MartianTom
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Erm... that sign is actually in the United States...
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Erm... that sign is actually in the United States...
MartianTom
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I think it demonstrates the unique ability of human beings to be creative and spontaneous in their responses to a given subject matter - how the mind works to forge connections between disparate subjects and themes.
Either that or it's just people bending things around to fit in with what they really want to have a rant about...
It's like one of those puzzles... get from 'flowers' to 'grenade' in one move, without changing a single letter in the process...
I've got a friend like that. You can be talking about anything at all: the weather, the Hadron Collider, the quality of underpants... and all of a sudden it's '...as for that bl**dy Cameron...' etc.
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bill scouse
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It's like one of those puzzles... get from 'flowers' to 'grenade' in one move, without changing a single letter in the process...[/QUOTE]
ok i give up. Whats the answer?
Bill
ok i give up. Whats the answer?
Bill
THE LITTLE MUTT
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Maureenandtom..You hit the nail on the head
Thanks Maureenandtom..
After my little tirade yesterday I would like to post some observations, likes & dislikes from our 5 weeks touring in the UK & Europe.
Will start with the UK first.
LIKES..
I would have to say that the UK people are so friendly and obliging it was amazing.
Your roads were in the top 3 countries we drove in and your drivers are the most patient and best we come across.
One thing that we will always remember is the pub food. You don't know how good you have got it. Best quality and value for money from Mousehole to Melrose.
Every inn had local produce as fresh as. Special mentions to Ivy Bridge, Barnstable and the Kilton on Mere in Cheshire.(All were very hospitable and are Wild camping sites).
Another huge tick is your public toilets. How clean can you get them. They were five star everywhere we stopped. The pride the cleaners have in there work is all there to see.
The city of London was the cleanest I have ever been to. Take a bow.
DISLIKES..
Motorhomes are not very welcomed in some spots. In Europe they bend over backwards to get you money into the town.
The public car parks that have height barriers across them during the day with no one in them.
We would have love to stop on the coast road around Hastings way, but every town had these barriers.
Maybe the local businesses should have a say as they all missed out on our money.
OBSERVATIONS..
I notice some negative comments about your lovely country and the notion that it is better in Australia. Believe me, don't hold your breath.
I know lots of Aussie who love it here.
Thanks Maureenandtom..
After my little tirade yesterday I would like to post some observations, likes & dislikes from our 5 weeks touring in the UK & Europe.
Will start with the UK first.
LIKES..
I would have to say that the UK people are so friendly and obliging it was amazing.
Your roads were in the top 3 countries we drove in and your drivers are the most patient and best we come across.
One thing that we will always remember is the pub food. You don't know how good you have got it. Best quality and value for money from Mousehole to Melrose.
Every inn had local produce as fresh as. Special mentions to Ivy Bridge, Barnstable and the Kilton on Mere in Cheshire.(All were very hospitable and are Wild camping sites).
Another huge tick is your public toilets. How clean can you get them. They were five star everywhere we stopped. The pride the cleaners have in there work is all there to see.
The city of London was the cleanest I have ever been to. Take a bow.
DISLIKES..
Motorhomes are not very welcomed in some spots. In Europe they bend over backwards to get you money into the town.
The public car parks that have height barriers across them during the day with no one in them.
We would have love to stop on the coast road around Hastings way, but every town had these barriers.
Maybe the local businesses should have a say as they all missed out on our money.
OBSERVATIONS..
I notice some negative comments about your lovely country and the notion that it is better in Australia. Believe me, don't hold your breath.
I know lots of Aussie who love it here.
Coolasluck
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Well just to wind myself up i watched Panorama this evening to watch what i already knew was rife in this country,what a mess.As soon as i give up paying my taxes all the better and no more funding of assylum seekers and pretend disability seekers who are having the time of their lives.One assylum seeker who was claiming benefits in differant names bleated "you dont know how hard it is ,everything is expensive"
In future i will be seeking cash in the hand work and enjoying the beauty this country has to offer whilst leaving the poor old tax payer and do-gooders to fund our corrupt system that has enjoyed 25 years of bliss and enjoyment for those with whom like to fraudulantly claim tax payers money.
It beggers belief that the goverment has not stamped down on this problem that is hemmoraging billions of tax payers money whilst at the same time screw over alarm clock britain.
Then again you cant be suprised after all we have had our country ran by crooks for well over 30 odd years now.
Roll on fulltiming,where i can leave some of it behind.
In future i will be seeking cash in the hand work and enjoying the beauty this country has to offer whilst leaving the poor old tax payer and do-gooders to fund our corrupt system that has enjoyed 25 years of bliss and enjoyment for those with whom like to fraudulantly claim tax payers money.
