Travel to the EU after January 1st

No-one knows but your right with worst case scenario escorted to airport put on plane forced to put van in storage until you can again collect it could cost a small fortune
 
QFour said:
What happens with the 90 day rule. Surely you cannot just stay as long as you like unless you have EU passports. Authorities will surely look at 1st Jan as start of 90 day rule. Overstaying the 90 days in 180 could be very expensive and also lead to a ban from travelling.
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If you test positive and are not allowed to travel, that counts as a "force majeure" (exceptional circumstance beyond your control) and that is one of the stated conditions in which you are allowed to overstay the 90 days.
 
John H said:
If you test positive and are not allowed to travel, that counts as a "force majeure" (exceptional circumstance beyond your control) and that is one of the stated conditions in which you are allowed to overstay the 90 days.
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This would only apply if you caught the virus. You cannot just continue travelling around. Hate to think how you argue that one out at the French border into the Uk. You are going to need a shed load of documentation to prove you could not travel which could be in Spanish, Portuguese, German, Italian, Greek or French
 
People have been able to dodge the 72 hour test applied to travellers by air when travelling from UK but this loophole is now being closed. In the original lockdowns in March the repatriation by air scenario was mooted in Spain but never enacted.
 
QFour said:
What happens with the 90 day rule. Surely you cannot just stay as long as you like unless you have EU passports. Authorities will surely look at 1st Jan as start of 90 day rule. Overstaying the 90 days in 180 could be very expensive and also lead to a ban from travelling.
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we have residence in Portugal so can stay here as long as we want. Just outside Portugal limited to Schengen rules.
Maybe you need to read the whole thread as this has already been stated several times? Not just " travelling round" ;)
 
QFour said:
This would only apply if you caught the virus. You cannot just continue travelling around. Hate to think how you argue that one out at the French border into the Uk. You are going to need a shed load of documentation to prove you could not travel which could be in Spanish, Portuguese, German, Italian, Greek or French
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If you read my post I started it by saying "if you test positive" which covers everything you say.
 
If one was driving back from Portugal / Spain we would need a test done in France to fulfil the 72hrs criteria. If tested positive, wonder how that would be dealt with...we would have to remain in van in France at the border?
Obviously the 90 day rule would be suspended but the logistics of staying could be interesting. We will, if the test is still required on our return, isolate completely for at least ten days before we leave, and the isolation would continue on the journey so shouldn't be a problem for us. But others may not do that.
 
REC said:
If one was driving back from Portugal / Spain we would need a test done in France to fulfil the 72hrs criteria. If tested positive, wonder how that would be dealt with...we would have to remain in van in France at the border?
Obviously the 90 day rule would be suspended but the logistics of staying could be interesting. We will, if the test is still required on our return, isolate completely for at least ten days before we leave, and the isolation would continue on the journey so shouldn't be a problem for us. But others may not do that.
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I am assuming that if you test positive but are asymptomatic then you have to isolate for 10 days and then have another test; if you test positive and have symptoms, you may need hospital treatment - but if we do test positive when leaving at the end of March, I also assume that the test centre will advise us on what to do. Like you, we intend to self-isolate prior to travelling north and so should test negative.

Some friends of ours had problems on the way out here because Spain insisted on a negative test 72 hours before arrival, which was a tight squeeze on a two night ferry! They resorted to coming via France instead. The good news about the UK test is that they seem to be asking for it to be taken 72 hours before departure, which makes life very much easier. If they later change that to arrival, we may have to change the ferry and go via France.
 
Decided to make my own. Probably not legal though but I don't care because I'm suffering from lockdown fatigue
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I was hoping you could have a Welsh flag with GB underneath but it seems this is not a legal combination and neither, of course, is the Welsh flag with CYM (Cymru)
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John H said:
I am assuming that if you test positive but are asymptomatic then you have to isolate for 10 days and then have another test; if you test positive and have symptoms, you may need hospital treatment - but if we do test positive when leaving at the end of March, I also assume that the test centre will advise us on what to do. Like you, we intend to self-isolate prior to travelling north and so should test negative.

Some friends of ours had problems on the way out here because Spain insisted on a negative test 72 hours before arrival, which was a tight squeeze on a two night ferry! They resorted to coming via France instead. The good news about the UK test is that they seem to be asking for it to be taken 72 hours before departure, which makes life very much easier. If they later change that to arrival, we may have to change the ferry and go via France.
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My slight concern is that I would have to find somewhere ensure to be tested as three days might be cutting it fine from here....having to get it done and get result back before leaving. Might have to stop in Spain and get an overnight one done then get on our way to the tunnel pronto! Hopefully it may not be an issue but I like to plan! Of course we could just stay until June! ;) And hope at least an organised list of places to be tested, ( a bit like the Calais vets!!)
 
