Hank the Tanks Dodgy battery and solar system

Mine seems to be pretty consistent, mine just now on the monitor off Aliexpress..

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So that is monitoring the cab battery then Kev which was your main problem I believe?

I don't think I have a facility to check that short of sticking a plug in voltage tester in the cig charger although the Swift control panel shows the state of both batteries but its just sat in the green between 12v and 13v right now. Merl tested it though and it was charging the cab battery as well yesterday. Clever little device.
 
Well after nearly a year and 46 pages it looks like there is a conclusion to the Hank the Tanks dodgy battery and solar system thread!

All thanks to @merl.

I've been here since yesterday morning and we only got knocked off about an hour ago. In the main because I kept giving poor Merl more jobs! :LOL:

Ill try and keep it brief but he really has worked so hard sorting this. The new panel was put up straight away and its a fair bit smaller than the existing one so I guess I was right when I reckoned it was at least a 120w. (Forgot to take photos so will try when I Get home). We had to put a new roof gland in as the existing one literally fell to bits when we prodded it so that was kind of lucky really.

Everything in and working as it should and the second battery wired properly with "proper Cables". Very happy. Merl has explained all the Float, Absorption and bulk stuff to me and I have the Victron App. I think we were getting 8.5 amps in at some point this afternoon.

The bloody toilet flush had packed up so I asked Merl to look at it. After much investigating it turned out there was no power to it and the fuse was ok as its now integrated with the water pump. It took poor Merl a long time to figure it out and we had to run cables using rods round the back of the bathroom to rewire it all. I Cant thank him enough for this as I can guess if I had took it to a dealer or even my motorhome fixit guy it would have cost a fortune while they replaced everything first.

He also sorted my new bed supports as obviously I had not fitted them correctly and now all the right stoppers etc are in place. He even cleaned the old panel and roof lights! :D

Thanks to all who took part in this thread, I really appreciate it but a massive special thanks to Merl. You are a star!!

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Barry do us all a favour, next time you need something done to your van keep it quiet.

I mean 921 posts on a solar system………..geeeeezzz :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

On a serous note well dome Merl.
 
So that is monitoring the cab battery then Kev which was your main problem I believe?

I don't think I have a facility to check that short of sticking a plug in voltage tester in the cig charger although the Swift control panel shows the state of both batteries but its just sat in the green between 12v and 13v right now. Merl tested it though and it was charging the cab battery as well yesterday. Clever little device.
Yes mate, that's why I posted a link for you to get one, all we did was extend the wires Merlin soldered them but butt terminals would be fine, & connected it up for me in the fuse box under the dash right hand side, not a big job, it just sits on the dash in the corner by the screen, the Bluetooth range is off the charts, Merlin could pick it up from his kitchen window, and I was parked right in front of his van, I paced it out and got 42 steps so we reckon 30m +, I can take a picture of how it;s fitted for you or anyone who wanted to fit one, you need on of these to fit it into the fuse box though https://amzn.eu/d/65VvuSJ

Funny but the price keeps going up, it was only £10 when I got mine.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...o.order_list.order_list_main.4.6fd21802rEcucc

Plus the free app https://play.google.com/store/search?q=bm6+battery+monitor&c=apps

 
Ali Express... I ordered a cooler for my new computer and was told it was shipped, it was in transit, it cleared customs, then it vanished, and it was not happening after all. It was bizarre to put it mildly. Once bitten, they can get stuffed.
 
Ali Express... I ordered a cooler for my new computer and was told it was shipped, it was in transit, it cleared customs, then it vanished, and it was not happening after all. It was bizarre to put it mildly. Once bitten, they can get stuffed.
To be fair, I've had stuff go missing, even from UK suppliers. It doesn't take much for the system to fail. Most stuff arrives on time and intact; if not, they send another out or refund you.
 
