sundown
Guest
perhaps a list of conditions "or promises" on the back of the leaflet like
we will not use the stop-over as a campsite
no chairs etc. to be put outside van
dogs will be kept on lead on lead
no litter etc etc.
sundown
loubylou
Guest
good idea nick, I like that.
Deleted member 2636
Guest
You could get a DEFRA exemption and then you can give the details to where ever you wish to stay
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/regulat/forms/camp/CampGuide.pdf.
I believe that any organisation applying has to be able to satisfy various requirements regarding 3rd party liability insurance
http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/regulat/forms/camp/CampGuide.pdf.
I believe that any organisation applying has to be able to satisfy various requirements regarding 3rd party liability insurance
Don
Guest
This is a full Text of the law. I hope this will help with all nthe questions. Sorry it is so long.
UNDERSTANDING THE LAW
Legal restrictions in the UK affect what can and can’t be converted to a stopover. The following legal information is a little complicated.
The provision of camp sites and overnight stopover areas is mainly governed by The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act (1960),
which states that:
“No occupier of land should ‘cause or permit’ any part of his land to be used as a caravan site unless he holds a current site licence in respect of the land” where ‘caravan’ is understood to be ‘Any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another ... and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted’; ‘caravan site’ means ‘Land on which a caravan is stationed for the purposes of human habitation and land which is used in conjunction with land on which a caravan is so situated’; a ‘site licence’ requires planning permission, granted by the local planning authority.
HOWEVER
There are a few exceptions to the act:
1. Use within the curtilage of a dwelling house If the use of the land for habitation is incidental to the enjoyment of such a dwelling house. This allows for (eg) the occasional use by family and friends.
2. Use by a person travelling with a caravan for one or two nights provided:
· No other caravan is on the land or any adjoining land.
· The land is not used in this way for more than 28 days in the preceding year
This means that while we are allowed to stay outside pubs, restaurants, farms etc., this can’t be done for more than 28 days in the year – which means there is no point publicising that places are ‘motorhome friendly’ if they don’t have proper permission.
3. Use of holdings of five acres or more provided:
· A caravan is not stationed there for more than 28 days per year
· In that time, no more than three caravans are stationed thereon.
4. Certain situations concerning ‘exempted organisations’,
‘Exempted organisations’ are clubs or societies granted special exemption certificates. Most exempted organisations have ‘Paragraph 6’ exemption, which means that they can arrange meetings or rallies on non-camp site land for a period of up to five days. There are three ‘Paragraph 5’ societies: The Caravan Club, The Camping and Caravanning Club and The Motor Caravanners’ Club. These organisations can issue certificates to owners/occupiers of particular sites, stating that the land has been approved by them for use by their members for the purposes of recreation. These sites then become CLs (Certificated Locations) or CSs (Certificated Sites). Although in theory these sites are then open to any guests (even nonmembers of the clubs), however in practice The Caravan Club and The Camping and Caravanning Club forbid non-members to use their CLs and CSs.
5. Land occupied by a Local Authority.
WHAT THIS MEANS FOR STOPOVERS UK.
There is very little point chasing owners of privately occupied land such as truck stops, cafes, pubs, shops and so on. Unless they wish to obtain planning permission as a fully fledged camp site (including health and safety regulations etc.) it is illegal for them to have motor caravanners staying on their land regularly.
If the owner of private land wishes to establish a stopover, it may be possible for The Motor Caravanners’ Club to certify the site as a CL, which would be open to all motor caravanners, regardless of whether they are members of the MCC. We are currently in discussion with the MCC on this subject, so please send the details of the potential stopover site to us at Motor Caravan Magazine and we will pass these on to the MCC.
The fact that local authorities are exempt from the relevant legislation means that French style ‘aires’, run by the council for the use of tourists in the area – possibly but not necessarily including such facilities as waste disposal or even hook-up – are very possible.
THE BENEFITS OF STOPOVERS
So why would a town want to set up a motorhome stopover?
There are several benefits:
· Motor caravanning is big business. Motor caravanners spend £109m every year
while they are on holiday, Excluding site fees. Attracting motor caravanners to your area will therefore stimulate tourism and commerce.
· A dedicated area for motor caravans would dissuade owners from driving into the centre of towns, causing traffic or parking bottlenecks.
· Many car parks are unused at night. By charging a small fee, councils could gain extra revenue at almost no cost to themselves.
