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I guess it is a matter of calculated risks and rewards.

Not sure how not putting on a seatbelt improves your enjoyment of driving?
 
shaunr68 said:
Well fairy nuff fellas, I should have expected a lecture :)

I do hope that none of you smoke, drink too much, have an unhealthy diet, ride a bike motorised or otherwise, or participate in dangerous sports :D
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I was going to say none of my motorbikes have seat belts or air bags,but then again most folk i know have always been brought of by half blind numties in cars.
 
trevskoda said:
I was going to say none of my motorbikes have seat belts or air bags,but then again most folk i know have always been brought of by half blind numties in cars.
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Last time I was brought off my motorbike was due to the numbtie that was holding the handlebars :dance:
 
wildebus said:
I guess it is a matter of calculated risks and rewards.

Not sure how not putting on a seatbelt improves your enjoyment of driving?
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It's laziness to be honest. I'll take the rap on the knuckles like a man and I'm touched that you lot all clearly care so much so I'll endeavour to follow Mr Saville's advice more often in future :D
 
Cass said:
I would advise you check your insurance policy as some have a clause for unrestrained pets and it may void your insurance if in an accident,
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We would rather find a way to use her harness or something else to restrain her other than a cage but if she has to sit in between the seats we’ll have to see how she gets on,(don’t really want to do that) and we never thought about the insurance if she’s unrestrained
 
Well we've just moved Percy II down to the local mill as we have tree surgeons coming today. Sparky came with us as it was only 300m down a country lane at 6:30am. We could see that between the front seats will be an ideal spot for him if we can rig up something to clip his harness to.

Our base vehicle is a 16 plate Peugeot Boxer so the gear shift is well out of the way on the dash & the handbrake is to the right of the driver's eat. How do we stand with the law & MOT regs if we were to attach a strap across from both seatbelt stalks & clip his harness onto that? Would we be better placed to try & attach it to both seat bases? I'm being a bit vague here as it was pitch dark & early & Phill had to get off to work so we didn't look at it in detail.
 
Sharon the Cat said:
Well we've just moved Percy II down to the local mill as we have tree surgeons coming today. Sparky came with us as it was only 300m down a country lane at 6:30am. We could see that between the front seats will be an ideal spot for him if we can rig up something to clip his harness to.

Our base vehicle is a 16 plate Peugeot Boxer so the gear shift is well out of the way on the dash & the handbrake is to the right of the driver's eat. How do we stand with the law & MOT regs if we were to attach a strap across from both seatbelt stalks & clip his harness onto that? Would we be better placed to try & attach it to both seat bases? I'm being a bit vague here as it was pitch dark & early & Phill had to get off to work so we didn't look at it in detail.
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Sharon we had thought about that and we still haven’t got round to looking at it in more detail,because to be honest that’s the only thing we could do for misty to be safe and harnessed. I would like to see if anyone can help with that!
 
Remove left & right seat belt clip mounting bracket,then get a bit of steel drilled to also bolt there with a extra hole in it for the dog harness,make sure he cannot get to or under the pedals and all should be well.
Or if a seat base mounting leg has access then something round that will do fine.
 
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trevskoda said:
Remove left & right seatbelt clip mounting bracket,then get a bit of steel drilled to also bolt there with a extra hole in it for the dog harness,makesure he cannot get to or under the pedals and all should be well.
Orif a seat base mounting leg has access then something round that will do fine.
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Thanks Trev. I'll show this to him who drills things when he gets home. We need to be careful that anything we do won't affect the seatbelts for safety/MOT issues.
With a harness one he will be well away from the pedals & unusually this dog seems to prefer to be on the floor.
The seat moves forward & back & swivels so I don't think there would be anywhere to attach anything to the base.
 
Read this with interest, as one of the reasons we decided to have a double seat with belts fitted was that we wanted to have Chloe restrained. She could sit in the front ( having a swivel put on double seat so that we still have three seats in cab) but she does not seem to be comfortable there, and at 18kg she is heavy if she drapes herself over my legs or tries to sit on me!
We are also looking a leaving one of the floor restraint clips in situ so that she can be restrained sitting on the floor. She has a padded harness which allows movement and restrains her from centre back not neck. The only issue we find is that she swivels around "making a nest" when settling and sometimes gets hooked up on the strap! She has done this less lately so maybe she is learning??

