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I know that the side effects and their severity vary from person to person and some on here have reported quite severe reaction.

It worries me that maybe mine was a placebo as I didn't experience anything and I mean ANYTHING, not even a red mark or swelling where I was injected!
 
I agree that you can not force anyone to have any medical treatment and the law supports this view. But if anyone does refuse the jab then people must accept the restrictions that may come with that which i feel may be big changes such as travel, insurance and the like. Could be wrong but looking at whats been on TV travel may be a big issue.
 
linkshouse said:
I know that the side effects and their severity vary from person to person and some on here have reported quite severe reaction.

It worries me that maybe mine was a placebo as I didn't experience anything and I mean ANYTHING, not even a red mark or swelling where I was injected!
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Same here after having the first dose of the Astra Zeneca vacinne, no issues at all. Nieghbours both 81 years old, one had the Pfizer, fatigue, Aches and pains for 3/4 days. The other had no issues at all after the Astra Zeneca vacinne.
Regardless, I would rather have a few days of discomfort than get the virus.
 
izwozral said:
Interesting fact: it has been calculated that there is an 83.3% chance of surviving the first shot playing Russian roulette using a six cylinder pistol, this reduces to 66% on the second shot and so the percentage decreases with each shot. However, the percentage returns to 83.3% if the cylinder is spun before each time the trigger is pulled.

To my way of thinking 83.3% isn't that far off 99,7% and if you factor in the chance of surviving Covid but come away with some of the debilitating after effects, then the percentage starts to narrow.

Oh, remember to factor into the equation, should you wish to play Russian roulette and you do catch the bullet, it is pretty certain that death will be 100% likely!

All I can say to you is : good luck and I hope you don't pass it on to anyone else, because if you do and they die, you will live with that for the rest of your life.
Not something I could live with if I killed a loved one or anybody else for that matter.
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Russian roulette that’s an interesting way of looking at it since I’m pretty sure I had it last year, my odds by your theory must now be diminished I however don’t see myself as pointing a loaded gun at my own head I do however believe that the majority who received the jab could well be by taking a jab that was only permitted under emergency conditions as it is not fully tested indeed the trails don’t end till 2023 of course the manufacturers have been granted immunity from all liabilities should the worst happen,I do sincerely hope that all goes well and nobody gets hurt but my concerns about this jab are big enough to make me wait a couple of years and see what any long term affects are before I even consider taking it I’m sure I can manage a couple of holidays in the UK till then after all that’s what our vans are for and if I ever do feel ill I can assure you I will do what I’ve done for the last 57 years when feeling a bit under the weather stay away from people until I feel better so theres not much chance of me Killing anyone as you imply which is more than I can say for the vaccine manufacturers
 
mark61 said:
You'll have to wait for next dose for robot functions to be available 🤣
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MaxusMicky said:
Russian roulette that’s an interesting way of looking at it since I’m pretty sure I had it last year, my odds by your theory must now be diminished I however don’t see myself as pointing a loaded gun at my own head I do however believe that the majority who received the jab could well be by taking a jab that was only permitted under emergency conditions as it is not fully tested indeed the trails don’t end till 2023 of course the manufacturers have been granted immunity from all liabilities should the worst happen,I do sincerely hope that all goes well and nobody gets hurt but my concerns about this jab are big enough to make me wait a couple of years and see what any long term affects are before I even consider taking it I’m sure I can manage a couple of holidays in the UK till then after all that’s what our vans are for and if I ever do feel ill I can assure you I will do what I’ve done for the last 57 years when feeling a bit under the weather stay away from people until I feel better so theres not much chance of me Killing anyone as you imply which is more than I can say for the vaccine manufacturers
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You previously stated that you are not an anti-vaxxer, the post above reads otherwise.
Anyway, it's your choice whether you want to protect yourself or not but you should know that you can be asymptomatic and be spreading your germs far and wide and those you infect have had no choice in the matter.
 
I'll still take my chances with the vaccine, thank you.

They're now starting to report that anyone who has a compromised immune system (the likes of me and Annie, for example) doesn't get such a high percentage of protection from the 1st vaccine (AZ) as everyone else, currently reporting 33%?

However, the protection is purported to go up to 95% for the immuno-compromised after the second dose.
Hope they're right!

I think it's still too early days to tell.
We're all still at the beginning of a global guinea pig experiment to try and tackle this nasty disease.

The main thing is that the jab doesn't appear to have given me any 'lingering' symptoms at all (y)👌

Unlike those who actually caught covid and are now experiencing 'long-covid'!
And if their long-covid symptoms are anything like those a good friend has been suffering for a whole year now, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy! 😳 😢
 
MaxusMicky said:
Russian roulette that’s an interesting way of looking at it since I’m pretty sure I had it last year, my odds by your theory must now be diminished I however don’t see myself as pointing a loaded gun at my own head I do however believe that the majority who received the jab could well be by taking a jab that was only permitted under emergency conditions as it is not fully tested indeed the trails don’t end till 2023 of course the manufacturers have been granted immunity from all liabilities should the worst happen,I do sincerely hope that all goes well and nobody gets hurt but my concerns about this jab are big enough to make me wait a couple of years and see what any long term affects are before I even consider taking it I’m sure I can manage a couple of holidays in the UK till then after all that’s what our vans are for and if I ever do feel ill I can assure you I will do what I’ve done for the last 57 years when feeling a bit under the weather stay away from people until I feel better so theres not much chance of me Killing anyone as you imply which is more than I can say for the vaccine manufacturers
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Good points.
A crises for some, has always been an opportunity for others. The pharmaceuticals are saints now, people have short memories, and why wouldn’t they, they’ve been frightened, they’ll clasp at anything.

I’m having the vaccine, my choice, others can choose not to.

What we have here though, is people are so frightened they are willing to restrict other people, that I have no time for.
 
izwozral said:
You previously stated that you are not an anti-vaxxer, the post above reads otherwise.
Anyway, it's your choice whether you want to protect yourself or not but you should know that you can be asymptomatic and be spreading your germs far and wide and those you infect have had no choice in the matter.
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You could be asymptomatic after taking the vaccine, we don't know yet.
 
mark61 said:
You could be asymptomatic after taking the vaccine, we don't know yet.
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The current thinking is that the chances of being asymptomatic after the first jab is reduced by 75%, the data with the second jab has yet to be done.

If I was still waiting for a jab and I had to stand in a room full of people, one occupied by those who have had the jab or a room occupied by those that hadn't, I would be an idiot to choose the latter!
 
izwozral said:
The current thinking is that the chances of being asymptomatic after the first jab is reduced by 75%, the data with the second jab has yet to be done.

If I was still waiting for a jab and I had to stand in a room full of people, one occupied by those who have had the jab or a room occupied by those that hadn't, I would be an idiot to choose the latter!
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Well, there lots of “current thinking” I’ll wait till we have the data before I suggest restricting other peoples travel or accusing them of spreading the virus.

The current thinking is also we may have to have regular jabs, well no problem for most here, we don’t have to worry too much about the long term, but are we really expecting 20 year olds to have annual jabs and then guarantee there will be no side effects by the time they are 60+. We going to call them selfish too if they choose not to comply?
 
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