at the moment leasing a internal combustion car costs what 250 a month .... we tend to buy arround the thousand pound mark, maintenance inc mot is usually below 500 a year, .... its rare a banger is scrapped at less than 3 years with us....daughters pug 306 has been in the family over 10 years now.... so max cost of her car is 600 quid a year, ( A lot less when it sails through the mot.)...what can i lease for 50 quid a month?...salesman goes very quiet

as far as im concerned old bangers are the cheapest way to stay on the road.... ill do the green thing by not driving unnecessarily.

even if it means me doing the supermarket shopping on the same 20 mile round trip as viewing the local fortnightly auction rather than sending the wife seperatly.

The way I see it differs from leasing is that ultimately electric combined with self driving means you would only pay per hour or whatever.
The talk about an integrated travel system is on the right lines I think
You can get quite a few taxi rides for the cost of buying , running, maintaining insuring and taxing a vehicle.
Take the wages out of a taxi then the cost should not prevent anyone from being able to travel

 

[Nabsim]

Boris has just sold off our car industry to Tesla me thinks. Should keep Trump happy before he gets his hands on our NHS and the pharmaceuticals.

Oh I don’t think so, Elon Musk is seen as a threat to the US government, he is now far too powerful and rich for them and they can’t control him. Who else has their own space station and launching strings of satellites to provide world wide internet lol

 

[Nabsim]

You obviously have not seen how the batteries are arranged within an EV. Far from a simple task to do a quick swap. You would be quicker swapping complete car, maybe this is the way to go?

I remember many years ago one of the top gear boys at a Vauxhall plant somewhere taking a prototype ev out. It was brilliant but the great thing was the batteries, drive,transmission was a platform. The body was interchangeable so one day you could be in a family saloon, another in a sports car etc. It never saw the light of day but must have been at least ten years ago.

No reason the battery packs couldn’t be made as cassettes if they wanted to but it’s not practical. An exchangeable power cell to generate and charge however...

 

[runnach]

Leasing can work for some companies not others it is not a fit all solution

Rich mentions a typical lease on a petrol engine car £250 per month ,normally 3 rentals as a deposit so
£750 ."....so ask yourself this how many times have you been able to change a car after 3 years use for £750 ? That’s an attractive proposition to lot of companies especially those with tight working capital and sensitive cashflows

With leasing you dont pay all the capital back there is an outstanding balance at the end of the term which should be set slightly less than the cars market value ...so the next £750 deposit is within the car.

The market is different for business and individuals and some of the rules..if you enter an operating lease,contract hire ...the ch company claim the vat back and fund a net amount tax man gets his cut from vat on the rentals. Contract hire also can escalate tax relief reducing corporation tax ..also makes gearing ratios look better..typical salesman knows non of this so no wonder can’t give answers when asked.

You don’t buy a pig when you only want a bacon sandwich......leasing contract hire lease purchase personal contract purchase are relevant to some not to others...last and not least people have egos so have emotional needs to have a19 plate on the drive and latest model to up the Jones,

My personal preference and where I agree with ricc and trev is I have always done ok with used vehicles and have been prepared to take the risks that entails...of course all petrol or diesel,,,,very wary of the new technology which is in its infancy

 

[Deleted member 84549]

I very much doubt that they can force older vehicle owners off the road because of this. Petrol stations would go bust if they only sold electric. If a Tesla has a tonne of battery (that you have to practically take the car to bits to replace) and there are 25+ million cars to be replaced, the environmental impact would be massively worse by doing it. Also since around 30kg of lithium is needed per car and lithium is a rare earth metal, it becomes even more ludicrous There would only be enough payload for a packet of crisps. Add to the fact that a lithium fire cannot be put out and it burns so quickly that people couldn't get the phones out of their pocket before their leg was severely burned, would you want to crash one? I intend to keep my diesel MH and keep my car also.