· European motor caravanners regularly quote a lack of stopovers as the main reason for not visiting the UK. Providing better facilities for visitors could boost revenue from overseas.
TESTIMONIALS
Stopovers do exist in the UK, and they are very successful.
· There are currently two official stopovers in Canterbury, Kent. One is in a coach
park while the other is in a park & ride car park. These have brought motor caravans to the area and local parking officials have confirmed that they have never caused any problems.
· Drew Davison, Chairman of the Broughshane Improvement Committee, says of another official stopover in Broughshane, County Antrim, ‘It has been proved to benefit this village and has encouraged people to spend the weekend here, and also to use the local facilities, such as the shops, restaurants and pubs.’
· Another official stopover in Tintagel, Cornwall has brought commerce to the local businesses and is generally regarded by the community as a positive phenomenon. There are lots of excellent camp sites in the area, but that these are not ideal for short-stay tourers who just want to stop overnight, see the sights and move on.
Stopovers are a cornerstone of tourism policy in France, Germany and Italy
THE OBJECTIONS
Here are a few of the objections you are likely to hear if officials don’t take to the idea of stopovers immediately.
It is illegal to let people stay in car parks.
- No it isn’t! There are several places in the UK – including Canterbury, Chester and Tintagel – where stopovers are already in place.
- If officials wish to contact these local councils, I can provide names and telephone numbers on request.
There will be problems with ‘travellers’
- In some cases this may be true, but in most it is a kneejerk reaction and an excuse. Many car parks already allow overnight parking, but do not allow anyone to stay in the vehicle overnight. There is clearly very little to stop travellers staying overnight if they wanted to, and the reason there is sometimes a problem with travellers is because they do not always obey rules and regulations.
- It is no easier or harder for a traveller to ignore a sign saying ‘No overnight camping’ as ‘Overnight stays limited to two nights’, so there is no evidence
that allowing short-term overnights stays would have any impact, positive or negative, on potential traveller problems.
It will cost money to maintain.
A stopover should not increase the cost of maintaining a car park, especially if Pay and Display points and the like are already in position. Motor caravanners do not require the use of facilities such as toilet blocks, and so there is no additional cost to maintaining these either.
UNDERSTANDING THE LAW
Legal restrictions in the UK affect what can and can’t be converted to a stopover. The following legal information is a little complicated.
The provision of camp sites and overnight stopover areas is mainly governed by The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act (1960),
which states that:
“No occupier of land should ‘cause or permit’ any part of his land to be used as a caravan site unless he holds a current site licence in respect of the land” where ‘caravan’ is understood to be ‘Any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another ... and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted’; ‘caravan site’ means ‘Land on which a caravan is stationed for the purposes of human habitation and land which is used in conjunction with land on which a caravan is so situated’; a ‘site licence’ requires planning permission, granted by the local planning authority.
HOWEVER
There are a few exceptions to the act:
1. Use within the curtilage of a dwelling house If the use of the land for habitation is incidental to the enjoyment of such a dwelling house. This allows for (eg) the occasional use by family and friends.
2. Use by a person travelling with a caravan for one or two nights provided:
· No other caravan is on the land or any adjoining land.
· The land is not used in this way for more than 28 days in the preceding year
This means that while we are allowed to stay outside pubs, restaurants, farms etc., this can’t be done for more than 28 days in the year – which means there is no point publicising that places are ‘motorhome friendly’ if they don’t have proper permission.
3. Use of holdings of five acres or more provided:
· A caravan is not stationed there for more than 28 days per year
· In that time, no more than three caravans are stationed thereon.
4. Certain situations concerning ‘exempted organisations’,
‘Exempted organisations’ are clubs or societies granted special exemption certificates. Most exempted organisations have ‘Paragraph 6’ exemption, which means that they can arrange meetings or rallies on non-camp site land for a period of up to five days. There are three ‘Paragraph 5’ societies: The Caravan Club, The Camping and Caravanning Club and The Motor Caravanners’ Club. These organisations can issue certificates to owners/occupiers of particular sites, stating that the land has been approved by them for use by their members for the purposes of recreation. These sites then become CLs (Certificated Locations) or CSs (Certificated Sites). Although in theory these sites are then open to any guests (even nonmembers of the clubs), however in practice The Caravan Club and The Camping and Caravanning Club forbid non-members to use their CLs and CSs.
