whitby gazette motorhome parking

[yorkslass]

hi all just been reading the whitby gazette online and, guess what, another article complaining about motorhomes parking and staying overnight. It would appear that despite the no parking/ no camping signs there is no legislation in place to support these signs. They plan to look into it in future. I sometimes think that most of the complaints about motorhomes are just sour grapes. whitby gazette lifestyle motoring

 

[Deleted member 2636]

Is it sour grapes? If you had just paid a lot of money for a house with a sea view and every morning you looked out on a line motorhomes would we, "Wild Campers", feel any different?

If the place we wild camp is not affecting any one ie Aldburgh where the camping took place just out of town and not in front of peoples homes, then I think that you could reasonably say "get on with it". If it is in front of people's homes then I can understand their annoyance.

 

[Deleted member 3802]

As a regular user of whitby i also agree about where these motorhomes are parking there is no thought what so ever about other people
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[maureenandtom]

Yes, it's sour grapes. Buy a house next to an airport and complain about aeroplanes, buy a house next to a pub and complain about noise, buy a house next to a road and complain . . .?

However. My anger would be for the dishonest council if I'd bought my house believing that there was no parking outside my house. After all, the council had notices there saying “no parking” and I'm entitled to believe them, aren't I? I'm going to live in a nice quiet neighbourhood with no overnighting campervans. What do I pay my council tax for?

And then, it turns out, the “No Parking” is only a council wish list; it seems it has no force in law. The blame is with the dishonest council; not with campervans parked legally. Only signs with legal backing should be displayed? Ok? Then we all know where we are.

Because of all these dishonest signs we are all at sixes and sevens wondering which have legal force and which do not.

 

[Dezi]

Yes, it's sour grapes. Buy a house next to an airport and complain about aeroplanes, buy a house next to a pub and complain about noise, buy a house next to a road and complain . . .?

However. My anger would be for the dishonest council if I'd bought my house believing that there was no parking outside my house. After all, the council had notices there saying “no parking” and I'm entitled to believe them, aren't I? I'm going to live in a nice quiet neighbourhood with no overnighting campervans. What do I pay my council tax for?

And then, it turns out, the “No Parking” is only a council wish list; it seems it has no force in law. The blame is with the dishonest council; not with campervans parked legally. Only signs with legal backing should be displayed? Ok? Then we all know where we are.

Because of all these dishonest signs we are all at sixes and sevens wondering which have legal force and which do not.

That is taking what Baloothebear said completley out of context. I do not complain about vehicles parking in the road. However having a property on the coast I strongly object to

selfish individuals parking for days on end spoiling, not just my view, but also holiday makers who have paid good money for a couple of weeks holiday.

Spending a week in a hotel looking out over a line of motorhomes instead of the view in the brochure & I suspect everybody on this forum would turn into the grumpyest git that ever griped a grump.

A typical Yorkshireman in fact & nobody wishes that on anybody.

Dezi

 

[maureenandtom]

That is taking what Baloothebear said completley out of context. I do not complain about vehicles parking in the road. However having a property on the coast I strongly object to

selfish individuals parking for days on end spoiling, not just my view, but also holiday makers who have paid good money for a couple of weeks holiday.

Spending a week in a hotel looking out over a line of motorhomes instead of the view in the brochure & I suspect everybody on this forum would turn into the grumpyest git that ever griped a grump.

A typical Yorkshireman in fact & nobody wishes that on anybody.

Dezi

Oh, I don't know. Spent several years stationed in Yorkshire. Quite liked most Yorks folk. I was replying to Yorkslass not the Bear and I'm sure I haven't hurt his feelings. If I didn't make it clear that I understood people's resentment, then I make it clear now.

My ire is directed against the council. We should be able to believe what we see. If the brochure Dezi talks about shows no campervans then we have a grievance if the picture is misleading. But it's not legally parked campervans we should resent – it's the misleading advertisers with their misleading picture. Campervanners who have paid equally good money should be able to legally park.

In Yorkslass's opening post, it's misleading council notices.

 

[Deleted member 2636]

What this really comes down to is that the councils* should provide "Aires" - Problem sorted - Simples


* Please note that I used the word "Councils" that's all of them

 

[vindideck]

What this really comes down to is that the councils* should provide "Aires" - Problem sorted - Simples


* Please note that I used the word "Councils" that's all of them

Hi Baloothebear,

I agree, it would solve the problem but ;-

The only way the crooked UK will get Aires is with Eu funding and the local councils cronies getting the work.

They would then charge 'Campsite' prices,

No apology, my eyes are wide open.

I hope this kicks off !!!!

 

[fairytooth]

What this really comes down to is that the councils* should provide "Aires" - Problem sorted - Simples


* Please note that I used the word "Councils" that's all of them

My thoughts exactly Baloo. Have just come from Hayling Island, car park near to Ferry Boat Inn at west end of seafront. Not overlooked, lovely views, not in anyone's way, ideal for MHers BUT sign up saying No Overnight Motorhomes. WHY ???

Complete xenophobia if you ask me.

If this was France they would have called it an Aire and charged a few bob for overnighting = PROBLEM SOLVED.