 

[GreggBear]

You might buy a pig if nobody near you sold bacon. Out here in the sticks electric vehicles will never be a sensible option because the govt don't give a £$%^ about anything north of Watford! If everyone in the inner cities ran evs the problem wouldn't be so bad. There isn't an electric charging point anywhere within 5miles of me AFAIK, what bloody use would an ev be to me?

 

[Owlhouse]

The reasons behind going ‘carbon neutral’ are a complete sham. The people behind the doomsday predictions are nothing short of eco terrorists (Greenpeace, WWF etc) and want to change society to their socialist way and only their way. If we do go down the route of ‘carbon neutral’ it will be the end of our industry, freedom and we will end up with a closed down way of life similar to China.
I am a retired engineer and can see through the deceptive information promulgated by the ‘eco’ alarmists, real data by real scientists proves them wrong time and time again. The truth is out there - you just have to find it. The time to see the emperor’s new clothes is coming.

 

[vindiboy]

I read on BBC news app that if you have a petrol or diesel vehicle at 2035 you will still be able to drive it, yeah that is till they stop production of the fuel, the app also said that at that time there would be an electric charging point on e every lamp post, lots of dead dogs too I expect heehee

 

[Discokegs]

The reasons behind going ‘carbon neutral’ are a complete sham. The people behind the doomsday predictions are nothing short of eco terrorists (Greenpeace, WWF etc) and want to change society to their socialist way and only their way. If we do go down the route of ‘carbon neutral’ it will be the end of our industry, freedom and we will end up with a closed down way of life similar to China.
I am a retired engineer and can see through the deceptive information promulgated by the ‘eco’ alarmists, real data by real scientists proves them wrong time and time again. The truth is out there - you just have to find it. The time to see the emperor’s new clothes is coming.

Who are these real scientists?

 

[Fisherman]

The reasons behind going ‘carbon neutral’ are a complete sham. The people behind the doomsday predictions are nothing short of eco terrorists (Greenpeace, WWF etc) and want to change society to their socialist way and only their way. If we do go down the route of ‘carbon neutral’ it will be the end of our industry, freedom and we will end up with a closed down way of life similar to China.
I am a retired engineer and can see through the deceptive information promulgated by the ‘eco’ alarmists, real data by real scientists proves them wrong time and time again. The truth is out there - you just have to find it. The time to see the emperor’s new clothes is coming.

Please give us some of this real data, and tell us who the real scientists are.
Can you also please highlight some of the deceptive information so that we can analyse it.
I used to be sceptical about global warming until I spent many hours studying it.
I looked really hard for real data (well what I thought was real data), and found plenty of real data. I looked for deceptive information, never found any. I read books and articles written by real scientists (well they claim to have BAs, MAs and PHDs) watched many programmes about global warming. Conclusion, it’s happening right now.
Apologies if you reckon I have posted deceptively or that I am not real.

 

[Deleted member 84549]

Check the carbon footprint for motorhome and airline travel.

For a motorhome to Alicante and back from Birmingham = just about 0.4 tonne total for the 1200 mile round trip and several months in Spain.

For airplane travel for 2 people for the same return trip = 1 tonne total and 1 or 2 weeks in Spain.

Maybe this point should be made to the government by the various motorhome interest groups?

Agreed, you can calculate that each plane passenger could drive there in a separate car and emit less pollution. Manchester want to charge £7.50 per day to anything that is not a car, my response included the fact that the people making these decisions can afford to change vehicle and likely holiday by plane which pollutes Manchester but none of that is included, not even the huge 4x4/saloons that do less mpg than my MH.

 

[runnach]

Please give us some of this real data, and tell us who the real scientists are.
Can you also please highlight some of the deceptive information so that we can analyse it.
I used to be sceptical about global warming until I spent many hours studying it.
I looked really hard for real data (well what I thought was real data), and found plenty of real data. I looked for deceptive information, never found any. I read books and articles written by real scientists (well they claim to have BAs, MAs and PHDs) watched many programmes about global warming. Conclusion, it’s happening right now.
Apologies if you reckon I have posted deceptively or that I am not real.