I would argue that "suitably restrained " would be interpreted as bodily not emotional restraint since the main danger is flying weight in the event of an accident. Only need one accident and end up with injuries to animal and or passengers which would be awful! As a child we used to travel (3 kids) unrestrained sitting on the back ledge in an MG midget, but wouldn't let a child do it now! More traffic, greater speeds, more knowledge!!
 
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REC ours is restrained in the car with a body harness and not a one on the neck,
 
jeanette said:
REC ours is restrained in the car with a body harness and not a one on the neck,
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All proper harnesses are like that , but I have seen some dogs just clipped in to their collar which was why I mentioned it.
Ruth
 
REC said:
All proper harnesses are like that , but I have seen some dogs just clipped in to their collar which was why I mentioned it.
Ruth
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I have also seen that and I wouldn’t do that because as you say it could have dire consequences,to say the least! And hopefully we’ll find something suitable for for the van
 
hairydog said:
I would (and do) argue that it is not as you assert. The suitable restraint is not to protect the animal (if it were, restraints on the market would need to improve that aspect, not worsen it, as they currently do).
It is a matter of preventing the animal distracting or even impeding the driving. And a simple "sit" is enough for some dogs, whereas chains and cages are needed for others.
You may have a different view, but the letter of the law does not say what is "suitable" or what the intent of the law is, so.my opinion holds as much or as little weight as yours does.
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A simple sit wont stop it flying through the screen or braking you neck,remember at 30mph it will be same weight as a baby elephant.
 
Travel harnesses are different from walking harnesses. You must use one that is designed to withstand the speed of an impact on the fastenings etc. A simple wlking harness will not suffice.

Clipped onto a collar is a very quick way to kill your dog in an accident, I'm sure no-one on here is stupid enough for that one.
 
Sharon the Cat said:
Travel harnesses are different from walking harnesses. You must use one that is designed to withstand the speed of an impact on the fastenings etc. A simple wlking harness will not suffice.

Clipped onto a collar is a very quick way to kill your dog in an accident, I'm sure no-one on here is stupid enough for that one.
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Im not sure when some on here dont clip themselves in.
 
Trev ours are usually on their bed on the floor between the front seats, most they can do is shunt forward maybe a foot, couldn’t go through windscreen unless vehicle flipped in which case we are all probably toast.

I may be wrong but I don’t think adding something to seat belt mounting points is valid, it could add forces that the mounting isn’t designed for. Your other ides of drilling and adding an eye is a better suggestion I think.

Just to add, while our van states seating capacity is 4 there are only two seat belts. Just throwing that out there as two would be unsecured on side sofas if we went to maximum seated. Yes I know that’s a different argument and decided by insurance but just adding a bit to th3 discussion.

I am happy to continue with ours asleep on the floor, if others are not then they must do whatever to make it right for them.
 
This opens another can of worms does your insurance cover you carrying anyone without a seatbelt. Come any accident it's the views of the police or accident investigaters that will count not your interpretation of the law.

Alf



Nabsim said:
Trev ours are usually on their bed on the floor between the front seats, most they can do is shunt forward maybe a foot, couldn’t go through windscreen unless vehicle flipped in which case we are all probably toast.

I may be wrong but I don’t think adding something to seat belt mounting points is valid, it could add forces that the mounting isn’t designed for. Your other ides of drilling and adding an eye is a better suggestion I think.

Just to add, while our van states seating capacity is 4 there are only two seat belts. Just throwing that out there as two would be unsecured on side sofas if we went to maximum seated. Yes I know that’s a different argument and decided by insurance but just adding a bit to th3 discussion.

I am happy to continue with ours asleep on the floor, if others are not then they must do whatever to make it right for them.
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Correct alf the carage of passengers with out belts is not allowed after a certain date,they are for sitting in when on a c/site.
Same goes for side facing seats.
At the end of the day its the crown prosicution which decides and not us load of old farts.
 
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