L.E.D. changeover.

[bigboack]

Hia
I would like to thank you all for helping me to make my mind up on should I or should I not change my lights for LED
I have decided to leave alone
But Thank You All

Dont blame you Polly, As i remember you told my Missus that you stay mainly on sites, so no need for LED's,

Happy camping Polly

 

[Belgian]

Hia
I would like to thank you all for helping me to make my mind up on should I or should I not change my lights for LED
I have decided to leave alone
But Thank You All

Changing halogens for LED's is no problem, Polly.
If you find those 2-pin LED's get them and simply put them in the place of the halogens. No problem at all
"Put the lights on" Polly,
Cheers,
Leo

 

[biggirafe]

Hi All
I have just purchased a couple of LED lights from fleebay as a bit of an experiment and thought I would share the results.

The lights I bought were these, very cheap even with postage from Hong Kong
2pc 12V White 1156 36-LED CAR Light Panel Energy Saving on eBay (end time 24-Dec-09 22:23:32 GMT)


The results are below, Even though its a bit Heath Robinson I'm very pleased with this as they are bright and can easily be replaced with standard bulbs if needs be or when I sell the van. I tried some of the normal replacement bulbs but found they were too fat and would not reach the bayonet in the spots, these come on a short trailing wire which is perfect. I have glued them in place with a couple of dabs of rubber glue that can easily be removed if I want.

Any thoughts

 

[Kontiki]

Is more LED's better or brighter? I saw these on eBay G4 21 LED Cabinet Spotlight they also have 12 & 18 ones, the price is about the same just the shipping is a bit cheaper.
Not too keen on buying from Hong Kong but the prices seem pretty cheap so I might chance a couple of quid to see what they are like.

 

[biggirafe]

Is more LED's better or brighter? I saw these on eBay G4 21 LED Cabinet Spotlight they also have 12 & 18 ones, the price is about the same just the shipping is a bit cheaper.
Not too keen on buying from Hong Kong but the prices seem pretty cheap so I might chance a couple of quid to see what they are like.

More LEDs is brighter, but also uses more lecky, although with led's the ammount of lecky is negligible. The ones I used are sold as a replacement for your brakelights so should give an idea of how bright 36 leds is.

I buy plenty from Hong Kong via fleebay and have so far not had any issues, if you pay just standard postage it does take about 5 days to recieve the goods but thats not a problem. If you buy several at a time and message them before paying they will often combine the postage

 

[Kontiki]

Ordered 2 of these 'G4 6 SMD LED Marine Warm white Light Bulb Lamp 12V' item 220505597522 from ebay Auto_led_shop365 . They are 99 pence each but post & packing is £1.49 they looked like the ones I had seen at the shows. I tried emailing to ask is they would do a combined shipping charge but they said no as the price is cheap. I had already seen the same question asked but I thought I'd try anyway, I usually ask a question when buying off ebay as I think it gives an indication of who you are dealing with, ones who don't reply to a query before I buy are unlikely to be any better communicating if you have a problem.
Up to now I had an email to say that they have been dispatched on the 28th Nov. & they said that it can take up to 14 working days so I will update when they come.

 

[rickboy]

LED great minds

I did exactly the same re combined shipping,and had the same reply.I have ordered a couple of the G4 21 led type .Will post the results if and when I receive the lights.

 

[Kontiki]

I looked at the 21 LED ones, they were 99 pence each + 99 pence p&p, but for those they also had them priced at 2 for 99 pence + £2.59 p&p so saving a little bit.
It's a pity they won't do anything about the postage, if they did I would be inclined to take a chance & order enough for all the lights in the van, I did think about ordering them one at a time as it would cost them in time & postage but apart from that it wouldn't save me anything. I saw somebody had asked if they did a reduction on postage for ordering 10 but they got the same answer as I did

 

[biggirafe]

Ordered 2 of these 'G4 6 SMD LED Marine Warm white Light Bulb Lamp 12V' item 220505597522 from ebay Auto_led_shop365 . They are 99 pence each but post & packing is £1.49 they looked like the ones I had seen at the shows. I tried emailing to ask is they would do a combined shipping charge but they said no as the price is cheap. I had already seen the same question asked but I thought I'd try anyway, I usually ask a question when buying off ebay as I think it gives an indication of who you are dealing with, ones who don't reply to a query before I buy are unlikely to be any better communicating if you have a problem.
Up to now I had an email to say that they have been dispatched on the 28th Nov. & they said that it can take up to 14 working days so I will update when they come.

6 LEDS, The ones I have bought are 36 leds for the spotlights and 18 led's for the overhead lights. I'd be interested to know how bright these are as they are cheaper than getting the ones from Hong Kong.

