Wells on Sea...no go area!

maureenandtom said:
I wonder how many complaints, prosecutions and convictions there were on that occasion four years ago.
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Me too....the knee jerk reaction is definitely discriminating against us old codgers who just want to spend our money!
 
Thank gaud I am well and truly into the twilight years of my life is all I can say!!

I am and always have been an honest legal, law abiding tax payer who is very/exceptionally proud of his country..... It makes my blood boil when I read abut the mamby pambyish attitudes of so many people when it comes to certain groups who don't pay even the remotest levels of lip service to our once proud Countries laws!

Oh and by the way we regularly visit Wells Next The Sea and leave our van at our friends house a couple or so miles away and go to Wells in their car as the parking regime their is in such absolute chaos!!!
 
REC said:
Me too....the knee jerk reaction is definitely discriminating against us old codgers who just want to spend our money!
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I have never seen you as an old codger, perhaps I should stop drinking 🥂🥂🥂🥂
 
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We were at Burnham Overy Staithe a couple of weekends away, with daughter and her family in their campervan. We ordered fish n chips using an app then SiL drove into Wells to collect them for all of us. Fortunately I went with him and he was able to drop me off, circle the town a couple of times and pick me up after I rang him.

Gordon

There was an almost invisible sign saying "orders please use the exit door": I automatically joined the standard queue.
 
We came across the same thing in Cromer 2019 in the Runton Rd car park. Height barriers over because the police had had wind that gypsies were about to invade the town. Luckily you can park in other car parks in Cromer and there is on road parking in places but it’s tight and not so nice as the Runton Rd one. You also have to get parked up fairly early.
 
"A joint decision was made by the Police and Council Senior Management to install these barriers following the bad experience we had from travellers in August 2017, when most of the town’s pubs and cafes had to close for fear of safety of their staff and customers. The previous night they have received abuse and harassment, with travellers demanding free drinks, food and also money."

It looks rather like this town had a particularly rough time of it in 2017. We're always anxious to believe stories like this. I can't find any record of it being published anywhere - local press and the like. Unless anyone can find it, it rather looks like the excuses other councils have given of hundreds of complaints about motorhomers leaving rubbish and worse. Those stories never turned out to be true and maybe this one won't either. I might ask them.
 
maureenandtom said:
"A joint decision was made by the Police and Council Senior Management to install these barriers following the bad experience we had from travellers in August 2017, when most of the town’s pubs and cafes had to close for fear of safety of their staff and customers. The previous night they have received abuse and harassment, with travellers demanding free drinks, food and also money."

It looks rather like this town had a particularly rough time of it in 2017. We're always anxious to believe stories like this. I can't find any record of it being published anywhere - local press and the like. Unless anyone can find it, it rather looks like the excuses other councils have given of hundreds of complaints about motorhomers leaving rubbish and worse. Those stories never turned out to be true and maybe this one won't either. I might ask them.
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It happened! Ask a local who lived there then
 
maureenandtom said:
"A joint decision was made by the Police and Council Senior Management to install these barriers following the bad experience we had from travellers in August 2017, when most of the town’s pubs and cafes had to close for fear of safety of their staff and customers. The previous night they have received abuse and harassment, with travellers demanding free drinks, food and also money."

It looks rather like this town had a particularly rough time of it in 2017. We're always anxious to believe stories like this. I can't find any record of it being published anywhere - local press and the like. Unless anyone can find it, it rather looks like the excuses other councils have given of hundreds of complaints about motorhomers leaving rubbish and worse. Those stories never turned out to be true and maybe this one won't either. I might ask them.
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Same as you, nothing specific, but I did spot this article for August that year ......

www.thescottishsun.co.uk

Seaside town Cromer placed on 'lockdown' amid scenes of mass disorder - we reveal all

TRAVELLERS were evicted from a sleepy seaside town after it was placed on lockdown amid scenes of mass disorder. Cromer in Norfolk was plunged into chaos as police were called to a series of incide…
www.thescottishsun.co.uk www.thescottishsun.co.uk
 
Edina said:
It happened! Ask a local who lived there then
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Pity then that nothing remains of what must have been reported. But maybe I will ask. I might also ask if criminal acts were dealt with in the proper manner using the criminal justice system. That is, charge offenders with crimes, convict them if guilty, and let the rest of us law-abiding citizens go about our business unhindered.

