Scotland road saftey limits

[barryd]

A mate got it all wrong when she used AI to see out how much it would cost to bring her old VW T3 into London.

I got it right by going to the TFL site. The difference was a few £100.

There may well be a lesson there.

This new google AI explanation that seems to appear now always at the top of any search seems to often be wrong! I wonder if you can turn it off.

 

[Fisherman]

It's on my V5 Bill (Mass in service).

Mine are not to hand Rob, so I checked online, copied and pasted.
I was surprised to find what I posted, I could have swore it was on mine.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

This new google AI explanation that seems to appear now always at the top of any search seems to often be wrong! I wonder if you can turn it off.

Google AI says :-


AI Overview
Learn more


You can turn off Google AI in a few ways, including:

• Search Labs
  
  1. Open the Google app, Chrome, Firefox, or Opera
     
     
  2. Sign in to your Google Account with Incognito mode turned off
     
     
  3. Tap Labs at the top
     
     
  4. Tap Manage
     
     
  5. Toggle off AI Overviews and more
     
• Chrome extension
  
  1. • Open the Chrome browser
       
     • Click the three dots in the top right corner
       
     • Find Extensions and click on Chrome web store
       
     • Search for byebye.Google AI and click add to Chrome
       
     • Right-click the toolbar icon to choose settings
       
• • TenBlueLinks
    
    1. • Open the tenbluelinks.org website
         
       • Search for something on a new tab
         
       • Open Settings from the three dots in the corner
         
       • Tap Search Engine
         
       • Select TenBlueLinks as your search engine
         

Google notes that turning off "AI Overviews and more" in Search Labs does not disable AI Overviews in Search outside of Labs. AI Overviews are part of Google Search like other features, such as knowledge panels, and can't be turned off.

 

[Robmac]

Ah but is that before you turn it into a campervan Rob and put you and all your stuff in it?

Total weight converted is still only 2840kg Barry so I'm not too concerned about it.

 

[barryd]

Google AI says :-


AI Overview
Learn more


You can turn off Google AI in a few ways, including:

• Search Labs
  1. Open the Google app, Chrome, Firefox, or Opera
     
     
  2. Sign in to your Google Account with Incognito mode turned off
     
     
  3. Tap Labs at the top
     
     
  4. Tap Manage
     
     
  5. Toggle off AI Overviews and more
• Chrome extension
  1. • Open the Chrome browser
     • Click the three dots in the top right corner
     • Find Extensions and click on Chrome web store
     • Search for byebye.Google AI and click add to Chrome
     • Right-click the toolbar icon to choose settings
• • TenBlueLinks
    1. • Open the tenbluelinks.org website
       • Search for something on a new tab
       • Open Settings from the three dots in the corner
       • Tap Search Engine
       • Select TenBlueLinks as your search engine

Google notes that turning off "AI Overviews and more" in Search Labs does not disable AI Overviews in Search outside of Labs. AI Overviews are part of Google Search like other features, such as knowledge panels, and can't be turned off.

Yep I found that Kev. Guess what? It doesn't work. Googles AI instructions as to how to turn off Google AI are incorrect. Least they are in my browser.

 

[wildebus]

FWIW, the MGW of my van is 3,850 kg and Autotrail says it has a 700kg payload, which means a MIRO of 3,150 kg. Now MIRO includes a 75kg driver, 90% full fuel tank, 10 kg windscreen wash fluid, leisure battery, all the soft furnishings. The unladen weight doesn't include the driver, any fluids, leisure battery, gas bottles, and anything that isn't needed to be able to drive the vehicle on the road that can be removed without tools (exception being furnishing that form part of a belted seat).

So even though it's a PHGV, the unladen weight of my van is almost certainly below 3,050 kg even though I have no proof and would probably have to suck up a speeding ticket. That said, I tend to drive to the lower limits for fuel economy.

it is not down to you to prove it is below 3050kg; it is down to any prosecution to prove it is above 3050kg.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Well this very dumb half blind bear has managed somethign at last.

 

[wildebus]

If someone wants to have documented proof of their motorhome being under 3050Kg ULW, then the way to do it would be to obtain the manufacturers brochure for their model (making sure it is the brochure for the right year of manufacture). This will give the MIRO or Unladen Weight used by Motorhome manufacturers (which is different to UK Govt. ULW as has been noted) and the MIRO will always be higher than the ULW as extra items are included.
You can then deduct the nominal weight given for a driver as well as any other things that don't form part of the official ULW and if you end up with a number under 3050Kg, then that is all that matters. What the actual number is unimportant as long as it is below the magic number

In my own case, my Autotrail was 3500Kg GVW out the factory; uprated it to 3850 Kg, but that uprate is not relevant to anything.
From the brochure information for my Motorhome for the model year (obtained from https://www.auto-trail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007-Auto-Trail-Brochure.pdf), I see it has a MIRO of 3085Kg. This includes 75Kg for the driver, so taking that off leaves me with 3010Kg. So I don't need to bother with any other things to remove, I am below the ULW which allows me do drive at car speeds and if I needed to prove it (which I don't, but can if I want), I have the printed information to provide. Causa Finta.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Would a delivered unconverted PVCs ULW be the figure to quote to the rozzers, or the weight post conversion?

 

[wildebus]

Would a delivered unconverted PVCs ULW be the figure to quote to the rozzers, or the weight post conversion?

A good question.
My own theory/opinion is that the vehicle has to be in a condition that qualifies it to be as described on the V5C - so if it is a Motor Caravan, it needs to have included as part of the ULW the bed and the table for example, as they are pre-requisites to be classified as a Motor Caravan, but things like a toilet, awning, camping chairs, even a leisure battery are not needed in a Motor Caravan.
If it didn't have the Motor Caravan essentials, then it is no longer a Motor Caravan in use and so actually is subject to Commercial Van speeds whatever the ULW is.
Based on this theory, the day after I got my new V5C for my 4.6T GVW Campervan with its nice shiny "Motor Caravan" classification, I took all the extra stuff that was not needed out (BUT I did leave enough so it was actually usuable) and went to a weighbridge to get a certified and dated weight ticket so if I was challenged about driving at car speeds in my 4.6t Camper, I could show it came in at under 3050Kg and the onus was on on them to prove otherwise.
(FWIW, I removed 300Ah of batteries and contents of all the cupboards, awning and soft furnishings and bedding IIRC)

But that is my own theory and how I roll. If others ideas differ, no worries

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I'd be inclined to go with the post conversion weight too.

 

[trevskoda]

Mine says 6.4kg in log book, i had her on the w bridge and it said 4.3 ton.

 

[mark61]

Mine says 6.4kg in log book, i had her on the w bridge and it said 4.3 ton.

So, you are overloaded by a good few tonne then