Screwed upTyre

caledonia

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If it wasn't so new I'd just have got a new one, so I went to independent (not quickfit etc) tyre fitters and they took a look and said it was just on the on the limit of repairable, so plugged and sealed now for £12.50.
I know all the big boys will just say you need a new tyre, little profit in a repair.
I will monitor it now and may buy some OKO.
thanks
Put it on the rear as there will be less strain on the repair.
 

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Tubes are elegal now in a tubeless tyre,things have moved on. 😂
It is not recommended but it is not illegal. A lot of old vehicles with spoked wheels run tubless tyres with tubes because tube tyres are simply not available in most sizes. If fitting tubes in tubles tyres plenty of French chalk should be used to lubricate between tyre and tude and the speed rating of the tyre should be down graded by one rating.
 

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Not really, it is on na alloy, and the spare is steel, so it would need swapping about, or look wrong. Else I would.
Leave it where it is the repair will still be good when your tyre is worn out same patches used in tyres carrying a lot more weight than yours ever will
 

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It is not recommended but it is not illegal. A lot of old vehicles with spoked wheels run tubless tyres with tubes because tube tyres are simply not available in most sizes. If fitting tubes in tubles tyres plenty of French chalk should be used to lubricate between tyre and tude and the speed rating of the tyre should be down graded by one rating.
Its is ellegal in tubless tyres, and the tyre inside ribs will burst the tube ,my mate was well up in tyre tec and instructed rolls royce on fittments,no tubes fitted in N Ireland anywhere,wheel barrow tyre yes.
 

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Have you ever seen a wheelbarrow tyre blow Trev? We heard an almighty bang, (it wasn’t even being used at the time), and parts of the wheel ended up about 25-30 feet away! Good job no one was near.
 

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Its is ellegal in tubless tyres, and the tyre inside ribs will burst the tube ,my mate was well up in tyre tec and instructed rolls royce on fittments,no tubes fitted in N Ireland anywhere,wheel barrow tyre yes.
It isn't recommended Trev but it is not illegal here in the UK, as already stated spoked rims have to use tubes so how can classic cars with spoked wheels be used in NI?
 

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Have you ever seen a wheelbarrow tyre blow Trev? We heard an almighty bang, (it wasn’t even being used at the time), and parts of the wheel ended up about 25-30 feet away! Good job no one was near.
Remember the old lambretta scooters with the spare wheel for a passengers back rest. Well we heard a loud bang outside the garage Crikey we said whats that ran outside and a man was lying on the ground out cold his girl friend didn't know where she was staggering around the forecourt he had been blowing up his spare and it burst. Ambulance called both taken to hospital he was in a bad way for a couple of days. Thats why a lot of garage airlines are restricted to around 50 psi now
 

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Remember the old lambretta scooters with the spare wheel for a passengers back rest. Well we heard a loud bang outside the garage Crikey we said whats that ran outside and a man was lying on the ground out cold his girl friend didn't know where she was staggering around the forecourt he had been blowing up his spare and it burst. Ambulance called both taken to hospital he was in a bad way for a couple of days. Thats why a lot of garage airlines are restricted to around 50 psi now
My cousin was blowing up his motorbike tyre in the '70s and it blew while he was inflating it, the debris blown into his eye caused him to lose his sight in one eye, we were both in our teens at the time but I have been careful ever since, I still turn my face away when inflating tyres
 

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It isn't recommended Trev but it is not illegal here in the UK, as already stated spoked rims have to use tubes so how can classic cars with spoked wheels be used in NI?
With tyres made for tubes,they do exist,never put tubes in tubless tyres as the ribs inside rub on the tubes and bust them,been elegal since 2012.
 

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It isn't illegal Trev, post the relevant law that says it is illegal
My mate works in the industry or did as just now retired,he did the course which explained the new law,no tubes have been sold here from that date and no tyre fitter will fit one in a tubeless tyre.
I have been trying to get one local for a caravan wheel which goes soft but only ebay will sell them as they dont care what you do with them,yes they can be bought at a price on line.
 

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At least post all the page Trev it says not recommend, not illegal.



FITTING TUBES IN TUBELESS TYRES
It is NOT recommended to install tubes in tubeless tyres, because of the potential danger of experiencing a sudden loss of pressure due to the tube not being seated properly or the tyre being punctured. This could lead to a fatal accident.

