Wells on Sea...no go area!

maureenandtom

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Yes, but if they break a law they aren't being discriminated against. For example, if someone assaults you, that person should be arrested & prosecuted for assault. Instead, what actually happens is the perpetrator then says "I'm a member of the travelling community" & then gets protected by the same legal system he has just crossed. Summing up, if a man breaks a law, he should be dealt with as a law breaker, & not as a protected minority. If he chooses to go outside the law, he should not then be able to seek protection from prosecution through his status as a protected minority, an unlawful act is just that, irrespective of who it is committed by.....
If Travellers break a law and are dealt with as you and I would be dealt with then they are not being discriminated against and the protected status does not apply. If a Traveller assaulted me then I'd expect the criminal justice system to be applied to him equally. Do you know this does not happen? This is something you should take up with criminal justice enforcers. You should question the police about why they did not take action.
 

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Everyone knows this does not happen. The law is constantly thwarted by the system that darent go against these people. This happens all over the land, if you don't believe it, just read the papers. Every day stories are printed about Irish travellers dumping rubbish, running amok, & countless other contraventions, yet very few prosecutions. Police round here refuse to go into the permanent traveller camps as they are outnumbered. Yet still some people seem hell bent on painting them whiter than white, & calling for society to 'protect their rights'
When are the snowflakes going to start wanting our rights to be protected?....
 

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If Travellers break a law and are dealt with as you and I would be dealt with then they are not being discriminated against and the protected status does not apply. If a Traveller assaulted me then I'd expect the criminal justice system to be applied to him equally. Do you know this does not happen? This is something you should take up with criminal justice enforcers. You should question the police about why they did not take action.
A quick search reveals a number of local councils with information pages on this topic .......

https://www.flintshire.gov.uk/en/PD...rmance/MythsandFactsGypsiesand-travellers.pdf
 

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Everyone knows this does not happen. The law is constantly thwarted by the system that darent go against these people. This happens all over the land, if you don't believe it, just read the papers. Every day stories are printed about Irish travellers dumping rubbish, running amok, & countless other contraventions, yet very few prosecutions. Police round here refuse to go into the permanent traveller camps as they are outnumbered. Yet still some people seem hell bent on painting them whiter than white, & calling for society to 'protect their rights'
When are the snowflakes going to start wanting our rights to be protected?....
Mostly correct but the same applies to football crowds etc . General police policy appears to be containment , rightly or wrongly .
On another note . I really do wish people would stop this do[o] gooders/snowflakes stuff . It really is trite nonsense
 

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Gypsies taking over someones land is not a criminal offence, it is a Civil matter. Perhaps that is why the Police do not steam in mob handed. This will change with the new Act of Parliament and it will be interesting to see how it is applied.
 

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We came across the same thing in Cromer 2019 in the Runton Rd car park. Height barriers over because the police had had wind that gypsies were about to invade the town. Luckily you can park in other car parks in Cromer and there is on road parking in places but it’s tight and not so nice as the Runton Rd one. You also have to get parked up fairly early.
Runton Rd car park was indeed closed to high vehicles when you say but restriction has since been removed presumably because the expected threat has subsided.
 

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Mostly correct but the same applies to football crowds etc . General police policy appears to be containment , rightly or wrongly .
On another note . I really do wish people would stop this do[o] gooders/snowflakes stuff . It really is trite nonsense
Why is it trite nonsense? Do you really believe it to be so? Perhaps if irish travellers moved into your area you could experience their behaviour first hand, maybe then it might not appear quite so trite to you....
 

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Everyone knows this does not happen. The law is constantly thwarted by the system that darent go against these people. This happens all over the land, if you don't believe it, just read the papers. Every day stories are printed about Irish travellers dumping rubbish, running amok, & countless other contraventions, yet very few prosecutions. Police round here refuse to go into the permanent traveller camps as they are outnumbered. Yet still some people seem hell bent on painting them whiter than white, & calling for society to 'protect their rights'
When are the snowflakes going to start wanting our rights to be protected?....

I don't think anyone on this thread is painting anyone whiter than white. I haven't done that. I don't thiink of myself as a snowflake or a doo gooder but I do think that wanting to see the law abided by, especially by lawmakers, is protecting our rights. I think that being selective in which laws to obey/enforce is eroding our rights. ALL of us are losers when this happens. Major losers too. Starts with Gypsies and Travellers but where does it end?
 

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My point exactly. I abide by all laws, people who don't should be prosecuted. Then we might see a situation where authorities know they don't need to erect barriers, as ANYONE who parks illegally or litters etc CAN & WILL be prosecuted. Shopkeepers would know that ANYONE who steals or makes threats of violence etc CAN & WILL be prosecuted.
Instead, money is spent making new laws that hinder everyone, but will only ever be obeyed by the law abiding meanwhile the real problem is, as usual, avoided by authorities who don't want to be seen as victimizing a minority....
 

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Why is it trite nonsense? Do you really believe it to be so? Perhaps if irish travellers moved into your area you could experience their behaviour first hand, maybe then it might not appear quite so trite to you....
I , basically , agreed with your post .
The trite nonsense comment was , I thought , obviously referring to the tedious use of do gooder/snowflake .
 

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I , basically , agreed with your post .
The trite nonsense comment was , I thought , obviously referring to the tedious use of do gooder/snowflake .
So because it has become tedious we should stop mentioning it, as if it isn't a fact. I wonder how many members find mention of yet another height barrier,or no overnight parking sign tedious?....
 