REC said:
If one was driving back from Portugal / Spain we would need a test done in France to fulfil the 72hrs criteria. If tested positive, wonder how that would be dealt with...we would have to remain in van in France at the border?
Obviously the 90 day rule would be suspended but the logistics of staying could be interesting. We will, if the test is still required on our return, isolate completely for at least ten days before we leave, and the isolation would continue on Germant the journey so shouldn't be a problem for us. But others may not do that.
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Ruth, your post has prompted me to consider similar problems if you want to do even a mini-tour of Europe.
I suspect (and recent moves by many countries imply) that a Fit to Travel document (ie a covid test) will often be needed.
So for those statring from UK such a document will be needed to cross the channel.
So you are in France and could tour France for up to 90 days and get a "French Covid Test" done to allow return to UK.
BUT what if you want to venture into Spain after say 1 month ? Would you need a test ? and again when returning to France after say a month ?
Early days yet but what if you have had the vaccine (& certificate) would that allow you to "bypass the test" ..I suspect not !

Even worse what if you plan to go to Scandinavia driving via France Belgium Germany and then crossing borders within Scandinavia
Much too early for any answers but unpleasant food for thought.
Maybe Ruth will be ok with a Fit to Travel test in Portugal to get them into Spain and then (just) into France..With another test for returning to UK

What happens if one of a couple fail a test ? but are otherwise able to travel (ie not too ill)
I feel a migraine coming on !!!!
 
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jagmanx said:
Ruth, your post has prompted me to consider similar problems if you want to do even a mini-tour of Europe.
I suspect (and recent moves by many countries imply) that a Fit to Travel document (ie a covid test) will often be needed.
So for those statring from UK such a document will be needed to cross the channel.
So you are in France and could tour France for up to 90 days and get a "French Covid Test" done to allow return to UK.
BUT what if you want to venture into Spain after say 1 month ? Would you need a test ? and again when returning to France after say a month ?
Early days yet but what if you have had the vaccine (& certificate) would that allow you to "bypass the test" ..I suspect not !

Even worse what if you plan to go to Scandinavia driving via France Belgium Germany and then crossing borders within Scandinavia
Much too early for any answers but unpleasant food for thought.
Maybe Ruth will be ok with a Fit to Travel test in Portugal to get them into Spain and then (just) into France..With another test for returning to UK

What happens if one of a couple fail a test ? but are otherwise able to travel (ie not too ill)
I feel a migraine coming on !!!!
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I think the pragmatic answer would be not to travel (unless absolutely essential/unavoidable), at least until things settle down and we can see a working path ahead for everyone?
 
REC said:
My slight concern is that I would have to find somewhere ensure to be tested as three days might be cutting it fine from here....having to get it done and get result back before leaving. Might have to stop in Spain and get an overnight one done then get on our way to the tunnel pronto! Hopefully it may not be an issue but I like to plan! Of course we could just stay until June! ;) And hope at least an organised list of places to be tested, ( a bit like the Calais vets!!)
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I don't know but I assume that there will be places to get tested close to the ferry/tunnel, which means that time will not be a problem. We are booked from Bilbao at the end of March and when it gets close to the time, I will get Reception at the campsite to phone up and book us in so that language isn't a problem. Mind you, by then the world could be a very different place!
 
jagmanx said:
Yes as time goes on testing facilties will exist..a good earner !
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Always new ways to make money for entrepreneurs!!
I am sure by the time we are thinking of going back, there will be something organised and @jagmanx concerns will be dealt with! At least I hope so. Being away so long increases the risk that something ( someone) in UK will need us and we are always aware that we may have to dash back, but no point trying to forsee too far into the future....don't know about migraine, might end up with meltdown!
 
Yep, time will ease things (probably).
We hope you will not need an unsceduled return to UK.. No real prospect of a jab here for many months.
Maybe Uk and a jab in May.
Patience needed...but we seem ol here.
Just got back from a local market...Sanitiser, no mask = no entry. They record tel nos as well !
 
Aircrew have been taking these tests regularly for nearly a year now, depending on their destination. They are certainly not infallible tests and after a negative test before departure a few have subsequently failed a test on arrival at their destination with unpleasant consequences. In some places even after passing the second test on arrival they are taken to a nearby hotel where their room key works once only to ensure that they remain in the room for the duration of the stay with food being delivered to the room.
As far as any passengers go most destinations seem to put any arrival failures in quarantine in a hotel at their own expense.
 
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