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Oops! May have jumped the gun a bit there. I only sent the Email at 10 yesterday morning, I thought it was the day before!
Oops! May have jumped the gun a bit there. I only sent the Email at 10 yesterday morning, I thought it was the day before!
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That no excuse Rob.
I answer emails like people answer the phone. Its a bit of a joke with my clients. Either my phone or laptop pings as soon as they come in even in the middle of the night and I just have to answer them immediately even if its to say Ill come back to you. The real reason is ill probably forget otherwise.
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That no excuse Rob.
In the past Barry, whenever I have Emailed councils, they usually send an acknowledgement Email to say that it has been passed onto the relevant department and somebody will get back to you, or words to that effect. Not this time though.
I'll give them another week, and then ........erm, give them another week I suppose! etc. etc.
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In pursuing Parking Provision for Motorhomes and promoting overnight stopping places I have contacted every county and district council in the UK, Motorway Services providers and Major service station providers. Some failed to acknowledge and took more than two attempts, even using Freedom of Information legislation to get a reply.
Parish councils do not have the infrastructure of the larger councils, so rely on a clerk or the councillor to act on their behalf. Do not expect a speedy outcome but persistence can actually get you somewhere.
Graham Hadfield (Motorhome Parking Website) with tell you the same.
A first reply may be dismissive, but put your points over and attempt to continue the dialogue. You may even get a face to face meeting, however you then need people to follow through, not just be keyboard warriors.
John Thompson (former Motorhome Tourism Organisation)
Parish councils do not have the infrastructure of the larger councils, so rely on a clerk or the councillor to act on their behalf. Do not expect a speedy outcome but persistence can actually get you somewhere.
Graham Hadfield (Motorhome Parking Website) with tell you the same.
A first reply may be dismissive, but put your points over and attempt to continue the dialogue. You may even get a face to face meeting, however you then need people to follow through, not just be keyboard warriors.
John Thompson (former Motorhome Tourism Organisation)
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Thanks for that.
I have to say, I am not particularly bothered about the location in question in this thread. It is not a place I would use.
However, I am concerned about the whole issue of wildcamping anywhere these days, so I am very interested in Masham PC's attitude to any motorhomes parking in the area.
I will send another Email next week if there is no response and see where we go from there.
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Thank you for your many and varied responses to the initial post regarding restricted access to the area.
The very first comment I must make is to refute completely the appalling and very unworthy suggestion that the barrier has been installed in order that the Chairman of the council can benefit in any way from a possible increase in visitors to the one small site she owns.
The question of access to the area has been discussed in the community for a number of years and there has long been a sizeable number of the community who wanted to see some control action to prevent unauthorised access. The Shooting Holme is actually designated as a Village Green and therefore should benefit from the protection of a byelaw. Unfortunately that and the signage on display has not prevented a number of visitors staying overnight and regrettably by no means all of the visitors are as thoughtful or self contained as your members appear to be. The town has for a number of years had to put up with disruption to the area when groups of visitors arrive and leave an untidy mess and often human excrement. Whilst I'm not suggesting that your members are guilty of this type of behaviour, it is representative of what the town has had to suffer. As a result, and after a number of other actions were tried and failed, the council has determined that it had to take action to control access by way of a height barrier. It is recognised that this will not please everyone, and indeed there are local community members who are also put out by this action.
Masham does of course welcome visitors, but in this particular respect has decided that there was a need to take action in response to the concerns of the community. I do hope that on balance you will acknowledge and accept the decision of the council.
Thank you for your many and varied responses to the initial post regarding restricted access to the area.
The very first comment I must make is to refute completely the appalling and very unworthy suggestion that the barrier has been installed in order that the Chairman of the council can benefit in any way from a possible increase in visitors to the one small site she owns.