We don’t need to be scientist to understand some facts

World population is increasing
People require oxygen as do animals
Trees provide oxygen via photosynthesis
Plant and tree deforestation continues to occur despite sustainable inititiaves
All the above are established fact

Given the facts the balance is changing at an alarming rate and needs halting

Common sense, and all of the above ignores other issues like the oceans warming (fact) ice caps melting and having an effect in each corner of the world.

If people deny the impact and outcome will be different that’s totall y different the denial the worlds resurces aren’t changing is entirely different and simply not true

 

[Nabsim]

Electric motors is definitely one of the ways forward but using fuel cell technology not full of battery’s like most ev’s are.
To my mind though I just can’t understand why we haven’t switched to hydrogen, fill your tank and pay in a few minutes. Don’t need masses of cable infrastructure and disruption. I must be te thick

 

[trevskoda]

Electric motors is definitely one of the ways forward but using fuel cell technology not full of battery’s like most ev’s are.
To my mind though I just can’t understand why we haven’t switched to hydrogen, fill your tank and pay in a few minutes. Don’t need masses of cable infrastructure and disruption. I must be te thick

The problem with hydrogen is that it requires lots more power to strip it out of the atmosphere than charging cells,mind you the cycle of building and disposing of batterys is just as dirty,no simple fix im sorry to say.

 

[Fisherman]

We don’t need to be scientist to understand some facts

World population is increasing
People require oxygen as do animals
Trees provide oxygen via photosynthesis
Plant and tree deforestation continues to occur despite sustainable inititiaves
All the above are established fact

Given the facts the balance is changing at an alarming rate and needs halting

Common sense, and all of the above ignores other issues like the oceans warming (fact) ice caps melting and having an effect in each corner of the world.

If people deny the impact and outcome will be different that’s totall y different the denial the worlds resurces aren’t changing is entirely different and simply not true

I agree Andrew, we don't need scientist to tell us we are in bother, but Owlhouse described some as being real. I thought anyone with a science degree was a scientist, not only those who are global warming deniars.

 

[Owlhouse]

Please give us some of this real data, and tell us who the real scientists are.
Can you also please highlight some of the deceptive information so that we can analyse it.
I used to be sceptical about global warming until I spent many hours studying it.
I looked really hard for real data (well what I thought was real data), and found plenty of real data. I looked for deceptive information, never found any. I read books and articles written by real scientists (well they claim to have BAs, MAs and PHDs) watched many programmes about global warming. Conclusion, it’s happening right now.
Apologies if you reckon I have posted deceptively or that I am not real.

Real data is posted AND analysed on these websites: https://wattsupwiththat.com/ and https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/
The alarmist community hates sites like these because they give verifiable data and arguments that expose the lies of the alarmist.

 

[korky]

The reasons behind going ‘carbon neutral’ are a complete sham. The people behind the doomsday predictions are nothing short of eco terrorists (Greenpeace, WWF etc) and want to change society to their socialist way and only their way. If we do go down the route of ‘carbon neutral’ it will be the end of our industry, freedom and we will end up with a closed down way of life similar to China.
I am a retired engineer and can see through the deceptive information promulgated by the ‘eco’ alarmists, real data by real scientists proves them wrong time and time again. The truth is out there - you just have to find it. The time to see the emperor’s new clothes is coming.

Ha ha.I love a good laugh me.

 

[Fisherman]

Real data is posted AND analysed on these websites: https://wattsupwiththat.com/ and https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/
The alarmist community hates sites like these because they give verifiable data and arguments that expose the lies of the alarmist.

So the data provided by everyone else is not real, only those who don't believe in global warming provide real data. interesting.

 

[Fisherman]

Ha ha.I love a good laugh me.

Korky folk still think we never landed on the moon, American gun laws make perfect sense, bush set up 911, aliens landed in Area 51, the jews were not massacred in the holocaust, Trump is innocent, and global warming is not happening.