The Price of Processed

[trixie88]

Ok so i know about the porky over eaters but im as fit as a fiddle and can carry a car engine ,so what i have had 3 minor strokes and now there sending me for the tread mill to test hart.
My doctor who play ruger and does the belfast marathon & others has just had a triple bypass,50% is the dna from parents and back further.
Mind you this is no excuse for what i see going into folks shopping trols in asda/tesco,why do they require 10 bottles of coke 2 cartons of bear ,vodka, wine and the compulsory carton of fags and a very small amount of food which is mostly package crap as they wheeze there way on the dla walking stick to the c/out.

TOO ALL YOU YOUNG MEN (at head and heart) out there, WORD OF WARNING. you maybe able to do all this weight lifting, however, REM
RE
REMEMBER your back bones are not as strong or dense as they used to be////....they can crack and fracture without warning.

THEN YOU ARE UP THE CREAK WITHOUT A PADDLE.......I know to my peril.

please be careful and take care

 

[Wooie1958]

Medical fact if you drinking more than 3 pints a week then you are classed as a alco and should seek help,my mate sinks at least 16 pints a night,me 2 in last year.

Not looking good for me then :scared:

I sought help with my drinking but they told me that i had to go and buy my own from the supermarket :sad:

 

[Deleted member 13543]

Try reading Zoe Harcombes book, I found it a good read, and her diet worked for us, although due to health problems I let it slide, and have gained a lot of weight, and am finding it difficult to get fully back into, but our diet even now, is much better than before.

Thank you for that, Yorkieowl, I've downloaded 2 of her books, and am currently reading Diet & Health Today - Volume 1. It confirms what I already suspected - that the advice for diabetic diets is not only misleading, but dangerous! We are being encouraged to eat the worst possible thing for our health, carbohydrates!! I'm also glad I refused to take statins, as lowering your cholesterol levels is MORE likely to lead to heart problems, not the other way round! Bring on the butter!!

I don't know when we will actually embark on the actual diet, but we will certainly try to cut down the highly processed carbs, and eat more protein and vegetables. My husband is delighted, as now he thinks he can have streaky (belly) pork and savoy cabbage to his heart's content, and it will do less harm than his beloved saffron cakes!!

 

[yorkslass]

Thank you for that, Yorkieowl, I've downloaded 2 of her books, and am currently reading Diet & Health Today - Volume 1. It confirms what I already suspected - that the advice for diabetic diets is not only misleading, but dangerous! We are being encouraged to eat the worst possible thing for our health, carbohydrates!! I'm also glad I refused to take statins, as lowering your cholesterol levels is MORE likely to lead to heart problems, not the other way round! Bring on the butter!!

I don't know when we will actually embark on the actual diet, but we will certainly try to cut down the highly processed carbs, and eat more protein and vegetables. My husband is delighted, as now he thinks he can have streaky (belly) pork and savoy cabbage to his heart's content, and it will do less harm than his beloved saffron cakes!!

Reading's the easy bit :goodluck:

I also said no to statins. I think they may have a use if you have heart problems, but not before.

 

[Ed on Toast]

What a great and informative thread.

It has gone of a most interesting and challenging wander, that i had hoped.

Thank you to all who have answered my initial question AND many, many more i had not thought of.

I really feel a 'Cook n Show' meet in the future.

Obviously, before that can happen i need to find a recipe for a healthy pie, served in a pub..... but i am currently researching it

:nicethread:

 

[Channa]

I accept diet and exercise are intrinsically linked, but you might find this interesting it is often called the French Paradox, a bit of a long read but stick with it

French paradox - Wikipedia

I find this part particularly interesting, How much do lifestyle choices or indeed for a lot are not choices but inflicted upon us by our social norms

"
The French are well known [according to whom?] for leading lifestyles that are relatively lower in stress when compared to the US and other cultures. They take long lunch breaks where they connect with friends and family, along with longer vacations in the summer.[vague] They have a controversial 35-hour work week. All of these result in a less stressed populace. Some scientists theorize heart disease is strongly linked to an overactive sympathetic nervous system (which can be triggered by stress), and this may also in part explain why beta blockers have been shown to reduce mortality in heart patients by blocking the stress hormone, adrenaline."