I have had excellent results with the Hong Kong ones. We were out last night and even with the kids turning lights on left right and centre the meter had hardly moved on the battery when we left today at lunch time.

 

[biggirafe]

Hi AJS
These are the ones that might fit your lights
12V AC DC Warm White 90 Lumen G4 Base 9 SMD LED Bulb on eBay (end time 29-Nov-09 18:57:33 GMT)

 

[Proff]

This issue is puzzling me.

I was always under the impression that a vehicle runs at or about 13.8 volts in normal driving use. It is only when the alternator stops producing and the battery stands for a while that it reaches 12volts.

If I change my side lights to LEDs for Parking (Over 3500kg need sidelights on while parked in lay-by on roads over 30 mph speed limit.) Will these burn out faster if I run with sidelights on (In fog or at night)?

I have only two non-florescent lights in my van (Spotlights at 12v 21W) plus two 5w bulbs in the awning light.

I have seen bulbs listed with the normal bayonet fittings to replace side and stop/tail lights. I see no point in changing flasher bulbs as these are only used while the vehicle is running or for hazard lights.

My gas generator auto senses battery voltage and cuts out at 14.5v so if I fit LEDs to the interior they may have that voltage applied while charging the leisure batteries

Your advice and opinions please.

You have inbuilt parking lights on your Hymer..
same as our 660
turn light switch anti clockwise to the arrows, one puts left lights only, on other arrow right side only...
THEN go to campercare>>>Welcome to the CamperCare website
look for the equivalent bulbs that are illuminated in the parking lights and replace with the LEDS.
we have changed ALL our [apart from Headlights] to LED
no problem parked up for 12 hours in the dark now..
Even the festoon bulbs in the wardrobe and marker lights have been changed

We are also 4.6 tonne gross so need to park with lights

Another thing is VOSA are on about bringing in COMPULSORY reversing bleepers, for vehicles 3.5 tonne and over.
I've found an ingenious way with leds, some clever so 'n so combined bleeper in the bulb and they WORK, got two in the Hymer >>
From here >>
reverse bleeper bulb reversing T4 T25 camper 4x4 van X2 on eBay (end time 15-Dec-09 11:03:05 GMT)

Others want £7+ each, plus post. he does them for £4 for 2 plus £2.15 post.
I've bought a dozen and all are fitted in my Cars, my sons Cars and even put one in a mates bike as his STOPLIGHT
it's driving him mad looking for the bleep every time he brakes

My MOT examiner loves them as well and is fitting all his vehicles with them.....


Regarding the Flouro light over the worksurface, I removed all the gubbins and wired 2 of these in the original mounting plate, light is perfect and they use less than 10% of the power used by the 3 flouro tubes !!!

http://www.ledbulbs4u.co.uk/catalogue/Viewer.jsp?pID=235

If anyones not sure I'll post a pic showing exactly how they fit in....

 

[Kontiki]

The ones I'm getting are from Hong Kong, I decided to go with the 6 LED type as I had seen these at the shows. All the ones I saw seemed to be 60 lumen (which I assume is how bright they are) no matter how many LED's my thinking was more LED's possible more likely to have a problem. If they are the same brightness then I couldn't see any benefit from having more. It looks like the yellowish coloured flat type LED works out at 10 lumen for every LED, 6 LED = 60 lumen - 9 LED = 90 lumen. Question is how bright in lumen is a normal G4 10 watt bulb when I looked on one site selling them in the specs they were from 100 to 150 lumens maybe this isn't how to work out the brightness?

The best price I saw for the Warm White 90 Lumen G4 Base 9 SMD LED Bulb 12V AC DC from a UK outlet. I was going to try out the ones from HK to see what they are like & if I want something brighter I might buy a couple of these from the UK.

 

[Deleted member 967]

You have inbuilt parking lights on your Hymer..
same as our 660
turn light switch anti clockwise to the arrows, one puts left lights only, on other arrow right side only...
THEN go to campercare>>>Welcome to the CamperCare website
look for the equivalent bulbs that are illuminated in the parking lights and replace with the LEDS.
we have changed ALL our [apart from Headlights] to LED
no problem parked up for 12 hours in the dark now..
Even the festoon bulbs in the wardrobe and marker lights have been changed

We are also 4.6 tonne gross so need to park with lights

Another thing is VOSA are on about bringing in COMPULSORY reversing bleepers, for vehicles 3.5 tonne and over.
I've found an ingenious way with leds, some clever so 'n so combined bleeper in the bulb and they WORK, got two in the Hymer >>
From here >>
reverse bleeper bulb reversing T4 T25 camper 4x4 van X2 on eBay (end time 15-Dec-09 11:03:05 GMT)

Others want £7+ each, plus post. he does them for £4 for 2 plus £2.15 post.
I've bought a dozen and all are fitted in my Cars, my sons Cars and even put one in a mates bike as his STOPLIGHT
it's driving him mad looking for the bleep every time he brakes

My MOT examiner loves them as well and is fitting all his vehicles with them.....


