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hairydog said:
No, I didn't miss that bit, and it is not on the page I linked to.
Putting under 3s in a seat belt without a child seat is more dangerous than no belt at all. I did say it is complicated.
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I'm not very good at linking things , if you carry on from the page you have linked you will find this ( I hope)


Seat belts: the law: If your vehicle doesn’t have seat belts - GOV.UK

I did say these things take some finding and government departments don't like to make things easy.
Like you say complicated......
 
jeanette said:
Sharon this is the travel harness we use for the car. View attachment 69810 View attachment 69811
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I am not an expert, but to me that looks like a standard walking harness, rather than a travel harness. The car harnesses tend to have a stronger more padded chest section.

We used to cycle the French canals & rivers with our last JRT Tilly in a basket on the back of Phill's bike. We soon settled on the best harness because on a few occasions she leapt our of the basket & dangled from her harness. Those little black plastic clips often sprang open, eventually we found one with locking clips.
 
Asterix said:
I keep my mutt on the front seat,I just clip his collar onto the seatbelt
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When capital punishment was still in force the speed of the victim at the point when he suddenly stopped was under 20 mph and resulted in the guy's neck breaking and death.

You have put a noose round your mutt's neck and in an emergency he will be travelling at (say) 30 mph relative to the seat belt - not recommended.

Highway Code Rule 57 "When in a vehicle make sure dogs or other animals are suitably restrained so they cannot distract you while you are driving or injure you, or themselves, if you stop quickly. A seat belt harness, pet carrier, dog cage or dog guard are ways of restraining animals in cars."
 
Sharon the Cat said:
I am not an expert, but to me that looks like a standard walking harness, rather than a travel harness. The car harnesses tend to have a stronger more padded chest section.

We used to cycle the French canals & rivers with our last JRT Tilly in a basket on the back of Phill's bike. We soon settled on the best harness because on a few occasions she leapt our of the basket & dangled from her harness. Those little black plastic clips often sprang open, eventually we found one with locking clips.
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To be honest Sharon the pics don’t do it justice as it is quite padded on the chest and that’s what it said on the label but having said that I will look at another one
 
Have my own version of a dog guard. It’s an MDF barrier that slots down between the habitation area and back of the driver/passenger seats. She lies on the floor behind it and doesn’t shift until next time I stop. Managed OK for over 7 years now and I consider it meets the requirements.
 
jeanette said:
To be honest Sharon the pics don’t do it justice as it is quite padded on the chest and that’s what it said on the label but having said that I will look at another one
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If it is labelled as a car harness I'm sure it will be fine. Some of those mesh looking ones are very flimsy & as you say it's hard to tell. Just watch out for those clips.;)
 
Sharon the Cat said:
If it is labelled as a car harness I'm sure it will be fine. Some of those mesh looking ones are very flimsy & as you say it's hard to tell. Just watch out for those clips.;)
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I’ll certainly check the clips now you’ve mentioned it and if I see another one which is better padded I’ll get it,but as you say they look so flimsy but it is quite padded and it did say on the label,so later on it’s a trip to the pet shop!.haha
 
Safe Travelling With A Dog Guard

jeanette said:
For anyone who has a pet but only two travelling seats where does your pet sit/ lie in the car ours sits on the back seat and harnessed in safely, TIA
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For the past 3 years, my partner and I have travelled with our Staffordshire Bull Terrier Cross in the boot, accompanied by a Travall Guard. We've never had any issues with the guard over the past 3 years and it's really easy to take out if ever needed! We've added more of their products to our car in the last year also to accompany our adventures. We're headed over to the Lake District in a couple of weeks and we can't wait! Weathers starting to pick up now, finally :)
 
HappyCamper123 said:
For the past 3 years, my partner and I have travelled with our Staffordshire Bull Terrier Cross in the boot, accompanied by a Travall Guard. We've never had any issues with the guard over the past 3 years and it's really easy to take out if ever needed! We've added more of their products to our car in the last year also to accompany our adventures. We're headed over to the Lake District in a couple of weeks and we can't wait! Weathers starting to pick up now, finally :)
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I was wondering where does your dog stay in the van and have you got more than two travelling seats with belts? We have only the two travelling seats therefore two seatbelts
 
I am thinking of getting one of these cargo straps to put between the 2 seat belt stalks. We already have a big junky swivel clip that could be threaded on & attached to Sparky's harness.

