Mixed messages

Two days is the equivalent of two months in the current timescale climate, Fazerloz ;)

I think it is the government, scientists and statisticians you should really be getting angry with and not us armchair philosophers - although I think philosophers is definitely way too grand a term for most of us in here (well, me at least!) o_O🤪🤪😂😂😂
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Two days is the equivalent of two months in the current timescale climate, Fazerloz ;)

I think it is the government, scientists and statisticians you should really be getting angry with and not us armchair philosophers - although I think philosophers is definitely way too grand a term for most of us in here (well, me at least!) o_O🤪🤪😂😂😂
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You will find i don't need to get angry with anyone. Can you not remember what you post only 2 days ago on a particular subject.
 
Statistics
There are simply no reliable figures
Governments (many counties) now include care home deaths and other.
www.politico.eu

How Portugal became Europe’s coronavirus exception

Despite an elderly population and underfunded health system, the country has managed better than most to limit the damage caused by the virus.
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is not reliable (IMO)
It seems some countries may have not counted some deaths
The infected and recovered figures. are simply nonsense
Well I just wish my bank manager would agree with my calculations
Some things are clear however
UK is worse than Italy etc in total numbers (but not Deaths per million )
Germany & Portugal very low in the Deaths per million population and in that respect UK is 3rd behind Spain and France (ignoring smaller populations)
Sweden is relatively high given the expanse of the country.

BUT all is of little consequence for those directly affected
 
We really have no idea how many people have had, or have died from the virus. Care home and home deaths weren't tested. GP's don't have to see the body to issue a certificate. People that were tested positive who subsequently died were automatically certified as a covid death regardless of actual cause.
Another thing that is bothering me is this thing that the elderly are much more vulnerable. Aren't the figures for all over 70's being skewed by the care home deaths?
 
antiquesam said:
We really have no idea how many people have had, or have died from the virus. Care home and home deaths weren't tested. GP's don't have to see the body to issue a certificate. People that were tested positive who subsequently died were automatically certified as a covid death regardless of actual cause.
Another thing that is bothering me is this thing that the elderly are much more vulnerable. Aren't the figures for all over 70's being skewed by the care home deaths?
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When you say skewed does that mean you think deaths in care home figures should not be included in all over 70s figures. I am not having a pop at you,just trying to clarify exactly what you mean. (y)
 
Fazerloz said:
When you say skewed does that mean you think deaths in care home figures should not be included in all over 70s figures. I am not having a pop at you,just trying to clarify exactly what you mean. (y)
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No I'm saying deaths of over seventy year olds must include the people dying in care homes. As those deaths aren't typical of the numbers of over 70's dying in the community it must distort the numbers making it look like all oldies are particularly vulnerable.
As the Ramblers group I walk with has 70 and 80 year olds doing 9 mile walks two or three times a week in all weather any restrictions may have an adverse affect on their health.
 
Portugal closed all its borders really early on and managed to keep the lid on. That's why many of us would have preferred to stay there rather than come back to the UK when we saw what was happening.
 
Biggarmac said:
Portugal closed all its borders really early on and managed to keep the lid on. That's why many of us would have preferred to stay there rather than come back to the UK when we saw what was happening.
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And ours are still wide open, last I heard around 15000 per day entering makes a mockery of having the lock down, A new study from the University of East Anglia medical school seems to have suggested that the lock down has actually achieved nothing as regards covid cases. since the lock down both upper and lower respiratory infections are down, flu like illnesses are down but Covid numbers are up, the cases going down were mainly attributed to better hygiene since the campaign and the lack of mass gatherings

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runnach said:
I had to take dog up to Dick Vet yesterday (Edinburgh University) While I was returning, which was heading east, viewed 2 motorhomes heading west, one was a Hymer (these Hymer owners obviously think they can flaunt the rules 🤬 )

Motorbikes, I was actually thinking of buying another, judging by the amount (some in convoy) that pass here at weekends, they too, are exempt from lockdown, so I buy one, I will be exempt too? :D
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Hmmm, I wonder what a Dick Vet specialises in?
 
FULL TIMER said:
Well if people including the coppers actually read the law that has been set in place there wouldn't be any mixed messages so to speak, and no I don't need telling to take my pants down before taking a £$%^ I've got a mind of my own and am not frightened to use it , apart from that I've had plenty of practice.
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please take cover, its about to fly. ok.pj well go for it?
 
linkshouse said:
Maybe they all worked together. perhaps it was all nurses together letting their hair down after a hard days work.

I know that the rules say only household members may congregate but take this example -

Our son and son-in-law work together on a fish farm. They spend all day together on a small boat then they go home to their wives. Once they're out of work they must suddenly become infectious because they aren't allowed to meet each other outside work, nor may their wives with whom they have individually been in direct contact with meet each other at all.

And before anyone jumps on me, they are adhering to these rules but it is an example of where universal rules don't necessarily work universally.

Phill
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sorry you cant fly them to the moon. not to gether. ok.pj.
 
As with much of this it’s a balancing act between preventing infection and destroying the economy. It seems that the outcome may be a regularly reviewed temporary measure.
 
2cv said:
As with much of this it’s a balancing act between preventing infection and destroying the economy. It seems that the outcome may be a regularly reviewed temporary measure.
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I agree the emphasis is a balance of population wellbeing so thos that can work do so and a robust economy

Tonight’s update interesting wants us all on bikes , I think the motorists are going to get hammered
 
I'm quite partial to riding an old bike now and then.... and it seems as newly approve by HM Gov.... splendid show...!
 
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