Scotland road saftey limits

[Pudsey Bear]

Single carriageway 50 limit , over 3.05 tons news to me .

Unladen weight, dunno where you would find that not seen it on anything since the 60s on commercial vehicles, never seen it on a MoHo.

 

[davep10000]

Unladen weight, dunno where you would find that not seen it on anything since the 60s on commercial vehicles, never seen it on a MoHo.

My Devon has a plate they fix under the bonnet with the ULW, (2700 Kg on a 3500 GVW van) I assumed all converters needed to do this..
Maybe it's just on PVC's..

 

[Robmac]

Unladen weight, dunno where you would find that not seen it on anything since the 60s on commercial vehicles, never seen it on a MoHo.

I think it should be on the V5 Kev?

I'll have a look later when I remember where I put it!

 

[colinm]

The ULW is rarely listed on the V5c. It may be on the CoC, but my CoC whilst having an entry saying 'unladen weight' (in German) is actually the MIRO.

 

[barryd]

I'm wondering if we can fined a guinea pig to test this, using the fact that their MH has a minimum unladen weight ?
Any volunteers?

I'm pretty sure I checked and my unladen weight is above 3.05t. I just drive it around at the same limits as my car. Never had a ticket so far. How would they know?

 

[Fisherman]

I'm pretty sure I checked and my unladen weight is above 3.05t. I just drive it around at the same limits as my car. Never had a ticket so far. How would they know?

Ordinary police wouldn’t Barry, but the computer systems within traffic police vehicles and some of the newer camera systems being rolled out on motorways will.
All sorts of information is instantly available, including max permissible speed of vehicle in given road at time of driving. I can drive at 70, but only do so to overtake on motorways.

 

[wildebus]

My point is it should say "not exceeding 3.05t unladen weight", and "exceeding 3.05t unladen weight", using 'maximum' makes no sense to me.

Got to say I agree with your point. The addition of the word 'maximum' is unnecessary as the ULW for a specific vehicle is what it is and doesn't really vary in use. I guess they want to emphasise the point?

Tricky thing is if course, that very few people, no matter how generally diligent a motorist they are, will actually know their motorhomes ULW as defined by DVLA/DVSA as it not declared. (And the prosecuting authorities won't know either).
It is extremely unlikely any motorhome of a GVW of 3.5t (or has been updated from 3.5t) has a ULW over 3.05t though (IMO. don't take that as any kind of legal statement!).
I also checked my 4.6t camper on a weighbridge with the relevant fluids, etc in, after I got it reregistered and it was under 3t

 

[barryd]

Ordinary police wouldn’t Barry, but the computer systems within traffic police vehicles and some of the newer camera systems being rolled out on motorways will.
All sorts of information is instantly available, including max permissible speed of vehicle in given road at time of driving. I can drive at 70, but only do so to overtake on motorways.

I'm going to bet they don't Bill. Is it even on the V5? Nobody seems to know.

 

[Fisherman]

No it’s not on your V5 Barry.


No, unladen weight is not listed on a vehicle's V5 registration document, but it can be found on the vehicle itself:

 

[barryd]

No it’s not on your V5 Barry.


No, unladen weight is not listed on a vehicle's V5 registration document, but it can be found on the vehicle itself:

I was sure I had a photo of my weight plate but I cant find it now. I am of the opinion if its not on the V5 its not on the DVLA database then or going to flag up on a speed camera if you whiz past one doing 60 on an A road.

 

[colinm]

I'm going to bet they don't Bill. Is it even on the V5? Nobody seems to know.

They don't need to know, if you pass a camera which links to vehicle info, as a PHGV, you are likely to receive a ticket if say doing 70 on a dual carriageway, you will then been expected to supply a weight ticket if you dispute it. And yes on other forums people have posted about receiving tickets for this, the A14 around Huntingdon before the latest road layout changes was a favorite for this, must be going back at least 10 years.

 

[mark61]

Mass in service is on the V5, which isn't strictly the unladen weight, or the kerb weight for that matter.

The unladen weight is not likely to be found on the vehicle.

 

[GeoffL]

The ULW is rarely listed on the V5c. It may be on the CoC, but my CoC whilst having an entry saying 'unladen weight' (in German) is actually the MIRO.

FWIW, the MGW of my van is 3,850 kg and Autotrail says it has a 700kg payload, which means a MIRO of 3,150 kg. Now MIRO includes a 75kg driver, 90% full fuel tank, 10 kg windscreen wash fluid, leisure battery, all the soft furnishings. The unladen weight doesn't include the driver, any fluids, leisure battery, gas bottles, and anything that isn't needed to be able to drive the vehicle on the road that can be removed without tools (exception being furnishing that form part of a belted seat). So even though it's a PHGV, the unladen weight of my van is almost certainly below 3,050 kg even though I have no proof and would probably have to suck up a speeding ticket. That said, I tend to drive to the lower limits for fuel economy.

 

[barryd]

They don't need to know, if you pass a camera which links to vehicle info, as a PHGV, you are likely to receive a ticket if say doing 70 on a dual carriageway, you will then been expected to supply a weight ticket if you dispute it. And yes on other forums people have posted about receiving tickets for this, the A14 around Huntingdon before the latest road layout changes was a favorite for this, must be going back at least 10 years.

I suppose thats technically possible if its a smart fixed camera but I would think doubtful on a mobile one with some rozzer pointing it out the back of a van. I think they just have them set to flag vehicles doing a few miles an hour over the speed limit. 10% plus 2 I think was always the general rule of thumb.

 

[Robmac]

Mass in service is on the V5, which isn't strictly the unladen weight, or the kerb weight for that matter.

The unladen weight is not likely to be found on the vehicle.

Apparently it can be found in the vehicle manual Mark.

 

[colinm]

FWIW, the MGW of my van is 3,850 kg and Autotrail says it has a 700kg payload, which means a MIRO of 3,150 kg. Now MIRO includes a 75kg driver, 90% full fuel tank, 10 kg windscreen wash fluid, leisure battery, all the soft furnishings. The unladen weight doesn't include the driver, any fluids, leisure battery, gas bottles, and anything that isn't needed to be able to drive the vehicle on the road that can be removed without tools (exception being furnishing that form part of a belted seat). So even though it's a PHGV, the unladen weight of my van is almost certainly below 3,050 kg even though I have no proof and would probably have to suck up a speeding ticket. That said, I tend to drive to the lower limits for fuel economy.

I was surprised at the 'unladen weight' quoted on my CoC, it was only after it was weighed for MOT (still with some load) that I realised it was actually the MIRO.

 

[mark61]

Apparently it can be found in the vehicle manual Mark.

Maybe, I'd be surprised though.

 

[mark61]

The ULW is rarely listed on the V5c. It may be on the CoC, but my CoC whilst having an entry saying 'unladen weight' (in German) is actually the MIRO.

Could it be that Germans call the MIRO "unladen weight" while we don't?

 

[Robmac]

Maybe, I'd be surprised though.

I haven't checked Mark but that's what Mr Google said so it must be right!

 

[Robmac]

Apparently my Renault Master has a payload of 1377kg according to the spec listed in the Parkers guide - which is reassuring.