 

[maureenandtom]

What this really comes down to is that the councils* should provide "Aires" - Problem sorted - Simples


* Please note that I used the word "Councils" that's all of them

Yes. That would solve everybody's problem. It's about a week now since I sent my little sales brochure to Scarborough council – you could follow any progress in that thread – and I've been promised a response by the 18th August.

I'm an optimist and if the response from Scarborough is at all reasonable then I might just add Whitby to the list of councils to try. I might just try Whitby anyway. Optimist.

You can search for my efforts in the past, some of them are documented here, though, frankly, tourist officials are initially keen on anything which might be a tourist asset but then the parking controllers seem to have the last word. And for some reason, parking controllers don't want campervans. They don't seem amenable to a suggestion that campervans in one place will be easily controlled rather than having them spread about all over the place. I have an idea I know the reason but nobody seems to want to say it out loud.

Which is a pity because an unacknowledged problem remains a problem. An identified problem can be resolved. So, I'll put it bluntly. I think councils are frightened of providing what we call Aires, ie an area set aside and catering for the needs of campervans because these wonderful parking areas might then become permanent areas of settled travellers who will be difficult to move on.

What's the answer to that problem? If it is a problem? I can think of answers.

 

[kenjones]

Whitby and Scarborough car parking is controlled by the same anti motorhome bunch.


Car Parks : Council Services for Scarborough Borough, Whitby and Filey

 

[fairytooth]

Yes I suppose it all comes down to failing to address the gypsy/traveller problem properly in this country. If, instead of saying No Motorhomes they said Motorhomes Only we might get somewhere.

I understand that there is a genuine 'Aire' in Canterbury. Is that so? Can anyone say how well it operates? Somebody told me that once these sites are organised they need planning permission. I wonder if that's true or just another excuse for not having them.

I have sent a complaint to Scarborough Council concerning their policy of hate towards us. If anyone wants to add their 3 pence worth the email address is:

complaints@scarborough.gov.uk Go on, give them some stick !

 

[iansontour]

The P&R car park at Canterbury has a section just for motorhomes, barrier entrance with water, toilet & grey water dump, all for £2.50 24 hours INC free bus travel into town as many times u like!!

 

[fairytooth]

Fantastic, why can't other local authorities follow this fine example?

 

[kimbowbill]

How refreshing

This is a comment made in the WG, how refreshing, lets hope she has sent her comments to the right peeps

As a caravan site owner can I clarify that I think the people with motorhomes should be allowed to park and sleep on the West Cliff and other areas of the town. Whilst travelling on the continent I notice that most of the town have areas set aside for such people with free facilities, such as water, chemical disposal points and picnic benches. This is presumably to encourage people into the area and to spend money. Why can't our councils adopt this positive attitude instead of wanting to persecute people? It all seems to work so well in France, Spain and Italy. Some people want to stay on sites and others want the freedom to choose not to, surely we can accommodate both
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[vindideck]

The P&R car park at Canterbury has a section just for motorhomes, barrier entrance with water, toilet & grey water dump, all for £2.50 24 hours INC free bus travel into town as many times u like!!

A great big pat on the back for Canterbury, is it possible others will follow ???.

 

[yorkslass]

Is it sour grapes? If you had just paid a lot of money for a house with a sea view and every morning you looked out on a line motorhomes would we, "Wild Campers", feel any different?

If the place we wild camp is not affecting any one ie Aldburgh where the camping took place just out of town and not in front of peoples homes, then I think that you could reasonably say "get on with it". If it is in front of people's homes then I can understand their annoyance.

please dont shoot the messenger! if i lived in any seaside town, then yes ,i would expect plenty of visitors. i also never advocated having a line of motorhomes. in actual fact the people i have heard moaning are the ones who get up mid morning, arrive at lunchtime or later then wonder why they cant park exactly where they want! in answer to your last point , and old arthurs, i have never personally parked in front of anyones home or guest house. get there early enough and there are quite a few places to park without been in anyones way.

 

[bigpieeater]

So....lets all bugger off to France where they cater for our needs and sod the resorts in this country, why would we want to spend our money in places that don't want us?:mad1:

 

[maureenandtom]

I've been reading the letters - saw yours Kimbowbill, excellent - and carried on reading a few more. Know thy enemy! Does anybody know what the Whitby Traffic Partnership is? It seems to a secret society; certainly secretive.


Mystery membership of the Whitby Traffic Partnership - Letters - Whitby Gazette

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The Whitby Traffic Partnership, whose membership has always been, and remains secret, and who do not allow members of the public to attend their meetings, and who either do not keep minutes or do not allow them to be seen by anybody but themselves . . .

 

[kimbowbill]

I've been reading the letters - saw yours Kimbowbill, excellent - and carried on reading a few more. Know thy enemy! Does anybody know what the Whitby Traffic Partnership is? It seems to a secret society; certainly secretive.


Mystery membership of the Whitby Traffic Partnership - Letters - Whitby Gazette

Extracted from the above:

The Whitby Traffic Partnership, whose membership has always been, and remains secret, and who do not allow members of the public to attend their meetings, and who either do not keep minutes or do not allow them to be seen by anybody but themselves . . .

Just goes to prove how bent councillers are, i think its disgusting, i thought groups like this have to be transparent? it really angers me, theres all these cuts been made, services stretched to the limit, and then you get these muppets creating their own group out of public funds, :mad2: :mad2: