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The seatbelt regulations for motorhomes changed in 2007. Until then the rules allowed lap belts (2 point fixings) in sideways facing seats in the Hab area. Any model registered from 07 were not. My 56 reg Elddis 120 had the Lap belts, the 07 did not.
 
maingate we don’t even have lap belts in ours even though it says 4 berth!
 
We have a click-safe dog harness (for car travel) attached to a short strap secured between the seat belt stems. Hope this works (edit - I mean the photo upload!)

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Ha ha, I said it was a different subject (unbelted side seats) as we have had it before. My point of mentioning was some vans can carry unbelted passengers which would do a lot more damage if things went wrong than the average dog.
 
hairydog said:
No, it is the law that decides. The law is clear, and not subject to the CPS interpreting it.

The applicable date of the EU Directive that requires all passenger seats to have belts is 20 October 2008.

To be quite honest, I don't remember if that is for vehicles made after that date, first registered after that date, or first used after that date. But that is the date!
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I think it's a law for children that came in at 2008. Under 12 or 135cms must be in a correct seat for their height or age.
The eu law came in 2012 that you can only travel in vehicles made after this date in a seat with a forward or rear facing seatbelt designed for the seat.
These seats are noted in the vc5.so if the vc5 says 2 seats that is all that can travel regardless of the number of seats you have ..
I ain't arguing about it, just stating a fact.
I thought the thread was about pets not people , the seatbelt law for people has been done to death on loads of forums and individuals should choose themselves what to do.
There is no law in the UK for pet travel other than they should not interfere with the driver.
 
We use this harness with a seatbelt strap (can’t take a pic Malcolm has the car)! 58023223-EEF0-4B9C-A6DC-32A8B2B36B88.jpg. EC502E78-759C-458C-98CE-FBBFDB15CC6F.jpg
 
chrisjones18 said:
I think it's a law for children that came in at 2008. Under 12 or 135cms must be in a correct seat for their height or age.
The eu law came in 2012 that you can only travel in vehicles made after this date in a seat with a forward or rear facing seatbelt designed for the seat.
These seats are noted in the vc5.so if the vc5 says 2 seats that is all that can travel regardless of the number of seats you have ..
I ain't arguing about it, just stating a fact.
I thought the thread was about pets not people , the seatbelt law for people has been done to death on loads of forums and individuals should choose themselves what to do.
There is no law in the UK for pet travel other than they should not interfere with the driver.
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There was a post on my Wifes Facebook group that the Law had changed last year regarding carrying animals in a vehicle.

I am not saying it was correct but if possible I will try to find it (it was a while ago). am not a Facebook user myself but will do my best.
 
chrisjones18 said:
I think it's a law for children that came in at 2008. Under 12 or 135cms must be in a correct seat for their height or age.
The eu law came in 2012 that you can only travel in vehicles made after this date in a seat with a forward or rear facing seatbelt designed for the seat.
These seats are noted in the vc5.so if the vc5 says 2 seats that is all that can travel regardless of the number of seats you have ..
I ain't arguing about it, just stating a fact.
I thought the thread was about pets not people , the seatbelt law for people has been done to death on loads of forums and individuals should choose themselves what to do.
There is no law in the UK for pet travel other than they should not interfere with the driver.
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Slightly incorrect,the 2012 bit was seats were ment to have a emblem stamped on them to show for convayence,i have had the lot out with boss at mot sation and ggoing through veh construction and use papers,now lets get to barking again.
 
maingate said:
There was a post on my Wifes Facebook group that the Law had changed last year regarding carrying animals in a vehicle.

I am not saying it was correct but if possible I will try to find it (it was a while ago). am not a Facebook user myself but will do my best.
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Face book market place is a handy tool to buy and sell on.
 
trevskoda said:
Slightly incorrect,the 2012 bit was seats were ment to have a emblem stamped on them to show for convayence,i have had the lot out with boss at mot sation and ggoing through veh construction and use papers,now lets get to barking again.
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I have the said law at home on a computer. If I was only there now. .
Look under the laws for motorcaravan and after a day or two trawling through them you should find it...there are thousands of the bloody things no wonder nothing gets put out correctly. ..
If you mean the bosses at vosa I agree with you about their take on things....I have had many dealings with them in the past..
It only matters about vehicles after 2012 as that's when the seats got put on the vc5... some motorhome builders don't do things right when they register them and the vc5 might only get 2 or 3 seats listed as they forget to change the base vehicle....
They have now had around 6 years to get things right so they should be up to speed now.....
 
hairydog said:
It isn't as simple as that. To be quite honest I don't remember all the details, so I'd rather not give half the story, but fhe law is different when children are being carried.
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It is that simple as the children get the law to themselves..... they must have a seat belt..
The only exemption is an emergency. .
If a old vehicle has no belts you can't take a child in it.
 
jeanette said:
That’s exactly what we need so...whereabouts do you get them from, and she can just lie on the floor and we don’t have to use a cage!
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I think we got ours online from Sports Direct (the free mug they sent is the reason I remember it was from there, such is the power of marketing lol). The strap is attached to a carabiner, and we clip the carabiner on the seat belt stem. The other end is free, but has a loop, so a second carabiner goes through that, and clips on the other seat belt stem.

I think they are rock climbing gear so if not Sports Direct, somewhere outdoorsy might be able to help.
 
hairydog said:
No, it is not as simple as that.
To quote directly from Child car seats: the law: When a child can travel without a car seat - GOV.UK



Note the minimum age of three. The rules are different if the child is under three.

If the child is under three, they must be in the back in a child seat. Children under three cannot normally travel in cars without seat belts. However, they can travel in coaches and buses without seat belts, in the back of taxis NOT wearing a seatbelt, or in the front in a child seat if there is no room for the child seat in the back.

I did say it was complicated!
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You missed this bit

"These rules only apply if your vehicle was originally made without seat belts."
This is in the .gov blurb, just the one line,


I would like to think people would use seatbelts for children as they don't know different. Regardless of their age..
 
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