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So because it has become tedious we should stop mentioning it, as if it isn't a fact. I wonder how many members find mention of yet another height barrier,or no overnight parking sign tedious?....
You are comparing actual things like height barriers to , as I said , trite expressions ?
 

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So snowflakes, or people who seem to look for areas where they can find fault with common sense, aren't 'actual things'?
 

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What you all seem to forget is that the law is subjective. Generally it is applied most effectively on those that can't fight it. Especially if you can only be tried by magistrates. The more money or influence you have, the more likely you are get your way. Or even get away with what you are doing. I know from bitter experience. Don't think travelling communities are poor, anything but. Remember crime pays!
 

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So because it has become tedious we should stop mentioning it, as if it isn't a fact. I wonder how many members find mention of yet another height barrier,or no overnight parking sign tedious?....
Quite a few, probably. So far as I know, this is the first time a council spokesman has claimed that height barriers have been erected to exclude a racial minority. That is pretty momentous and if challenged the council will fight tooth and nail that was not meant. What they meant was ..... and he excuses will begin.

There's things I grew i[ with that I always took as gospel. I don't like that saying we hear all the time - "It;s the few spoiling things for the rest of us" I don;t subscribe to that. Punish the criminals. Let the rest of us alone. Here is the possibility that we can expose the whole dishonest network. It's even possible this could demolish height barriers - make them illegal.

There's probably some legal Latin name for what I believe - No crime, no punishment. Now that I think of it, it's probably the base for some fundamental democratic principle.

How would you like to see notices like this:

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Or even like this Might as well take care of all prejudices at the same time



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Patently the local authorities are not contravening the law as they are undertaking their legal responsibility to protect the local community, their electorate!

Anyone who knows anything about the Traveller Community will know that in the very vast majority, they are a society who feel they are above the law. My local MP Dr. Caroline Johnson is also a farmers wife and she is heading up a national campaign to try and protect the farming community from these groups of people, who make the lives of farmers almost impossible with thefts of excavators, quad bikes, live stock etc. etc. all running at exceptionally high levels. These same groups are believed to be the main cause for the very significant rise in dog theft and illegal puppy breeding!

On another note, I am assured by a policeman friend that the vast majority of people in these communities will never use the facilities in their own caravans and motorhomes and will all go an defecate wherever they please to go, never clearing up their mess, and this was one of the major problems experienced by the Wells Parish Council and other PC's along the Norfolk Coast, hence the access restrictions.
Just to add a little balance, most farm theft of high value items is by organised gangs. Most are nearly new items which the gangs clone and are then quickly exported abroad. Six high value tractors were recently recovered from Poland. On the other hand, Cheshire Police recently recovered a stolen puppy from an unauthorised encampment in Nantwich and whilst they were there found a stolen caravan. So not all police reaction is negative and stand off, and yes, travellers do thieve ......... as of course does an element of society in general.

The main fact remains that "travellers" have a right enshrined in law to their way of life. We (society in general) may have a problem with that but they are not going to go away. Simply introducing more draconian laws to move them out of an area more expediently just means they become somebody else's problem down the road. Until society acknowledges that providing sufficient transit and permanent traveller sites is the main part of the solution we will still be writing threads like this in years to come.
 

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I certainly don't have a problem with the travelling way of life, only with the illegal activity these people seem to be endlessly associated with. I don't want to stop anyone being mobile, my issue is merely with the fact that illegal acts are often ignored, while we are stopped from enjoying our chosen lifestyle because of the actions of those who seem to be above the laws that so often restrict us....
 

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Quite a few, probably. So far as I know, this is the first time a council spokesman has claimed that height barriers have been erected to exclude a racial minority. That is pretty momentous and if challenged the council will fight tooth and nail that was not meant. What they meant was ..... and he excuses will begin.

There's things I grew i[ with that I always took as gospel. I don't like that saying we hear all the time - "It;s the few spoiling things for the rest of us" I don;t subscribe to that. Punish the criminals. Let the rest of us alone. Here is the possibility that we can expose the whole dishonest network. It's even possible this could demolish height barriers - make them illegal.

There's probably some legal Latin name for what I believe - No crime, no punishment. Now that I think of it, it's probably the base for some fundamental democratic principle.

How would you like to see notices like this:

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Or even like this Might as well take care of all prejudices at the same time



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They remind me of signs from the past outside hotels and B&Bs

NO BLACKS OR IRISH.

How times have changed, or have they :(
 

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Just to add a little balance, most farm theft of high value items is by organised gangs. Most are nearly new items which the gangs clone and are then quickly exported abroad. Six high value tractors were recently recovered from Poland. On the other hand, Cheshire Police recently recovered a stolen puppy from an unauthorised encampment in Nantwich and whilst they were there found a stolen caravan. So not all police reaction is negative and stand off, and yes, travellers do thieve ......... as of course does an element of society in general.

The main fact remains that "travellers" have a right enshrined in law to their way of life. We (society in general) may have a problem with that but they are not going to go away. Simply introducing more draconian laws to move them out of an area more expediently just means they become somebody else's problem down the road. Until society acknowledges that providing sufficient transit and permanent traveller sites is the main part of the solution we will still be writing threads like this in years to come.
The Law changed in Ireland and a lot of Travellers moved out. Many to the UK and more to the EU. Perhaps when we bring in similar legislation they may move elsewhere.
 

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