It seems to me at least, that it has been decided that the criminal justice system in Norfork is not up to the job of protecting citizens so ban anyone in a high-rise vehicle from car parks. Prevention is better than cure? Really?

Norfolk county council did act legally in some cases by obtaining injunctions agains some encampments. Unfortunately for Norfolk and other like minded authorities the court of appeal has decided such injunctions have no legal force. https://www.libertyhumanrights.org....freedom-of-gypsy-and-traveller-right-to-roam/

So, what do we do? Agree that Travellers do not have legal rights? And whatever we can bring to bear against them is fair? Or do we insist that councils act within the authority granted them by law? But never outside it.
 
Norfolk NewBoy said:
We were at Burnham Overy Staithe a couple of weekends away, with daughter and her family in their campervan. We ordered fish n chips using an app then SiL drove into Wells to collect them for all of us. Fortunately I went with him and he was able to drop me off, circle the town a couple of times and pick me up after I rang him.

Gordon

There was an almost invisible sign saying "orders please use the exit door": I automatically joined the standard queue.
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Good idea I will look up the app.

Unfortunately the queue at the chippy can be very long - what was the queue for orders like?
 
Robmac said:
Good idea I will look up the app.

Unfortunately the queue at the chippy can be very long - what was the queue for orders like?
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Straight through!
Select your pick-up time in a 15min window (from memory). Announce that you have arrived and your order is next to be made-up. Paid by card.

Gordon
 
Norfolk NewBoy said:
Straight through!
Select your pick-up time in a 15min window (from memory). Announce that you have arrived and your order is next to be made-up. Paid by card.

Gordon
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Thanks for that, I've queued for ages outside there before now!
 
maureenandtom said:
"A joint decision was made by the Police and Council Senior Management to install these barriers following the bad experience we had from travellers in August 2017, when most of the town’s pubs and cafes had to close for fear of safety of their staff and customers. The previous night they have received abuse and harassment, with travellers demanding free drinks, food and also money."

It looks rather like this town had a particularly rough time of it in 2017. We're always anxious to believe stories like this. I can't find any record of it being published anywhere - local press and the like. Unless anyone can find it, it rather looks like the excuses other councils have given of hundreds of complaints about motorhomers leaving rubbish and worse. Those stories never turned out to be true and maybe this one won't either. I might ask them.
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We have some very close friends who live in Aylmerton who told us some years ago, about how the entire region of the coastline running along from almost Cromer right through almost to Hunstanton, where residents were almost held to ransom by the Traveller Community who decided to move into the area!

There are other quite extensive areas in the Country where similar things have happened and yet their councils have been virtually powerless to do anything!
 
What really annoyed us was that, at the coach park, there was actually an attendant who was there to raise the barrier for coaches.....I can understand that they had a nasty time in 2017, but there have been years since. A bit of discretion could be applied or an area allocated for high vehicles with pay to leave barriers. We have been in winter and no barriers in place, do travellers not come in winter??
 
I've read the newspaper report and the locals must have had a dreadful time of it. Quarter of a million visitors in one go to a town with a normal population of less than 8000. In that Quarter of a Million visitors were at least 23 Traveller Caravans and at least 40 Travellers.

Without getting heated; what's the general view? The locals had a very rough time four years ago. Maybe the measures worked and there has been peace since. Does that justify the council breaking national law? Can we allow local authorities to decide for themselves what law to obey?

I have this feeling that we are a civilised society with rule of law. This council seems to have broken one of our fundamental laws. There is to be no discrimination on certain grounds - one of those grounds is race. Travellers, in law, are a protected ethnicity. It would be for a court to decide whether racial discrimination laws had been broken. I think they have been. Should the council be prosecuted or should we be thankful that here we have a council willing to stand up to those despicable people who call themselves Travellers? What other laws will an embolden council feel itself able to ignore? Abolish all laws and let local officials decide what law is?

With apologies and thanks to Martin Niemoller

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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