Schengen Travel & Spanish Residency

ian81 said:
Will Schengen still exist? What controls will exist to monitor coming and going? What level of enforcement will there be? Like so much it is all up in the air.
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Schengen will exist whatever happens and there will be no change to the Schengen regulations, the only difference will be that UK passport holders will be treated differently ( Third Country Nationals) unless the UK government manages to work out some separate agreement, which I doubt.
You may care to read all about the Schengen Regulations in the link below to answer your questions. Make yourself a cuppa and choose a comfy chair!
REC said:
Following with interest as we are in same position in Portugal! Keep checking but nobody seems to know/ care about this situation. Only those permanently in an EU Schengen country.
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I have posted a link below which will let you read the whole of the latest Schengen Regulations
Article 6 is the closest answer I can find to your question, but it’s not as clear as I would like. I’d be interested to see what you make of it?

EUR-Lex - 32016R0399 - EN - EUR-Lex

eur-lex.europa.eu eur-lex.europa.eu
 
This seems to apply.
If you are a non-EU national wishing to visit or travel within the EU, you will need a passport:


  • valid for at least 3 months after the date you intend to leave the EU country you are visiting,
  • which was issued within the previous 10 years,

and possibly a visa. You should apply for a visa from the consulate or embassy of the country you are visiting. If your visa is from a Schengen area country, it automatically allows you to travel to the other Schengen countries as well. If you have a valid residence permit from one of those Schengen countries, it is equivalent to a visa.
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ian81 said:
Will Schengen still exist? What controls will exist to monitor coming and going? What level of enforcement will there be? Like so much it is all up in the air.
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Well I dont see why other countries will get rid of the benefits of free travel , it was just the Brits that got upset about it . Passports will still be scanned at mahor airports ,ports and tunnels as before I suspect . I believe Im right in that Schengen was around before EU (someone may put me right on this) .It would be nice for us if free travel was reintroduced but I cant see Boris chasing this .
 
colinmd said:
This seems to apply.
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I think you missed out the bit above

Article 6

Entry conditions for third-country nationals

1. For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following:
 
jacquigem said:
Well I dont see why other countries will get rid of the benefits of free travel , it was just the Brits that got upset about it . Passports will still be scanned at mahor airports ,ports and tunnels as before I suspect . I believe Im right in that Schengen was around before EU (someone may put me right on this) .It would be nice for us if free travel was reintroduced but I cant see Boris chasing this .
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Boris doesn’t want free travel within the EU so it’s extremely unlikely this will be changed. The Schengen Agreement was signed in 1985 and the Schengen Area was created in 1995.
The EU was established in 1993 and the EEC in 1957.
UK joined the EEC in 1973.
 
jagmanx said:
The same would apply to France !
Thus you cannot drive your camper back to UK via France ! ( having been in Spain for x months)

PS I guess for now and early 2021 you will be OK as I think the 1st 3 month will only begin on Jan1st 2021 (or the day before)
So the powers that be have several months to sort it
Do NOT hold your breath !
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Yes , I guess might have to miss France out entirely (shame) and go for long Spain UK Ferry or leave van in Spain and fly ?
 
Yes as others have posted "Schengen may well take priority" ! Signed 14 June 1985
Get the Ferry to UK with the van. Then use the tunnel when you have a new 90 days and explore France then Residence in Spain.
Fit Portugal in some-time similarly or "Go Illegal"
PIA I am sure you expected residency to overcome but probably not.

There are so many differing layers of bureaucracy
You can get multiple schengen entries
 
jacquigem said:
I think you missed out the bit above

Article 6

Entry conditions for third-country nationals

1. For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following:
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Maybe I need to explain further, the time you spend in the Schengen area can be extended if you have a Visa, (this is not usually given for holidays), the quote I posted says a residence permit is equivalent to a visa.
 
Thanks Colin.
That seems similar to my comment I made earlier that with Residencia (Spain or any Schengen country) you have no limits

Your statement
"the quote I posted says a residence permit is equivalent to a visa" is the clue (as you infer)
 
Spain will not want any limit on UK residents visiting their country and they have said this not me.

www.statista.com

Spain: tourists by country of origin 2023 | Statista

The United Kingdom was the main country of origin for international tourism in Spain in 2023.
www.statista.com www.statista.com
Most European countries want free holiday travel , work or moving to their countries is another matter.
No one will know the answers until a deal is done or it's a no deal.
 
