Travel to the EU after January 1st

mariesnowgoose said:
This 90 day ruling thingamabob surely only applies to those who are lucky enough to have enough leisure time (and money) to spend such long periods of time overseas? i.e. retirees or rich b-stewards who don't have to work... šŸ˜ ;)
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A lot like me took a gamble and gave work up early - time is my own now i can do what i want - had company pension scheme that i took at 56 lost half of it due to taking early - but it certainly is not a rich persons only thing - it is cheap and if you want to do it while you still can ( age wise ) you have to take risks - and i get nothing off the state not even old enough to claim state pension
 
Yes , similar here .We would really struggle to live in the UK (we know when we return for a few weeks) but can live reasonably well with the lower costs in Spain. Still skint at the end of the month though !
 
It is a very big step to give up stability and financial security for what we "hope" is a better way of life. Never regretted it ourselves, but we were lucky in that I gave up work gradually and did agency for a few years. All precipitated by serious illness, we decided it was as risky planning to do it all " in the future" as going for it. Got to wait another two years for my state pension...lost a lot of occupational pension. But saving on the cost of working makes up for it a bit. Gone a bit off thread here! :ROFLMAO: :rolleyes:
 
I dont see how the 90 in 180 Schengen rule is going to be dodged by individual countries , as the clock starts and ends at UK border , and anything over 90 will likely trigger alarm and require explaining how the two dates are 90+ apart ? If they don't have an exit logged elsewhere within the 90 eg Morocco
 
As goods are allowed to freely travel between uk and europe and drivers spend a lot of time there if were lucky the eu may give us more than 90 days but time will tell
 
I suspect there will be exemptions for essential travel ( eg lorry drivers, etc) probably arranged by governments or dealt with by essential travel visas. The whole of the Schengen area and borders will be linked by their new computer system, which will include handheld devices so police/ customs can check the status of third country nationals found within the area. Each individual country will be at liberty to deal with infringements of the 90 day rules as they see fit as long as the basic guidelines are adhered to, so, staying longer than your allotted time will not be possible, even though some think it wonā€™t happen.
The main reasons for the new Schengen computer system is to secure the borders against terrorism, illegal entry and overstaying, whether on holiday or not.
 
mfw said:
As goods are allowed to freely travel between uk and europe and drivers spend a lot of time there if were lucky the eu may give us more than 90 days but time will tell
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But they are not! Freedom of movement ends on December 31st, not only for people but also for goods. The deal that has been done means that many (but not all) goods will be tariff free but it does not mean that they can be shipped freely. There will be a lot of extra checks and paperwork and thus a lot of delays, at least initially as people get used to the new system.
 
John H said:
But they are not! Freedom of movement ends on December 31st, not only for people but also for goods. The deal that has been done means that many (but not all) goods will be tariff free but it does not mean that they can be shipped freely. There will be a lot of extra checks and paperwork and thus a lot of delays, at least initially as people get used to the new system.
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I wondered about this. As it appears our government have done nothing or at least not much to prepare for having to deal with a massive amount of checks and red tape is the outgoing flow of traffic going to be far worse than the incoming? I think they promised 3000-5000 new customs officers but have only recruited 16. This suggests its going to be business as usual for incoming and no checks will be made but it wont be the case the other way around I am sure as the EU and the French will be keen to protect their single market. The point being, there is going to be massive delays getting onto Ferries leaving the UK. How will this effect none commercial traffic, as in us motorhomers? Will there be a lane on the M20 open just for us or will we be stuck up the back of the Queue somewhere near the M25?
 
C H A O S. This time planned well ahead but with little guidance or advice.
Despite the fact that the UK powers were also presumably ware that "no Deal" was a possibility.
No doubt an acute shortage of suitably employed and trained staff as well !
 
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John H said:
But they are not! Freedom of movement ends on December 31st, not only for people but also for goods. The deal that has been done means that many (but not all) goods will be tariff free but it does not mean that they can be shipped freely. There will be a lot of extra checks and paperwork and thus a lot of delays, at least initially as people get used to the new system.
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So youre saying a small transport business that moves items to and from europe is no longer going to be allowed to do it and will therefore go out of business - and ultimately you looking at a level playing field so are eu drivers restricted to the same rule over here
 
mfw said:
So youre saying a small transport business that moves items to and from europe is no longer going to be allowed to do it and will therefore go out of business - and ultimately you looking at a level playing field so are eu drivers restricted to the same rule over here
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No, that is not what I am saying. You said that goods were travelling freely. I pointed out that they are travelling but not freely.
 
oppy said:
What about our gallons of wine in the back of the van (helping keep the back wheels stable !!), will we going back to the old way do you think?
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The new limits have been announced and you will be allowed up to 18 litres of wine each so to maximise the amount you need to squeeze more people into your vehicle! :)
 
John H said:
No, that is not what I am saying. You said that goods were travelling freely. I pointed out that they are travelling but not freely.
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Both viewing this differently - i'm saying that to keep drivers and businesses going you may find that they alter the 90/180 rule looking at the level playing field as well - no-one knows what will really happen in the next few months but it may become a necessity for the transport hub therefore opening the door to everyone and just requiring people to prove they can afford to stay ie a regular income work or pension income
 
I wonder if the GB reg plates will still be ok . or back to the good old GB sticker on the back of your van
 
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