I suppose I am suggesting a lot of our eating habits are borne from our social circumstances which are far reaching, our housing and neighbourhood, expected work practises. Does stress in some way influence our diets and it interacts somehow in a negative way with stress.?

Possibly ? one of the things to consider re diet is the impact of our lifestyles.

Channa

 

[Channa]

I agree David, In my mind social factors and expectations in UK culture add pressure to how people lead their lives. Can you imagine suggesting we take a two hour lunch break ? you would be flogged , people stuff a sandwich whilst working still, Why ? martyrs or slaves to the cause ? Non of it makes sense. there needs to be a balance something which the brits as a rule don't understand

Channa

 

[Private]

Pampered

Most people pamper themselves too much with food; a doctrine currently in full flow supported by celebrity chefs. It's not a treat, it's a necessity to live.
We often cook once (fresh food) and eat the same prepared meal up to 3 meals running (barring breakfast); something many scoff at (excuse the pun). Saves time, cost and eliminates the feeling of needing to eat it all at once to prevent wastage.
Food is fuel, being alive is the pleasure.

 

[Caz]

Posted by Richard Gere on his facebook page today:

"My friend's mom has eaten healthy all her life. Never ever consumed alcohol or any "bad" food, exercised every day, very limber, very active, took all supplements suggested by her doctor, never went in the sun without sunscreen and when she did it was for as short a period as possible- so pretty much she protected her health with the utmost that anyone could. She is now 76 and has skin cancer, bone marrow cancer and extreme osteoporosis.
My friend's father eats bacon on top of bacon, butter on top of butter, fat on top of fat, never and I mean never exercised, was out in the sun burnt to a crisp every summer, he basically took the approach to live life to his fullest and not as others suggest. He is 81 and the doctors says his health is that of a young person.
People you cannot hide from your poison. It's out there and it will find you so in the words of my friend's still living mother: " if I would have known my life would end this way I would have lived it more to the fullest enjoying everything I was told not to!"

 

[Channa]

Most people pamper themselves too much with food; a doctrine currently in full flow supported by celebrity chefs. It's not a treat, it's a necessity to live.
We often cook once (fresh food) and eat the same prepared meal up to 3 meals running (barring breakfast); something many scoff at (excuse the pun). Saves time, cost and eliminates the feeling of needing to eat it all at once to prevent wastage.
Food is fuel, being alive is the pleasure.

I think in one paragraph you have condensed all that is wrong !. Food is fuel,being alive is the pleasure, then why shouldn't food be part of that pleasure ? If we cook in a manner to save time , for what reason are we saving that time ? Whilst I respect your outlook I don't understand it but I guess all of us being different adds variety.

I think we all use "leftovers " for the next meal I don't like waste either, But If I am cooking enough for 6 meals you say we so I assume you have a partner, are you perhaps not buying too much ?

As for the celeb chefs I think that is changing , the programmes with Fillet Mignon and a truffle sauce seem over, More likely to see them cooking ox tail or brisket out of fashion cuts that are still tasty.

I lived and worked in France for a while and I do believe they have got it right , medical people agree the main meal of the day eaten at lunchtime is healthier in the respect our bodies have the remainder of the day to digest properly. That aside , the Med countries particularly seem to make even the modest of meals a social occasion, and they seem to live long and happy lives. Food is a multi fuel that allows being alive a pleasure

Channa

 

[yorkslass]

I think in one paragraph you have condensed all that is wrong !. Food is fuel,being alive is the pleasure, then why shouldn't food be part of that pleasure ? If we cook in a manner to save time , for what reason are we saving that time ? Whilst I respect your outlook I don't understand it but I guess all of us being different adds variety.

I think we all use "leftovers " for the next meal I don't like waste either, But If I am cooking enough for 6 meals you say we so I assume you have a partner, are you perhaps not buying too much ?

As for the celeb chefs I think that is changing , the programmes with Fillet Mignon and a truffle sauce seem over, More likely to see them cooking ox tail or brisket out of fashion cuts that are still tasty.

I lived and worked in France for a while and I do believe they have got it right , medical people agree the main meal of the day eaten at lunchtime is healthier in the respect our bodies have the remainder of the day to digest properly. That aside , the Med countries particularly seem to make even the modest of meals a social occasion, and they seem to live long and happy lives. Food is a multi fuel that allows being alive a pleasure

Channa

Celebrity chefs are a pain in the ar*e. They pick up on cheap cuts, and suddenly they aren't cheap anymore. Nearly need a second mortgage for oxtail and neck of lamb, and if it's prepacked, not enough to feed a mouse.