Thank you all for your comments . I believed I could stay in Spain indefinately with the residencia . Will probably be able to see portugal and france as no border controls . But , (and I am sorry for raising this !) if i go back to the UK having spent >90 days in Schengen will I have to stay in UK for at least 90 days before being allowed back in by French customs . So nipping back for a quick family celebration(?!) might not be possible .
 
jacquigem said:
Thank you all for your comments . I believed I could stay in Spain indefinately with the residencia . Will probably be able to see portugal and france as no border controls . But , (and I am sorry for raising this !) if i go back to the UK having spent >90 days in Schengen will I have to stay in UK for at least 90 days before being allowed back in by French customs . So nipping back for a quick family celebration(?!) might not be possible .
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The big word in this is MIGHT, and this is all you get from the UK government at this present time... "might"
We have family living in Spain who have UK passports and they know nothing ... other than Spain is going to offer an easy route to become Spanish nationals avoiding the 10 year wait... though I dont have the details.
 
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Yes Might/maybe..Nobody knows..But Euroland has to obey the European court of Human Rights
I would expect this to safeguard all "non-EEC" nationals (UK USA Brazil etc etc) with residential rights in EEC countries !
Indeed when we visited Portugal; by air there was a special channel for Brazil (not surprisingly)
 
chrisjones18 said:
The big word in this is MIGHT, and this is all you get from the UK government at this present time... "might"
We have family living in Spain who have UK passports and they know nothing ... other than Spain is going to offer an easy route to become Spanish nationals avoiding the 10 year wait... though I dont have the details.
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We read something similar and thats why we decided to get our residency before the transition period ends . My understanding is that my current green residency card will get replaced by a new residency plastic card when the transition period ends . Then I think after 5 years(?) I can apply for Spanish citizenship if I want to . After the transition period I am told it will be harder to get residency , stricter controls on income and capital and maybe Spanish language exams.
 
You seem well placed
Can you have both Spanish and UK citizenship ?
Spanish as a language is OK (unlike THAI)
 
Not sure I really want Spanish citizenship . To be resident I am supposed to spend more than 6 months in the country so not sure how you can be legally resident in more than one country , but I am no expert and trying to learn all the time . We have a little Spanish but to be honest we tend to spend most of our time in English speaking areas and then have become quite good at sign language . I was today describing a blow up spa pool to a young Spanish girl ! We thought about Thailand as a way round Shengin but then we acquired a dog and it just got to complicated . So yes I think we are happy with what we have got but it has cost us a few bob including private health cover and moving our tax status to Spain.
 
I (we) can only live (very well) in Thailand because my wife (Nida) is THAI.
So SHE owns the land the house the car and most of the businees is in her name
I have a solo Thai bank account which is needed for my visa (£20,000 in Bank)
She has a book for the house (in her name) and I need to show that every year to renew my (1 year Visa)
As such I do not have residence but a 1 year (hopefully) recurring visa.
Without her and her language skills (Thai and English) it would be very difficult !
There are others (similar) who we know and met but again the UK person is in practice dependent on the Thai national.
Yes some expats without a spouse seem to manage ?
Nida is a few years younger than me..It is likely I will die before her !
Health insurance
At the moment we pay for 6 months a time (Thailand and Europe) not exactly but £1000 a year
 
Next to impossible...No impossible
Also dogs and cats are not thought of as pets !
We have an "orphan cat" which Nida's son rescued.
It is treated as a pet and is OK.
Nida's son ("Our son" but from her first Thai husband)) remains in Thailand when we use motorhome in UK
BUT he has a UK passport (AND that is a very very long story)
He is now 26 and has just got his degree (in Thailand) but of course NO JOBS
PS a bit hot now 40deg plus in the day and still 36 37 38 Now ! and humid
Anyway a nice meal earlier and aircon on in the bedroom!
 
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