If only one of us was in the van with Sparky it would still work provided we remembered to clip the passenger seat belt up.

Opinions everyone?
 
Sharon have you seen the post from Jo001 (#79) I think they look good and at least she’ll still have her harness on
 
jeanette said:
Sharon have you seen the post from Jo001 (#79) I think they look good and at least she’ll still have her harness on
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Hi Jeanette, that's the sort of thing I mean but using one cargo strap, no carabiniers, to make it simpler & stronger, with a swivel clip in the middle that will attach to the ring on the back of Sparky's harness.

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Easy to take off before an MOT too!
 
Sharon the Cat said:
Hi Jeanette, that's the sort of thing I mean but using one cargo strap, no carabiniers, to make it simpler & stronger, with a swivel clip in the middle that will attach to the ring on the back of Sparky's harness.

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Easy to take off before an MOT too!
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I should add, we leave enough slack so he can reach his water bowl (non spill, one of these Dog bowl - Road Refresher - the non-spill pet travel bowl ) but also check that in an emergency stop there isn't enough slack that he can make contact with the front.

If you could rig up something protective behind the seats, that would help too. Some years ago we were in a head on collision - a young woman driving her boyfriend's big BMW north towards us on the bridge in Coldstream went into a spin. We were definitely under 30, having just come out of the bend before the bridge. God knows what she was doing but she spun, hit us, ricocheted off and still knocked the top row of blocks off the bridge parapet. Our van was a write-off. The wreckage in the back was incredible - it was a Swift Sundance so habitation door immediately behind the passenger seat and fridge just behind that - the fridge broke through the cabinet and was resting against the back of the passenger seat. EVERYTHING in all the cupboards had broken out and gathered at the front. Fortunately this was pre-dog days but if something had flown forward and hit him, it could have been the end of him. Anyone passing through Coldstream, have a look for the new blocks on the bridge - our insurance bought these (yep, she wasn't insured).

As an interesting addition to the story, about 16 months later we were in France and met our old van. A coach builder had bought the write off and fixed it up, sold it to family from Ireland. So it still managed to get a few miles done!
 
Jo001 said:
I should add, we leave enough slack so he can reach his water bowl (non spill, one of these Dog bowl - Road Refresher - the non-spill pet travel bowl ) but also check that in an emergency stop there isn't enough slack that he can make contact with the front.

If you could rig up something protective behind the seats, that would help too. Some years ago we were in a head on collision - a young woman driving her boyfriend's big BMW north towards us on the bridge in Coldstream went into a spin. We were definitely under 30, having just come out of the bend before the bridge. God knows what she was doing but she spun, hit us, ricocheted off and still knocked the top row of blocks off the bridge parapet. Our van was a write-off. The wreckage in the back was incredible - it was a Swift Sundance so habitation door immediately behind the passenger seat and fridge just behind that - the fridge broke through the cabinet and was resting against the back of the passenger seat. EVERYTHING in all the cupboards had broken out and gathered at the front. Fortunately this was pre-dog days but if something had flown forward and hit him, it could have been the end of him. Anyone passing through Coldstream, have a look for the new blocks on the bridge - our insurance bought these (yep, she wasn't insured).

As an interesting addition to the story, about 16 months later we were in France and met our old van. A coach builder had bought the write off and fixed it up, sold it to family from Ireland. So it still managed to get a few miles done!
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Yes, must think about a panel behind the dog to protect him.
We have a couple of the no spill dog bowls. I bought one years ago, then they stopped making those & only the more expensive ones available like your link.
A couple of months ago Dogs Trust openend a shop in Abergavenny & they sell the old design no-spill bowls so Sparky has lots now.
 
Will have to check out the dogs trust for the bowls Sharon and Jo001 I have noticed the new blocks on that bridge,love Coldstream often go to the museum there we also have a caravan at Berwick-upon-Tweed but we also go to Eyemouth lovely little cafe in Eyemouth and lovely couple that own it!
 
jeanette said:
Sharon have you got a photo of Sparky’s harness
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Here you go. I can't find one like this online. I bought it a few years ago from my trade supplier.
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I searched Dogs Trust for the bowls but they don't sell them on line just in the shops. You can't miss them, bright yellow!
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However, I did find a car harness on their site.
 
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