5. Land occupied by a Local Authority.
WHAT THIS MEANS FOR STOPOVERS UK.
There is very little point chasing owners of privately occupied land such as truck stops, cafes, pubs, shops and so on. Unless they wish to obtain planning permission as a fully fledged camp site (including health and safety regulations etc.) it is illegal for them to have motor caravanners staying on their land regularly.
If the owner of private land wishes to establish a stopover, it may be possible for The Motor Caravanners’ Club to certify the site as a CL, which would be open to all motor caravanners, regardless of whether they are members of the MCC. We are currently in discussion with the MCC on this subject, so please send the details of the potential stopover site to us at Motor Caravan Magazine and we will pass these on to the MCC.
The fact that local authorities are exempt from the relevant legislation means that French style ‘aires’, run by the council for the use of tourists in the area – possibly but not necessarily including such facilities as waste disposal or even hook-up – are very possible.
THE BENEFITS OF STOPOVERS
So why would a town want to set up a motorhome stopover?
There are several benefits:
· Motor caravanning is big business. Motor caravanners spend £109m every year
while they are on holiday, Excluding site fees. Attracting motor caravanners to your area will therefore stimulate tourism and commerce.
· A dedicated area for motor caravans would dissuade owners from driving into the centre of towns, causing traffic or parking bottlenecks.
· Many car parks are unused at night. By charging a small fee, councils could gain extra revenue at almost no cost to themselves.
· European motor caravanners regularly quote a lack of stopovers as the main reason for not visiting the UK. Providing better facilities for visitors could boost revenue from overseas.
TESTIMONIALS
Stopovers do exist in the UK, and they are very successful.
· There are currently two official stopovers in Canterbury, Kent. One is in a coach
park while the other is in a park & ride car park. These have brought motor caravans to the area and local parking officials have confirmed that they have never caused any problems.
· Drew Davison, Chairman of the Broughshane Improvement Committee, says of another official stopover in Broughshane, County Antrim, ‘It has been proved to benefit this village and has encouraged people to spend the weekend here, and also to use the local facilities, such as the shops, restaurants and pubs.’
· Another official stopover in Tintagel, Cornwall has brought commerce to the local businesses and is generally regarded by the community as a positive phenomenon. There are lots of excellent camp sites in the area, but that these are not ideal for short-stay tourers who just want to stop overnight, see the sights and move on.
Stopovers are a cornerstone of tourism policy in France, Germany and Italy
THE OBJECTIONS
Here are a few of the objections you are likely to hear if officials don’t take to the idea of stopovers immediately.
It is illegal to let people stay in car parks.
- No it isn’t! There are several places in the UK – including Canterbury, Chester and Tintagel – where stopovers are already in place.
- If officials wish to contact these local councils, I can provide names and telephone numbers on request.
There will be problems with ‘travellers’
- In some cases this may be true, but in most it is a kneejerk reaction and an excuse. Many car parks already allow overnight parking, but do not allow anyone to stay in the vehicle overnight. There is clearly very little to stop travellers staying overnight if they wanted to, and the reason there is sometimes a problem with travellers is because they do not always obey rules and regulations.
- It is no easier or harder for a traveller to ignore a sign saying ‘No overnight camping’ as ‘Overnight stays limited to two nights’, so there is no evidence
that allowing short-term overnights stays would have any impact, positive or negative, on potential traveller problems.
It will cost money to maintain.
A stopover should not increase the cost of maintaining a car park, especially if Pay and Display points and the like are already in position. Motor caravanners do not require the use of facilities such as toilet blocks, and so there is no additional cost to maintaining these either.
Belgian
Guest
By-pass ?
I understand it's a legal maze to obtain permission for a CL or CS campsite.
Refer again to France Passion: they clearly avoid 'camping' and so on. I think they found a clever solution avoiding all 'camping' problems.
I quote from their website:
As regards overnight parking, the Invitations Formula is the free alternative offered to the camping-car owners by 840 wine-growers and farmers from almost all the regions in France.
This private welcome formula allows you to park freely, from one night up to 24 hours, on their property, without any financial or commercial constraint.
Make your trips easier - the generosity of our France Passion hosts means that we can offer more than 4000 free stopover parking spaces in the most beautiful vineyards and domains in France. From Brest to Bayonne or Strasbourg to Bastia, friendly properties along your route are ready and waiting to provide you with a safe stopover site.