Regarding the Flouro light over the worksurface, I removed all the gubbins and wired 2 of these in the original mounting plate, light is perfect and they use less than 10% of the power used by the 3 flouro tubes !!!

CamperCare Image Viewer

If anyones not sure I'll post a pic showing exactly how they fit in....

Thanks for all that info. The way you have fitted LEDs into a Fluorescent Fitting appeals to me.

 

[Norris]

might have been a good idea to do them as they failed one at a time it would have cost the same but would have hurt less a bit at a time

Mmmm but they might have failed in the dark on a rainy night on day one of a three month break!

 

[Kontiki]

My Bulbs Came

Well my LED bulbs arrived from Hong Kong tried putting power on them & they light up they are quite brightBUT they don't fit the pins on a normal G4 halogen bulb measure 0.7mm the pins on my shiny bright new LED bulb from Hong Kong measure 1.48mm . I have written to them but looking at recent feedback they've had I don't think that I will get much joy. What I am going to have to do is unsolder the pins & solder something closer to the size, I'm thinking of using needles as I can get something very close to the size & they are quite tough. What I don't know is if they will solder ok I will try to solder them to something first to see is it works ok. I did have quite a few attempts to see if I could push the bulb in using long nose pliers, then I used some needles to gauge what size I can fit & about 1 mm is the absolute max.

 

[Kontiki]

Wrote to the supplier in Hong Kong & received this reply:
'If is so we'd like to resend you 2 new G4 6SMD, and the pin is just thinner than before. Is it OK?

Best wishes
auto_lamp'
Then when I wrote to say ok I then got this:
Dear our customer,
OK we'd like to resend you. Because of the Christmas it will spend much more to arrive, we hope you could understand it and we will rend them to you within 2 days. Hope you could understand it.

Best wishes
auto_lamp

Can't complain about their quick response, just have to see. Didn't ask what they want me to do with the other bulbs?

 

[twosugars]

Ordered 2 of these 'G4 6 SMD LED Marine Warm white Light Bulb Lamp 12V' item 220505597522 from ebay Auto_led_shop365 . They are 99 pence each but post & packing is £1.49 they looked like the ones I had seen at the shows. I tried emailing to ask is they would do a combined shipping charge but they said no as the price is cheap. I had already seen the same question asked but I thought I'd try anyway, I usually ask a question when buying off ebay as I think it gives an indication of who you are dealing with, ones who don't reply to a query before I buy are unlikely to be any better communicating if you have a problem.
Up to now I had an email to say that they have been dispatched on the 28th Nov. & they said that it can take up to 14 working days so I will update when they come.

i just fitted these on my van,

be very carefull as you push the pins into the fitting. the pins are glued to the circuit board (not very well) and may come unstuck!

 

[Kontiki]

The pins on the ones I have are soldered on, they seem to be fixed pretty good considering how I tried to get them in. But there is no way they would fit the pins are just too big. As you see they are supposed to be sending me some with thinner pins. I will see if they ask for the others back before I try to re-solder some thinner pins on.

I found some holders from the other type of lights (not the side fitting ones) & the bulbs fit in these. I intend to rig them up for a test using these so I can then switch between the halogen & the LED to judge how good they are.

 

[rickboy]

21 led

I got the 21LED from the same source.They fitted ok,beware they a polarity sensative and marked up + and -. I just got 2 to try and to be honest they are only about the same as 8/10 w halogen.I shall stay with fluorescents untill
they get brighter and cheaper.If you go the LED route you need a lot of them.

 

[Kontiki]

I tried the G4 6 SMD LED Warm White ones I received. I found some old spotlight holders & wired them up so I could connect them using a cigarette lighter plug. I was able to compare them to the normal 10 watt halogen bulbs, they were good but not quite as bright. These bulbs are 60 lumen ones so I might go for 2 of these Warm White 90 Lumen G4 Base 9 SMD LED Bulb 12V AC DC from a UK dealer at £4.04 delivered. They would be for the 2 main lights in the living area of the van.

Just looked at ordering from this site & it says they are shipped from directly from Hong Kong 7-15 days so not really what I expected as the company is called Suntrekstore UK. They do have a place in the UK but it seems that it is just for ordering & everything comes from Hong Kong.