Vaccine

[tidewatcher]

Spent all my life in engineering, aviation, production then medical. The vaccine has been in development since the genetic code was first unravelled. It is not hard to imagine at that point what the distribution and handling problems will be although the -70 requirement would have been a curved ball for the Pfizer one. So transport, glass vials, labels, plastic caps, syringes would all have been predictable. You don’t often see a major car manufacturer building a new model with only one headlight.........

 

[Tezza33]

My MIL aged 95 has had a phone call from her Doctors this morning asking if she can get to the surgery at 13.34 for her covid-19 jab, she phoned her son who lives 7 miles who said it was too short notice and he was busy, so she phoned the surgery back and said she had no way of getting there so they arranged a car to pick her up.
If I post what I really think of him I will be unable to post for a while

 

[mariesnowgoose]

My MIL aged 95 has had a phone call from her Doctors this morning asking if she can get to the surgery at 13.34 for her covid-19 jab, she phoned her son who lives 7 miles who said it was too short notice and he was busy, so she phoned the surgery back and said she had no way of getting there so they arranged a car to pick her up.
If I post what I really think of him I will be unable to post for a while

Family, ey?

Pretty damn good of the surgery to pick her up though. Well done!

Has she remembered to cut him out of her will?

 

[jagmanx]

As Victor would say "I don't belive it !"
Excellent by the surgery/driver.
Son should go in for a certain operation !..Without anaesthetic

Nures Nurse I said remove his spectacles !...an old but appropriate joke.

 

[Tezza33]

Family, ey?

Pretty damn good of the surgery to pick her up though. Well done!

Has she remembered to cut him out of her will?

As Victor would say "I don't belive it !"
Excellent by the surgery/driver.
Son should go in for a certain operation !..Without anaesthetic

Nures Nurse I said remove his spectacles !...an old but appropriate joke.

She had an appointment at the hospital yesterday to have dressings changed on her foot and he told her he couldn't take her because they are in lockdown, she called the hospital and cancelled but they said it has to be changed and cleaned so they rearranged the appointment and booked a taxi, he shouted at her and said "you are not going in a taxi it isn't safe, I will take you", Maggy wants to keep the peace while her Mum is alive so I am under strict instructions not to say anything but it is difficult

 

[mariesnowgoose]

She had an appointment at the hospital yesterday to have dressings changed on her foot and he told her he couldn't take her because they are in lockdown, she called the hospital and cancelled but they said it has to be changed and cleaned so they rearranged the appointment and booked a taxi, he shouted at her and said "you are not going in a taxi it isn't safe, I will take you", Maggy wants to keep the peace while her Mum is alive so I am under strict instructions not to say anything but it is difficult

Shame some minor ops are on hold.

I'm with Phil. De-nadding sounds like a good way to go. We'll hold him down...!

 

[yorkslass]

His nibs came back from his mother's in Middlesbrough last night.
She has been telling him that it's possible I might be offered the vaccine when I go in for my treatment tomorrow at the Freeman.

Now that would be something!

Ain't holding my breath though...

i thought that yesterday marie........nothing was mentioned........apart from me asking if it would interfer with treatment in any way...........however..you never know Freeman may be super efficient....good luck

Been at st james today but nothing mentioned.......I did hope.

 

[jagmanx]

She had an appointment at the hospital yesterday to have dressings changed on her foot and he told her he couldn't take her because they are in lockdown, she called the hospital and cancelled but they said it has to be changed and cleaned so they rearranged the appointment and booked a taxi, he shouted at her and said "you are not going in a taxi it isn't safe, I will take you", Maggy wants to keep the peace while her Mum is alive so I am under strict instructions not to say anything but it is difficult

 

[REC]

Mum had her second vaccination cancelled and new date to be advised. But whatever % figure they have decided, it will protect her more than none. Flu vaccination only gives 60% protection. Mum in laws second one should be today but haven't heard if not going ahead yet.

Edit...it went ahead, no problems at all!