Tyres designed for tubes have a smoother inner surface, while tubeless tyres do not. As a result, tubes can chafe and puncture in a tubeless tyre due to the roughness of the tyre and wheel.

When a tubeless tyre is punctured, the penetrating object is gripped by the inner liner (the built-in tube) and thus air loss through the penetration will be gradual. By contrast, when a tube type or a tubeless tyre fitted with a tube is punctured, once the tube is penetrated, air loss will normally be sudden. In this case, air will rapidly escape through the valve hole in the wheel and between the tyre beads and the wheel which, with a tube fitted, no longer provides a hermetic seal. Sudden pressure loss in a tyre can result in the bead dislodging and a loss of vehicle control.

When a tube is fitted to any tyre, it is important that the inside of the tyre is carefully examined to ensure that there is no feature which could cause premature tube failure due to cuts or chafing. Such examples are:

Any tyre manufacturer’s paper or plastic identification labels must be removed and label indentations buffed smooth.
Damage to the inside of the tyre, possibly due to a previous penetration or repair.
Also, the increased thickness of the tyre / tube assembly can cause running temperatures to increase and could under prolonged conditions cause premature tyre failure.

Inner tubes should not be used as a means of repairing a puncture to a tubeless tyre, as a proper repair should be carried out to retain the tubeless properties of the tyre.

Inner tubes must be fitted to all tyres that are NOT marked as "Tubeless" and to all tyres marked as "Tube Type".

Wire wheels, multi-piece wheels and some single piece wheels designed for tube type applications CANNOT be used as tubeless fitments and the use of a tube (regardless of whether the tyre is "tube type" or "tubeless") is ESSENTIAL FOR SAFETY. Always use tubes in such fitments.

We do not accept any liability for any consequences that may occur as a result of using an inner tube in a tubeless tyre.
 

trevskoda

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At least post all the page Trev it says not recommend, not illegal.



FITTING TUBES IN TUBELESS TYRES
It is NOT recommended to install tubes in tubeless tyres, because of the potential danger of experiencing a sudden loss of pressure due to the tube not being seated properly or the tyre being punctured. This could lead to a fatal accident.

Tyres designed for tubes have a smoother inner surface, while tubeless tyres do not. As a result, tubes can chafe and puncture in a tubeless tyre due to the roughness of the tyre and wheel.

When a tubeless tyre is punctured, the penetrating object is gripped by the inner liner (the built-in tube) and thus air loss through the penetration will be gradual. By contrast, when a tube type or a tubeless tyre fitted with a tube is punctured, once the tube is penetrated, air loss will normally be sudden. In this case, air will rapidly escape through the valve hole in the wheel and between the tyre beads and the wheel which, with a tube fitted, no longer provides a hermetic seal. Sudden pressure loss in a tyre can result in the bead dislodging and a loss of vehicle control.

When a tube is fitted to any tyre, it is important that the inside of the tyre is carefully examined to ensure that there is no feature which could cause premature tube failure due to cuts or chafing. Such examples are:

Any tyre manufacturer’s paper or plastic identification labels must be removed and label indentations buffed smooth.
Damage to the inside of the tyre, possibly due to a previous penetration or repair.
Also, the increased thickness of the tyre / tube assembly can cause running temperatures to increase and could under prolonged conditions cause premature tyre failure.

Inner tubes should not be used as a means of repairing a puncture to a tubeless tyre, as a proper repair should be carried out to retain the tubeless properties of the tyre.

Inner tubes must be fitted to all tyres that are NOT marked as "Tubeless" and to all tyres marked as "Tube Type".

Wire wheels, multi-piece wheels and some single piece wheels designed for tube type applications CANNOT be used as tubeless fitments and the use of a tube (regardless of whether the tyre is "tube type" or "tubeless") is ESSENTIAL FOR SAFETY. Always use tubes in such fitments.

We do not accept any liability for any consequences that may occur as a result of using an inner tube in a tubeless tyre.
Im going on what im told here,i tried it once and tyre blowed tube to bits,never again.
 

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You might find a sympathetic repair man but I'm afraid I does look a bit close to the edge.
 

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You may find that the law is 1 inch in. If less it’s not repairable. I have also had this where I had fitted all 4 then within weeks had 2 with nails dammit. Sod’s law, it is! It’s your van, family and your safety at stake don’t forget. I feel that it’s not worth the risk.
 

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