The question of access to the area has been discussed in the community for a number of years and there has long been a sizeable number of the community who wanted to see some control action to prevent unauthorised access. The Shooting Holme is actually designated as a Village Green and therefore should benefit from the protection of a byelaw. Unfortunately that and the signage on display has not prevented a number of visitors staying overnight and regrettably by no means all of the visitors are as thoughtful or self contained as your members appear to be. The town has for a number of years had to put up with disruption to the area when groups of visitors arrive and leave an untidy mess and often human excrement. Whilst I'm not suggesting that your members are guilty of this type of behaviour, it is representative of what the town has had to suffer. As a result, and after a number of other actions were tried and failed, the council has determined that it had to take action to control access by way of a height barrier. It is recognised that this will not please everyone, and indeed there are local community members who are also put out by this action.
Masham does of course welcome visitors, but in this particular respect has decided that there was a need to take action in response to the concerns of the community. I do hope that on balance you will acknowledge and accept the decision of the council.
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I have now received a reply from Tom Johnson;
Dear Rob
Many thanks for your notification.
The initial post was made at the request of the council and I have today posted a reply to those comments made so far.
I must say that I was appalled at some of the comments suggesting the that the decision had been made to benefit the chairman and her camp site business. People should not make assumptions without knowing at least some of the facts.
Anyway, I’ve explained in more detail why the council made the decision and hope that your members will accept if not welcome that news.
Dear Rob
Many thanks for your notification.
The initial post was made at the request of the council and I have today posted a reply to those comments made so far.
I must say that I was appalled at some of the comments suggesting the that the decision had been made to benefit the chairman and her camp site business. People should not make assumptions without knowing at least some of the facts.
Anyway, I’ve explained in more detail why the council made the decision and hope that your members will accept if not welcome that news.
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I'm not sure Andy.
I've replied to Tom to tell him that we cannot see a reply, so hopefully, he will try again.
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Hello Tom,
Hopefully you will still be monitoring this.
'Appalled' is a rather strong retort. Some members, myself included, queried if a Declaration of Prejudicial Interest had been made.
While I for one, applaud the excellent work carried out by by Parish Councils, there are due processes that should be followed, to the benefit of all concerned.
The rights of the driver of a motor-home should be taken into consideration.
Open, honest and genuine communication is key in situations such as this, intransigence is not.
Maybe to begin a discussion around:
Are there alternative local locations for our members to use?
We all know the benefits of responsible motor-homing to the local economy but what else can we do? Give our members the opportunity and let them --
-demonstrate how much we work towards and value good community relations.
Defibrillator? Need a refresher training course, Free of charge, of course.
Some of our members, specialise in early morning littler picks, lol
Maybe the Parish Council has some similar events coming up that would benefit from a little extra volunteer help?
I think we have a great opportunity to open that door to communication and not allow it to be slammed shut, what do you think ?
Hopefully you will still be monitoring this.
'Appalled' is a rather strong retort. Some members, myself included, queried if a Declaration of Prejudicial Interest had been made.
While I for one, applaud the excellent work carried out by by Parish Councils, there are due processes that should be followed, to the benefit of all concerned.
The rights of the driver of a motor-home should be taken into consideration.
Open, honest and genuine communication is key in situations such as this, intransigence is not.
Maybe to begin a discussion around:
Are there alternative local locations for our members to use?
We all know the benefits of responsible motor-homing to the local economy but what else can we do? Give our members the opportunity and let them --
-demonstrate how much we work towards and value good community relations.
Defibrillator? Need a refresher training course, Free of charge, of course.
Some of our members, specialise in early morning littler picks, lol
Maybe the Parish Council has some similar events coming up that would benefit from a little extra volunteer help?
I think we have a great opportunity to open that door to communication and not allow it to be slammed shut, what do you think ?
Robmac
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The reason I raised that point is because in the past, councillors who own sites have actively campaigned on TV and in the newspapers to ban motorhomes, so I thought it needed to be noted as a consideration in this case, so there is no possibility of a conflict of interest, no matter how big or small the business is.
However, I personally respect the decision in the case of the Shooting Holme, but was hoping that you would come up with an alternative other than campsites?