 

[mfw]

Spent all my life in engineering, aviation, production then medical. The vaccine has been in development since the genetic code was first unravelled. It is not hard to imagine at that point what the distribution and handling problems will be although the -70 requirement would have been a curved ball for the Pfizer one. So transport, glass vials, labels, plastic caps, syringes would all have been predictable. You don’t often see a major car manufacturer building a new model with only one headlight.........

But you still have to start in a small scale then a pilot plant and a full scale bulk production plant and it doesn't always work - and that is not taking the hours it takes to grow the sterile seed from frozen stage to maybe a 100 thousand litre fermentation vessel without contamination and there is still a lot more processing to get to final stage usage

 

[tidewatcher]

But you still have to start in a small scale then a pilot plant and a full scale bulk production plant and it doesn't always work - and that is not taking the hours it takes to grow the sterile seed from frozen stage to maybe a 100 thousand litre fermentation vessel without contamination and there is still a lot more processing to get to final stage usage

I am not questioning the production of the vaccine, I am questioning why the distribution and logistics systems were not started and developed in parallel from the same time. It seems that until a vaccine appeared to be viable nothing was done rather than accepting a risk and developing those systems to ensure they were in place when a vaccine arrived.

 

[mfw]

I am not questioning the production of the vaccine, I am questioning why the distribution and logistics systems were not started and developed in parallel from the same time. It seems that until a vaccine appeared to be viable nothing was done rather than accepting a risk and developing those systems to ensure they were in place when a vaccine arrived.

Think you are right but no-one could of predicted how far out of control it would get or the adaptability of the virus to adapt

 

[tidewatcher]

Think you are right but no-one could of predicted how far out of control it would get or the adaptability of the virus to adapt

Agreed. The speed of vaccine development was stunning but this bug is still one step ahead at the moment, programmed to survive. Let’s thank all involved for some truly ground breaking research.

 

[trevskoda]

One chap in my street has had his jab, two other have got the bug, others have phoned there doc to be told there are no vacines in N Ireland as yet, seems like the normal mishmash to me .

 

[yorkieowl]

Hubby talking to his aunt yesterday, she’s 90 had her first jab just before Xmas, due 2nd on the 13th Jan, she hasn’t been told it’s been cancelled yet, so fingers crossed. She wasn’t sure if his other aunt who’s 99 in a care home with dementia, has had one as she hates jabs, and would never even have the flu jab.

 

[colinm]

But you still have to start in a small scale then a pilot plant and a full scale bulk production plant and it doesn't always work - and that is not taking the hours it takes to grow the sterile seed from frozen stage to maybe a 100 thousand litre fermentation vessel without contamination and there is still a lot more processing to get to final stage usage

Right now there is enough bulk of AstraZeneca vaccine in the country to last 3 months or more at 1million doses per week, but it needs to be bottled checked and distributed.

 

[yorkslass]

Thankfully the army has been called in. They do logistics amazingly.....Don't know why they wern't used sooner........though they do need the product ready. I bet if they had been called earlier, we would have vials, needles and everything else ready to go,

 

[izwozral]

Just heard Grant Shapps say that a covid variant in South Africa and Brazil could effect the efficacy of the current vaccines. Did a quick search on Google and Shapps statement is backed up by some scientists.

EDIT: Scientist in Texas say that the Phizer vaccine does protect against the new variant.

 

[QFour]

I think Wild Camping members should be an exception and be given the vaccine ASAP. Listening to the news Footballers and others think they are special cases. The football manager actually said it would be cheaper than his players having 3 or 4 tests a week. Everyone is having to obey essential travel only rules yet you have buses travelling around the Uk so 22 blokes can kick a football around for 90 minutes.

 

[izwozral]

I think Wild Camping members should be an exception and be given the vaccine ASAP. Listening to the news Footballers and others think they are special cases. The football manager actually said it would be cheaper than his players having 3 or 4 tests a week. Everyone is having to obey essential travel only rules yet you have buses travelling around the Uk so 22 blokes can kick a football around for 90 minutes.

Sean Dyche the Burnley football manager went right down in my estimation.