Have to agree with you about food though, it's one of the pleasures in life.

 

[Myrkk]

Actually, I disagree.
As a fit fat person who exercise 4 nights a week with a healthy diet, it has become apparent I have auto immune issues. It frustrates me when people tell me I just need to eat less. In fact even my GP told me this when I went in with my less than 1200cal/day food diary. Fast forward a year and they've found that although my thyroid shows euthyroid I have an antibody level off the the scale I. E should be less than 5.6 is over 1000. Nothing they can/will do at the moment but it affects my health.
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush. WHAT you put in does not necessarily refect your size

 

[Private]

Meals

I think in one paragraph you have condensed all that is wrong !. Food is fuel,being alive is the pleasure, then why shouldn't food be part of that pleasure ? If we cook in a manner to save time , for what reason are we saving that time ? Whilst I respect your outlook I don't understand it but I guess all of us being different adds variety.

I think we all use "leftovers " for the next meal I don't like waste either, But If I am cooking enough for 6 meals you say we so I assume you have a partner, are you perhaps not buying too much ?

As for the celeb chefs I think that is changing , the programmes with Fillet Mignon and a truffle sauce seem over, More likely to see them cooking ox tail or brisket out of fashion cuts that are still tasty.

I lived and worked in France for a while and I do believe they have got it right , medical people agree the main meal of the day eaten at lunchtime is healthier in the respect our bodies have the remainder of the day to digest properly. That aside , the Med countries particularly seem to make even the modest of meals a social occasion, and they seem to live long and happy lives. Food is a multi fuel that allows being alive a pleasure

Channa

I should probably have written 'meals' as opposed to food.
Of course eating food can be a real pleasure. Meals are a necessity but eating them for pleasure is not, in my view. I don't choose to watch celeb food TV but when I see snippets they always seem to be adding unnecessary ingredients to simple foods which loads them with calories. For example adding cream to main/savoury meals seems madness to me. Even adding butter to potatoes is unnecessary, never mind the cream. Potatoes washed, cooked, served works well enough.
I understand if cooking is someone's pleasure then they will wish to experiment and the enjoyment is as much in the preparation as the eating. For most though, eating is just a necessity & people should not be feeling the pressure that is currently being applied to over complicate meals.
If you look at the recipes in old cooking books they are far simpler & less ingredient laden. Yes, mashed potato can have cream added to make it tastier and roast potatoes can be covered in goose fat for extra flavour but it is all less healthy yet sold to us that way almost every time now. Just Google (I actually used Ecosia) "mashed potato" and the BBC recipe comes almost top of the search & it includes butter & double cream. ( BBC Food - Recipes - Mashed potatoes )
For restaurants it is essential that their food taste special to make sure you return but for a home made meal the simple, plain recipe should be the norm to save the calorie intake for a genuine, occasional treat, not a daily one.

 

[yorkieowl]

Thank you for that, Yorkieowl, I've downloaded 2 of her books, and am currently reading Diet & Health Today - Volume 1. It confirms what I already suspected - that the advice for diabetic diets is not only misleading, but dangerous! We are being encouraged to eat the worst possible thing for our health, carbohydrates!! I'm also glad I refused to take statins, as lowering your cholesterol levels is MORE likely to lead to heart problems, not the other way round! Bring on the butter!!

I don't know when we will actually embark on the actual diet, but we will certainly try to cut down the highly processed carbs, and eat more protein and vegetables. My husband is delighted, as now he thinks he can have streaky (belly) pork and savoy cabbage to his heart's content, and it will do less harm than his beloved saffron cakes!!

Maybe not belly pork, but we did eat bacon, eggs, and tomatoes every day for breakfast on the diet, as much as we wanted to fill up, and was surprised to find we still lost weight.

 

[Geraldine]

There is also Pink Slime but i left that out as it was dinner time

[video=youtube;jXJSmxi2buc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXJSmxi2buc[/video]

Nicer clip for meal time

This is a good thread.Making us aware of the s**t that goes into processed food.
Hot dog is one of the main foods of Iceland at 400 kronor cheaper than chips at 1100 K
I had one while out there only after reading reviews that the main meat was lamb.
Not too sure now!