Well. Thanks for the kind words from everyone.
Now having first hand experience of Barry's system I think the biggest factor contributing to his low battery capacity when on solar (it performed better after a hook up charge) wasn't particularly the battery, solar panel or PWM charge controller. Although all of the above were arguably only borderline adequate the issue was the wiring between charge controller and battery. This was previously done with 0.75mm flex which was massively under sized and so thin and at over 2metres long was dropping over half a volt, the upshot being that with decent sun and an output of 5A the output of the controller saw a voltage of 14.5V and hence switched out of bulk charge mode but in reality the actual battery voltage was still less than 14V and was nowhere near ready to be going into absorption stage. The result is a much longer and drawn out charging process and essentially an undercharged battery.
Anyhoo, that's all academic because there's an extra panel, and extra battery, a Gizmott and an MPPT charge controller too, with the cable size now 10mm ( yep overkill WRT power loss but not WRT the controller communicating with the battery, see above) So it's sad too see the final demise of this thread but I reckon it's curtains folks. Maybe we should have an annual meet up on here just for old time's sake? Perhaps not eh🙄
 
Well. Thanks for the kind words from everyone.
Now having first hand experience of Barry's system I think the biggest factor contributing to his low battery capacity when on solar (it performed better after a hook up charge) wasn't particularly the battery, solar panel or PWM charge controller. Although all of the above were arguably only borderline adequate the issue was the wiring between charge controller and battery. This was previously done with 0.75mm flex which was massively under sized and so thin and at over 2metres long was dropping over half a volt, the upshot being that with decent sun and an output of 5A the output of the controller saw a voltage of 14.5V and hence switched out of bulk charge mode but in reality the actual battery voltage was still less than 14V and was nowhere near ready to be going into absorption stage. The result is a much longer and drawn out charging process and essentially an undercharged battery.
Anyhoo, that's all academic because there's an extra panel, and extra battery, a Gizmott and an MPPT charge controller too, with the cable size now 10mm ( yep overkill WRT power loss but not WRT the controller communicating with the battery, see above) So it's sad too see the final demise of this thread but I reckon it's curtains folks. Maybe we should have an annual meet up on here just for old time's sake? Perhaps not eh🙄
I assume swift did not use 0.75mm cable on a solar set up.
His new Victron MPPT will improve things Merlin.
Very good of you to do what you did. (y)
 
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I didn't advertise it, but Merlin did mine too which was much more involved, but he & Kim are both stars.

He cleaned my roof and skylights, but negated to do the overcab bit :rolleyes: :rolleyes: , fitted my old spare 85w panel, removed the MPPT controller from where MCEA had fitted it against my wishes and refitted it as I had asked them to, he removed and re-used the cabling they had unnecessarily used and re-used some of that, fitted an isolation switch (yes we know a fuse would have done) which is a tidier method, fitted the wonderful Merlin Gizmott, and installed the the Bestek 300w inverter. All this is in the wardrobe now, where I can access it easily, he also fitted the BM6 battery monitor, sorted out my broken waste tank piep and valve, looks like a swinging dick now :D :D :D but it'll never break off again, he was going to fix the accident damage to my back bumper that i did in France, but it'd been whacked before and needed more work than I felt could be done there with what we had, so I will have to give that a bit of thought.

Not the easiest install as we had to work around existing stuff, I say we as I didn't just sit on my harris and observe, but I was limited in what I could do.

Above all else, I've been cahtting with Merlin on WhatsApp for a few weeks, his good humour help and advice have been most helpful along the way, but TBH, I don't need an excused to speak to him or Kim, the mirth abounds from both of them, salt of the earth just doesn't say enough, I'm not good with people, but with these two I am more than comfortable, I feel we'll be fast friends for many years to come.

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Well safely back home although the A66 tried to catch me out by being gridlocked again but being a local hooligan I found my way around that.