It beggers belief that the goverment has not stamped down on this problem that is hemmoraging billions of tax payers money whilst at the same time screw over alarm clock britain.
Then again you cant be suprised after all we have had our country ran by crooks for well over 30 odd years now.
Roll on fulltiming,where i can leave some of it behind.
scotsy
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As someone who lives only about 6 miles south of Bolton (town not city) i can't believe the way the OP spoke about the town seemingly just because he got a parking ticket FOR PARKING ILLEGALLY :idea-007:
It makes no difference wether it was Sunday morning or any other time/day, the warden (ranger?) was doing the job he/she was paid to do. There is plenty of free parking available around the town with a short walk if you don't want to pay
As for the way this thread decended into a verbal diatribe of insults..........................
I've lived here in Leigh for 57 years and i always enjoy a trip to Bolton, especially the road through Daubhill :ninja:
Ian
OP please enjoy the rest of your stay in the UNITED KINGDOM
It makes no difference wether it was Sunday morning or any other time/day, the warden (ranger?) was doing the job he/she was paid to do. There is plenty of free parking available around the town with a short walk if you don't want to pay
As for the way this thread decended into a verbal diatribe of insults..........................
I've lived here in Leigh for 57 years and i always enjoy a trip to Bolton, especially the road through Daubhill :ninja:
Ian
OP please enjoy the rest of your stay in the UNITED KINGDOM
bigpieeater
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This may interest you Tom, it may help with your rather clouded view on numbers.
Why not add up the last 40 years worth of immigrants? It will be a few more than your 206!
Then, read through this...
Border officials have lost track of 124,000 asylum seekers and migrants - a population the size of Cambridge, according to report by MPs.
UK Border Agency figures show the number of cases "lost" has tripled from 40,500 in March.
The Commons Home Affairs Select Committee's report said the so-called controlled archive was being used as a "dumping ground" for cases the agency has given up on.
It lists around 98,000 cases where asylum seekers cannot be found and the agency has no idea whether or not the applicant are still in the UK, legally or otherwise.
The total includes around 26,000 migrants who have overstayed their visas or who have been refused an extension of leave, such as students.
The committee said: "Whilst we appreciate the difficulties involved in tracing people with whom the agency have lost contact, usually for a period of several years, it is clear that the controlled archive has become a dumping ground for cases on which the agency has given up.
"From 18,000 files in November 2010, the archive now contains 124,000 files, roughly equivalent to the population of Cambridge."
Keith Vaz, the committee's chairman, said: "The UK Border Agency is still not providing the efficient, effective service that Parliament expects.
"The Prime Minister himself recently called for members of the public to provide intelligence on immigrants.
"There is little point in encouraging people to do this if the border agency continues to fail to manage the intelligence it receives or to keep track of those who apply to stay."
Shadow immigration minister Chris Bryant said: "These numbers betray a shocking failure at the heart of this Tory-led Government."
bigpieeater
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I wonder if the complaints came from the people who still have their in the sand.
It does seem a shame that, a good healthy debate gets removed all the time when someone who has a strong belief in the topic is penalised because of the 'PC Brigade'
bigpieeater
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BUT, isn't the date still the same in the USA as it is in the UK?
Yes, I believe it is, it is 2011 here as it is there!!!
WAKEY WAKEY!!
MartianTom
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So, how's the NHS going to get paid for? State schooling?
I know... let's privatise them all. Then we could have colostomies brought to you by MacDonald's and geography taught to you by NewsCorp.
bigpieeater
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Don't know if you managed to get your head from out of the sand last night, but, did you watch Panorama last night?
Or is that full of lies too?
MartianTom
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Did you complain, then? Why do you assume the complaints were about you? They may have been about 'wishy-washy liberals'.
Belief... hm... that's an interesting word. People say 'I believe...' this and 'I believe...' that. It's what that person believes, and it may be a belief that is shared by many others. Some people believe that it is right to kill others in the name of their belief. Others believe that forgiveness is the primary human virtue. But beliefs are just that - they're not facts. Same with opinions. Hopefully, beliefs and opinions are things arrived at by a rational consideration of all the arguments put forward in support of or against them. We rationalise. Some of us, though, believe what it suits us to believe. I can't remember who it was said 'You should never expect anyone to accept a belief if their salary depends upon them not accepting it.' Not everyone has such vested interests, of course. Some of us believe one side of a particular argument because we only choose to listen to people who agree with that particular argument, or propound it.