 

[Robmac]

Thank you for that, Yorkieowl, I've downloaded 2 of her books, and am currently reading Diet & Health Today - Volume 1. It confirms what I already suspected - that the advice for diabetic diets is not only misleading, but dangerous! We are being encouraged to eat the worst possible thing for our health, carbohydrates!! I'm also glad I refused to take statins, as lowering your cholesterol levels is MORE likely to lead to heart problems, not the other way round! Bring on the butter!!

I don't know when we will actually embark on the actual diet, but we will certainly try to cut down the highly processed carbs, and eat more protein and vegetables. My husband is delighted, as now he thinks he can have streaky (belly) pork and savoy cabbage to his heart's content, and it will do less harm than his beloved saffron cakes!!

I recently took myself off of Statins. I was getting giddy spells all the time and suffered from Gout.

Since stopping the Statins, both have gone and I've never felt better.

 

[Channa]

I should probably have written 'meals' as opposed to food.
Of course eating food can be a real pleasure. Meals are a necessity but eating them for pleasure is not, in my view. I don't choose to watch celeb food TV but when I see snippets they always seem to be adding unnecessary ingredients to simple foods which loads them with calories. For example adding cream to main/savoury meals seems madness to me. Even adding butter to potatoes is unnecessary, never mind the cream. Potatoes washed, cooked, served works well enough.
I understand if cooking is someone's pleasure then they will wish to experiment and the enjoyment is as much in the preparation as the eating. For most though, eating is just a necessity & people should not be feeling the pressure that is currently being applied to over complicate meals.
If you look at the recipes in old cooking books they are far simpler & less ingredient laden. Yes, mashed potato can have cream added to make it tastier and roast potatoes can be covered in goose fat for extra flavour but it is all less healthy yet sold to us that way almost every time now. Just Google (I actually used Ecosia) "mashed potato" and the BBC recipe comes almost top of the search & it includes butter & double cream. ( BBC Food - Recipes - Mashed potatoes )
For restaurants it is essential that their food taste special to make sure you return but for a home made meal the simple, plain recipe should be the norm to save the calorie intake for a genuine, occasional treat, not a daily one.

I find your observations interesting, and to an extent I agree with you. One chef I have immense respect for is Marco Pierre White for several reasons. He openly states a recipe is a set of guidleines add or remove ingredients to taste. That to me makes complete sense.

Whether we like it or not British food restaurant level at least is heavily influenced by the French, Early 20 th Century Auguste Escoffier revolutionised the industry in lots of ways introducing the idea of line chefs etc,That's before we talk of his influence on food. I think it is also fair to say that until recently most catering colleges used his work as a template A lot still do. No two ways about it Roux family, MPW, Ramsey Rhodes Turner Martin and countless others we don't see on tv are from the era that where ever they trained Escoffier was an influence.

Butter and cream therefore historically are staple ingredients in the kitchen, a lot of sauces use them as a base etc. But this leads me back to the question How come we have the French Paradox with lower incidence of obesity and heart diseases etc. I accept there are arguments it is an illusion in the context of how data is collected, that is a discussion in itself.

I suppose what I am trying to suggest or asking is whether there is a link between our modern lifestyles and some of the illness people suffer from.

Does it induce a chemical reaction within the body that the chemical structure of enzymes etc become compromised, and that's what is leading to the problems.

I suspect Bellars is the person best qualified to answer that.

All interesting stuff

Channa

 

[delicagirl]

I find your observations interesting, and to an extent I agree with you. One chef I have immense respect for is Marco Pierre White for several reasons. He openly states a recipe is a set of guidleines add or remove ingredients to taste. That to me makes complete sense.

Whether we like it or not British food restaurant level at least is heavily influenced by the French, Early 20 th Century Auguste Escoffier revolutionised the industry in lots of ways introducing the idea of line chefs etc,That's before we talk of his influence on food. I think it is also fair to say that until recently most catering colleges used his work as a template A lot still do. No two ways about it Roux family, MPW, Ramsey Rhodes Turner Martin and countless others we don't see on tv are from the era that where ever they trained Escoffier was an influence.

Butter and cream therefore historically are staple ingredients in the kitchen, a lot of sauces use them as a base etc. But this leads me back to the question How come we have the French Paradox with lower incidence of obesity and heart diseases etc. I accept there are arguments it is an illusion in the context of how data is collected, that is a discussion in itself.