Poor Merl. I had to wake him up this morning. Even then he smiled and was very jolly. If it had been the other way round I would have told him to fcuk off!! :LOL:

I can't see the Victron controller on the app though from the house but that is perhaps a good thing. Ill end up like Kev obsessing over apps, displays, voltages and machines that go ping!

There was some debate yesterday of what size the original panel is. Its hard to tell from the photos but its considerably larger than the 100w new one. Merl did some tests and thought it was maybe a 115w but I thought it might be a 140w just going on the difference in size.

What do you think? Angles of the photos are not great.

The good news is its still there 150 miles later :D

Should we have an auction for the old PWM controller?

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I believe that if your battery had gone to zero volts and killed the ECU and the cost was around £800 you might obsess for a while too, but once I know all is well I'll pretty much not bother, but it's good to know it's there and I'm sure it's a good thing to have, but it'll come into it's own come winter as the LB always had a good charge in it, I do have EHU (coz I put electric in my garage) if needed but I'm not sure I'll need it but at least I'll know and not have to rely on going to the van to see for sure, but you will :D :D
 
I believe that if your battery had gone to zero volts and killed the ECU and the cost was around £800 you might obsess for a while too, but once I know all is well I'll pretty much not bother, but it's good to know it's there and I'm sure it's a good thing to have, but it'll come into it's own come winter as the LB always had a good charge in it, I do have EHU (coz I put electric in my garage) if needed but I'm not sure I'll need it but at least I'll know and not have to rely on going to the van to see for sure, but you will :D :D

Oh yes Merl mentioned that to me what happened to you. Shocking Kev. I can understand your worry. I am pretty sure however I read in the manual somewhere that my Ducato (2015) supposedly shuts the cab battery down or something like that if it gets to a voltage nearing where it would not start the vehicle. I've never worried about it as its always been kept charged over winter somehow with that crappy old controller. They all should have something like that built in really.

I preferred old last century Hank the Tank. I just pulled off the negative battery lead under the bonnet when parked up for ages or over winter :D Modern vehicles will no doubt throw a hissy fit if you do that.
 
We think the temp dropping to minus 11.5 won't have helped it went to zero volts, I even bought a dumb charger and it was putting in 3amps over two days and still nowt but I did loads of testing with Merlin over the phone with a clamp.meter and a multimeter before it got recovered, then the battery recovered on its its own up to 11.7v and it started up easily so lord knows how, the ECU repairer said using a booster may have killed it but surely if you get them.out to a flat battery the first thing they'll do is put a booster pack on to get you going so I'm not accepting that.
 
He knows his electrics Merl! I am sure he wont mind me posting this (in fact I am sure I asked him if it was ok although I was a bit pissed at the time). The Valve amp he built himself and these fabulous 1959 speakers (I forget the name) are absolutely amazing. It was most interesting learning about all the valves and stuff. It sounded superb. Of course I got him to play some Bazza Bingo stuff and amazingly it didn't blow up. In fact I was feckin impressed how great it sounded. :D Photos are a bit crap but the two square boxes are the speakers and the amp is on the top left with all the valves on show. So clever.

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Hi, you can get a tiny camera on a lead to fit on your phone from Temu for less than a tenner, I got one to follow a wire in the depths of the van. I used it to view the label on the under side of the solar panel which has the wattage details. Very handy piece of kit for the toolbox.
 
Hi, you can get a tiny camera on a lead to fit on your phone from Temu for less than a tenner, I got one to follow a wire in the depths of the van. I used it to view the label on the under side of the solar panel which has the wattage details. Very handy piece of kit for the toolbox.

That could have been useful yesterday. We had to get a cable from the battery box in the back behind the bathroom, over the hidden wheel arch and up to the toilet flush switch and all done by feeding rods which just would not pop through. I was all for giving up but Merl just wouldn't and was determined and we got there in the end. A little camera to poke through would indeed be a great addition to a tool kit. In fact had we had one we could have attached it to the end of the flexi rod we were trying to poke through.
 
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