whitby gazette motorhome parking

I have taken the opportunity to post my comment on the Whitby Gazette article through there web site and include it below.

I am the owner of a campervan, my wife and I have been to Whitby a number of times and have slept in our vehicle on the street. However I would support that parking a motorhome in the town centre around the harbour would seem irresponsible as the roads are narrow and unsuitable for them.

We are responsible people as are most motorhome owners. Our vehicles are well maintained and self contained and legal to use on the road. We try to park in such a way as to cause a minimum of nuisance to local people. I would not condone the examples given of cooking on the pavement or are you going to ban people sitting on the peir or elsewhere eating fish and chips? As for emptying toilet waste into a drain I suspect it was perhaps a basin of water used for washing that was emptied rather than toilet waste! The majority of Motorhomers I know are enviromentally aware and behave responsibly.

On my last visit to Whitby we arrived in the afternoon, parked on West Cliff and walked into town where we had lunch in a local cafe. We then explored more and bought a present for our daughter and spare parts for our bicycles, all from local shops. We then had an evening meal in the town and the following morning we bought food and other supplies before moving on. In all we spent a considerable amount of money supporting local businesses and shops.

Quite simply if restrictions are brought in then we will go elesewhere where we can park and relax a little and Whitby traders will lose our custom.

As has been commented above we find that many communities in Scotland welcome us for the custom we bring to places we stay, and on the continent towns and communities, particularly in Germany and France, recognise the benefit to local economies in encouraging visits by people, who once welcomed to visit or stay, will help feed the local economy.

As a motorhomer I would be pleased if local communities considered the benefits of attracting responsible visitors in the way the French do with Aires or the Germans with Stellpaltze.

Provide a small part of a car park or area that is peaceful specifically for motorhomers to stop and spend, perhaps a maximum of 48 hours. Consider putting in a Flot Bleu or similar machine that for a small charge would dispense up to 100 litres of fresh drinking water and also allow safe disposle of waste water and toilet waste. The French have a whole network of service points charging about 2 euro for the use.

Motorhome owners are not antisocial and do not generally cause a problem other than parking on a suitable wide street and can be of benefit to your community if welcomed in.

Please remember that you can attract more bees with sugar than vinegar
 
Quote (I have taken the opportunity to post my comment on the Whitby Gazette article through there web site and include it below. )

Well done Torwood,

Can only be good for us. you never know someone might listen. :goodluck:
 
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Can only be good for us. you never know someone might listen. :goodluck:

Thanks - Perhaps WildCamping should prepare or gather a set of template responses we can each download and personalise to challenge or counter these issues when they get raised?

In my experience of complaints like these the vocal minority usually triumphs over the silent majority?
 
camping in Italy at moment

If the local town big wigs took a look at France with there aires and the rest of europe with parking for motorhomes
this brings in money to shops in the area including these short minded traders,put:scared: them on a short jolly to europe
to find out how it work. You pay a small amount for water waste disposal + a bit of electric. every body wins the local shops the traders who rent a stall on the same area, for a small amount and leave all there rubbish for council and tax payer to pick up
hope this is not to heavy

snowbirds in Italy on camp site in Milan Payed for

hi all just been reading the whitby gazette online and, guess what, another article complaining about motorhomes parking and staying overnight. It would appear that despite the no parking/ no camping signs there is no legislation in place to support these signs. They plan to look into it in future. I sometimes think that most of the complaints about motorhomes are just sour grapes. whitby gazette lifestyle motoring
 
I am impressed with the eloquency of many of these posts. I've never actually been to Whitby or Scarborough and I certainly wouldn't go at the present time. For me France has everything that small minded English resorts don't have - and we love it over there - and spend our money there all the time.

However, I have written a complaint to Scarborough Borough Council (details above somewhere) to support this thread and the well voiced points that you all make. I hope we get somewhere and if a few local authorities show some initiative a few more might follow.

In the meantime, Vive la France !!!
 
I am impressed with the eloquency of many of these posts. I've never actually been to Whitby or Scarborough and I certainly wouldn't go at the present time. For me France has everything that small minded English resorts don't have - and we love it over there - and spend our money there all the time.

However, I have written a complaint to Scarborough Borough Council (details above somewhere) to support this thread and the well voiced points that you all make. I hope we get somewhere and if a few local authorities show some initiative a few more might follow.

In the meantime, Vive la France !!!

Hi Fairytooth,

I am a Yorkshireman born and bred but as much as I hate to admit it, I too went to France this year and loved it. The number of motorhomes across France paying a few Euros a night. How much is that? What is wrong with these short sited council parking plonkers. How many people on here want to give them our money? For what? To park for a few hours somewhere that there is plenty of space! Then we spend on fuel, food, entertainment! What is there problem? The travalling community my local council tells me. Well if we provided a area that they had to pay for then they would either have to pay or go somewhere else!

End of rant!!

Richard
 
What do I pay my council tax for?

Well it isn't for the road. That is paid for (many times over) by vehicle taxes.

Incidentally I understand the majority of parking tickets are unenforceable. People just pay up because they don't know the law.
 
. . .Well if we provided a area that they had to pay for then they would either have to pay or go somewhere else!

End of rant!!

Richard

Not a rant Richard. A suggestion with a hint of a solution in it. Something like this. Problem: "We are worried that our short term parking for motorhomes will become a permanent settlement." Possible Answer, "Access is only by a barrier raised by putting in one day's parking fee. Control is by displaying a windscreen ticket. Departure is only allowed by presenting the same ticket within 24 hours." Non-compliance results in the parking penalties we are alredy used to.

I know that's a rather leaky answer but it might be something to build on if ever we get to the point of discussions with local authority and this problem is spoken out loud.
 