It's not all about being 'PC' - that's so tiresome and lazy a dismissal. It's another catch-all, like 'Health and Safety'. Why does everyone who disagrees with a certain opinion or belief have to have their head in the sand, or be a member of the 'PC Brigade'? Why can't they just be people who are prepared to keep open minds.
Good, healthy debates take place between people who can be open minded. Try having a debate with, say, a communist party apparatchik or a member of the BNP and you'll see what I mean. You'll get precisely nowhere.
Maybe Socratic argument would be a good tack to try with such people...
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MartianTom
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Don't have a telly, mate, because it lost its soul years ago. A BBC news programme doesn't necessarily mean, either, that you're getting the full, impartial picture. You have to get your information from a lot of diverse sources for that. Panorama used to be a decent programme, but it's more like info-tainment now. Question Time is probably more like it. Differing points of view.
Though, of course, some of us will still continue to listen only to what it suits us to believe... For instance, if last night's Panorama had presented a 'state of the nation' picture that was completely the opposite of the one it did present, would you then have believed it? Or would you now be on here going on about how the BBC's been taken over by the PC Brigade?
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bigpieeater
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For instance, if last night's Panorama had presented a 'state of the nation' picture that was completely the opposite of the one it did present, would you then have believed it? Or would you now be on here going on about how the BBC's been taken over by the PC Brigade?
....BUT IT WASN'T WAS IT?
You are typical of the type of person who is in denial aren't you, along with a lot of others who appear to support your 'leftie' views, not a friend of John H are you? An ex-teacher maybe?
Try running a Business in the UK these days, not easy I'll tell you.
Paying taxes to keep the lazy sods that sit and watch Jeremy Kyle everyday is not what I set out to do, but my fellow country men (leftie socialists) seem to like it!!
Now, where is that wall, I need to bang my head on it.
Northerner
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That's what's done it! You've been banging your head on the wall too much!
MartianTom
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No, it wasn't... but you've missed the point. You seemed to be saying 'because it was on Panorama, it must be true.' I was just pointing out that ain't necessarily so.
Who say's I'm a leftie? Have I taken issue with any of your arguments? No... just the limited sources that you seem to be basing them on. I asked a question: if everyone stopped paying income tax, how would the NHS and state schools receive funding? You didn't answer that. You just continued to go off on one about 'last night's Panorama', immigrants, Dole-ites, and so on.
I read the papers - not just a selected few. I have views that would put me on the left, and views that would put me on the right. I often find myself agreeing with people I wouldn't normally agree with - and vice versa. I'm prepared to accept that some of my views lay me open to charges of hypocrisy, contradiction, etc. I'm also prepared to accept I may be wrong, and to listen to any reasoned argument (as opposed to a rant) and perhaps change my own view as a result. I don't take labels - if you choose to give me a label, that's up to you.
One thing I hope you will never be able to call me, though, is a bigot. Bigots are people who are obstinate and intolerant of other points of view, and who insult anyone who disagrees with them.
Basically, you could say, people who keep their ears closed and their heads buried.
How's that wall holding up?
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the happy campers
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my brother took us to bolton market and when i parked the camper he said get a ticket as the wardens cover up the signs and hide and put tickets on cars . we sat in van and watch them do it BE WARE
my brother took us to bolton market and when i parked the camper he said get a ticket as the wardens cover up the signs and hide and put tickets on cars . we sat in van and watch them do it BE WARE
hippo
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I live near Bolton and, currently, Bolton town centre is going through a "make-over". Unfortunately, the neighbouring town of Bury has just completed it's make-over and, consequently, everyone is taking their money to the new shops and resources in Bury town. Lots of businesses have left Bolton in favour of Bury. Can't really blame them for that.
So, it looks like all Bolton traffic wardens (or whatever they are called now) are raising the necessary funds to enable the plan to go ahead in Bolton.
As the originator of this thread suggests, leave Bolton well alone for the time being. I can also confirm that he is right about the roads (please make your complaint known to Bolton County Council - (they may have a little money left after giving most of it to the immigrants to start up all the curry shops and mobile phone shops.)
I digress.........
In short, try the outskirts of Bury.:blah:
So, it looks like all Bolton traffic wardens (or whatever they are called now) are raising the necessary funds to enable the plan to go ahead in Bolton.
As the originator of this thread suggests, leave Bolton well alone for the time being. I can also confirm that he is right about the roads (please make your complaint known to Bolton County Council - (they may have a little money left after giving most of it to the immigrants to start up all the curry shops and mobile phone shops.)
I digress.........
In short, try the outskirts of Bury.:blah:
bigpieeater
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Seems like a good idea to me, the NHS are too busy with the immigrants operations anyway.