I suppose what I am trying to suggest or asking is whether there is a link between our modern lifestyles and some of the illness people suffer from.

i think

Does it induce a chemical reaction within the body that the chemical structure of enzymes etc become compromised, and that's what is leading to the problems.

I suspect Bellars is the person best qualified to answer that.

All interesting stuff

Channa

i think it is undoubtedly true that lifestyle choices are paramount in attaining good health. One tabloid headline today was about the 75% increase in diabetes type 2. This is almost solely due to poor diet and lack of exercise.

diabetes kills and deaths from it are on the rise - as are limb amputations.

The globesity tragedy is now leading to the diabetes tragedy.

 

[Channa]

I think you make valid points, People jumping in cars 25 degrees set and off they go for a hour or two each day commuting. I am back on the bike , bracing as they say in Skegness but so far no colds,

Back to the food the thing that struck me in France is how many people grow their own vegetables, or keep hens , rabbits etc pour la table .

Not only is it environmentally good, but the traceability of what is eaten is in the garden, I think it is fantastic. neighbours trading too, or arriving with gifts of produce.

tomato fresh from the garden rubbed on bread ,,,,simple and delicious

Do I sound like I miss it ?

Channa

 

[bellars]

Actually, I disagree.
As a fit fat person who exercise 4 nights a week with a healthy diet, it has become apparent I have auto immune issues. It frustrates me when people tell me I just need to eat less. In fact even my GP told me this when I went in with my less than 1200cal/day food diary. Fast forward a year and they've found that although my thyroid shows euthyroid I have an antibody level off the the scale I. E should be less than 5.6 is over 1000. Nothing they can/will do at the moment but it affects my health.
Please do not tar everyone with the same brush. WHAT you put in does not necessarily refect your size

It's becoming increasingly recognised that the gut (small and large intestine) is perhaps the most important organ of the immune sytem. It constantly has to discriminate "friend from foe" not just in the food we consume but from the presence of the trillions of bacteria that reside inside our guts, referred to as our microbiome (or microbiota). Each of us has a unique profile of bacteria made up of many different species (mostly good but some bad), which we usually acquire during vaginal birth and from our immediate, early life environment i.e. mum's skin, etc, so that by the age of 2ish our microbiome's are established and will stay pretty much the same throughout life but becoming less diverse (fewer species) as we age. It is thought that the microbiome is evolutionarily important for maximising the extraction of calories from plant-based, complex carbohydrates as we don't produce the enzymes that can digest these.

There is increasing evidence suggesting that a disturbed microbiome (an oversimplification but too many bad bacteria), a condition referred to as dysbiosis, is associated with many autoimmune conditions. While an association doesn't prove cause and effect, this intriguing observation is receiving a lot of attention. Indeed, there have been some amazing results from experiments with faecal transplantation, particularly in patients suffering from Crohn's disease or Ulcerative colitis (inflammatory bowel diseases), where cure rates approached 90%. This might gross some people out but faecal transplantation involves a course of antibiotics to wipe out the existing microbiome prior to the injection of a healthy donor's poo through a tube into the patient's gut leading to the colonisation of the gut with the new, healthy microbiome and a resolution of the inflammatory condition.

Interestingly, it has been shown that obese individuals have a different microbiome profile from lean individuals leading to the suggestion that their microbiomes may be more efficient at extracting calories. An experiment in mice tantalisingly showed that transplanting the microbiome from obese mice into lean mice induced obesity in those mice despite their diets remaining the same. Unfortunately I can't recall if they did the reverse and cured an obese mouse by transplanting a "lean" microbiome.

These observations have led to a rise in the USA of home experimenters performing faecal transplantations on themselves. I think you can even buy a kit off the internet but this is something I wouldn't recommend. Faeces also contains a lot of undesirables including viruses and those used in the lab-based studies have been extensively purified and profiled. There are of course alternatives, eating a diet containing lots of fibre promotes the growth of good bacteria, there are lots of live yoghurts (probiotics) available but there is still a question mark at how effective they are at (a) reaching the gut and (b) colonising it, there are also complex carbohydrates (prebiotics) available that function like fibre, you can also buy synbiotics which are combinations of probiotics and prebiotics.