NO Parking please

When writng to these councils may I suggest mentioning the power of the web to spread bad news That way they'll know that your not just a lone voice expressing your concerns:mad1: Remind them that those concerns, PLUS their responses to you will appear on the web almost before the ink is dry:eek:
 
Nimbys

The problem we face is that councillors are elected, and paid, by local people. So they don't seem to care about us because we pay our council tax. and have our vote, in a different area that does not affect them.
 
Yes, it's sour grapes. Buy a house next to an airport and complain about aeroplanes, buy a house next to a pub and complain about noise, buy a house next to a road and complain . . .?

However. My anger would be for the dishonest council if I'd bought my house believing that there was no parking outside my house. After all, the council had notices there saying “no parking” and I'm entitled to believe them, aren't I? I'm going to live in a nice quiet neighbourhood with no overnighting campervans. What do I pay my council tax for?

And then, it turns out, the “No Parking” is only a council wish list; it seems it has no force in law. The blame is with the dishonest council; not with campervans parked legally. Only signs with legal backing should be displayed? Ok? Then we all know where we are.

Because of all these dishonest signs we are all at sixes and sevens wondering which have legal force and which do not.

Mmmm _ As somone who lives near a pub I can empathise. We have lived here for 25 years and didn't have a problem until a new landlord came three years ago and got his licencing times changed. Now we have irresponsible drinking and serving, until 2 in the morning on some weekends and its not good to be repeatedly woken up by shouting. In the same way years ago we had a caravan in oxfordshire and the council built a travellers site just a few fields down - all was well while the older romanies were there but then other people came who broke into the vans, stole form the locals and dumped piles of harcore in the lane, etc. It caused a lot of bad feeling (even amongst the different groups of travellers) and spoiled it for everyone.
I think that everone has responsility - we can all have a piece of the cake if we act appropriately and share senstively with others. Councils have a duty to get the balance right, as do householders, and campers too. I have recommended a spot on here which is beautiful and very close to a holiday cottage we have. Noone minds the odd camper or two staying for the odd nights stop over - it is lovely to wake up next to the sea - but realistically there is not room for more than a couple of vans, and if people started trashing the place instead of using the bins or being really loud in a sleepy village, I think thats different.
 
Councillor Andrew Backhouse

Oh, and following up on a recent rumour that somebody on the council had a bit of a vested interest in Motorhomes overnighting ......

Cllr Backhouse discloses on his Register of Interests that he is Manager of M & EF Backhouse Caravan Park and that he has a 'Beneficial Interest' in the following property

The Haven Caravan Park, Burniston - Owned by parents
15A High Street, Burniston - Owned by parents
24 Main Street, Irton - Owned by parents
8,8A,10,10A Gladstone Road, Scarborough - Owned by parents
1 - 8 Norwood Mews, Scarborough - Owned by parents
Land 0S 3108, Scarborough - Owned by parents

See Scarborough Borough Council: Register of interests for Councillor Andrew G Backhouse for more details.

Oh, did I forget to say, he has the portfolio for traffic and parking matters in Scarborough. Something other than the docks smells fishy if you ask me..................
 
Oh, and following up on a recent rumour that somebody on the council had a bit of a vested interest in Motorhomes overnighting ......

Cllr Backhouse discloses on his Register of Interests that he is Manager of M & EF Backhouse Caravan Park and that he has a 'Beneficial Interest' in the following property

The Haven Caravan Park, Burniston - Owned by parents
15A High Street, Burniston - Owned by parents
24 Main Street, Irton - Owned by parents
8,8A,10,10A Gladstone Road, Scarborough - Owned by parents
1 - 8 Norwood Mews, Scarborough - Owned by parents
Land 0S 3108, Scarborough - Owned by parents

See Scarborough Borough Council: Register of interests for Councillor Andrew G Backhouse for more details.

Oh, did I forget to say, he has the portfolio for traffic and parking matters in Scarborough. Something other than the docks smells fishy if you ask me..................

It was mentioned on here a couple of years ago that Cllr Backhouse may be promoting his own family caravan site business by wanting to restrict the use of motorhomes in Scarborough.
What's the point of a Register of Interests if these dubious practices continus unchecked?
 
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is there no where these questions can be queried, at the minute it looks to be the same as asking all Councillors to police their own expenses. of course they would do it properly wouldn't they.......

al
 
is there no where these questions can be queried, at the minute it looks to be the same as asking all Councillors to police their own expenses. of course they would do it properly wouldn't they.......

al

There might be a Local Government Ombudsman.
 
Fairytooth with this information you are spoiling us, a counter story for the Yorkshire Post could put egg on their chin, stories must be hard to come by with half of the country on hols??? And we all love a half scandal he he he he he!!!!!!;)
 
This tread interests me because it opens so very many cans of worms..... the one which made me smile the most was 'council contractor cronies'.
All the whistles and bells which these guys have to have cost the general taxpayer an extra fortune....
more than enough to fund Aires for Motorhomers and campsites for all British Travelers, traditional, New Age or otherwise
 
First port of call is to raise it with the CEO of the borough council .... possibly under a freedom of information request .....wait for response which has to be in a given time frame, complain as necessary, then if they don't do something take it on to the ombudsman (who won't deal with it unless you have made approaches to the council for information and ultimately registered a formal complaint
 
Only signs with legal backing should be displayed

A letter to the local newspaper- council frittering away tax payers' money?

As regards Cllr Backhouse's interests, an FOI request might turn up some interesting results. If it could be established that he did not declare his conflict of interest and if it could be shown that he tried to influence proceeding, his reputation could be trashed. Indeed, I think that a case could be made restricting him from public comment as councillor without declaring his conflict of interest to the reader. Wholly unethical, but sadly apparently not terribly uncommon.

Polly
 

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