With the Carnet des Invitations, motorhome owners can imagine the accent, the taste and the fragrance of their next stops, with complete freedom from March to Easter.
ON THE CAMPING CAR OWNERS SIDE :
Admitted as a guest, for having accepted the functioning rules and after having first made a written request, people with camping cars will receive a personal Invitation Card, a windscreen vehicle identification sticker, and the Invitations Booklet, for the current year.
The camping-car owner agrees to benefit from these invitations exclusively during their period of validity (easter to easter).
The invitation card and the windscreen sticker are offered by the property owners through France Passion.
Only the Invitation Handbook, produced by the publisher, costs 28€ , with free postage.
BUYING THIS HANDBOOK IS THE ONLY EXPENSE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INVITATIONS FORMULA, FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR (MARCH TO EASTER).
JOINING FRANCE PASSION AND ORDER THE INVITATIONS HANDBOOK
ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS SIDE :
Each Winemaker or Farmer participating in the "Invitations Formula " has signed a yearly invitation addressed exclusively to people with camping-cars, who are travelling with a fully equipped vehicle (i.e. water, sanitation, refuse disposal etc.).
France Passion receives this invitation and sends it to people who are interested in the scheme. With this document the property owners have agreed to allow camping cars, within the framework of the "Formule INVITATIONS", to stay freely and without charge on a single site on their property for a day and a night, limited to 24 hours for any one stay.
All the participating property owners are listed in an annually edited booklet called the "Carnet des Invitations" (Invitations Booklet).
I understand it's a legal maze to obtain permission for a CL or CS campsite.
Refer again to France Passion: they clearly avoid 'camping' and so on. I think they found a clever solution avoiding all 'camping' problems.
I quote from their website:
As regards overnight parking, the Invitations Formula is the free alternative offered to the camping-car owners by 840 wine-growers and farmers from almost all the regions in France.
This private welcome formula allows you to park freely, from one night up to 24 hours, on their property, without any financial or commercial constraint.
Make your trips easier - the generosity of our France Passion hosts means that we can offer more than 4000 free stopover parking spaces in the most beautiful vineyards and domains in France. From Brest to Bayonne or Strasbourg to Bastia, friendly properties along your route are ready and waiting to provide you with a safe stopover site.
With the Carnet des Invitations, motorhome owners can imagine the accent, the taste and the fragrance of their next stops, with complete freedom from March to Easter.
ON THE CAMPING CAR OWNERS SIDE :
Admitted as a guest, for having accepted the functioning rules and after having first made a written request, people with camping cars will receive a personal Invitation Card, a windscreen vehicle identification sticker, and the Invitations Booklet, for the current year.
The camping-car owner agrees to benefit from these invitations exclusively during their period of validity (easter to easter).
The invitation card and the windscreen sticker are offered by the property owners through France Passion.
Only the Invitation Handbook, produced by the publisher, costs 28€ , with free postage.
BUYING THIS HANDBOOK IS THE ONLY EXPENSE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INVITATIONS FORMULA, FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR (MARCH TO EASTER).
JOINING FRANCE PASSION AND ORDER THE INVITATIONS HANDBOOK
ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS SIDE :
Each Winemaker or Farmer participating in the "Invitations Formula " has signed a yearly invitation addressed exclusively to people with camping-cars, who are travelling with a fully equipped vehicle (i.e. water, sanitation, refuse disposal etc.).
France Passion receives this invitation and sends it to people who are interested in the scheme. With this document the property owners have agreed to allow camping cars, within the framework of the "Formule INVITATIONS", to stay freely and without charge on a single site on their property for a day and a night, limited to 24 hours for any one stay.
All the participating property owners are listed in an annually edited booklet called the "Carnet des Invitations" (Invitations Booklet).
sundown
Guest
WOW!! THIS HAS GONE WAY OVER MY HEAD 
it seems that the by-laws are there, but, may be full of grey areas.
obviously, things are not enforced to the letter of the law,because, I think most of us know of at least one pub, which allows an evening stopover.
but by all means, keep on with the pro's and con's its very interesting to know exactly where one stands I think
sundown
it seems that the by-laws are there, but, may be full of grey areas.
obviously, things are not enforced to the letter of the law,because, I think most of us know of at least one pub, which allows an evening stopover.
but by all means, keep on with the pro's and con's its very interesting to know exactly where one stands
I think sundown
lenny
Guest
Yes . Nick ,it's over my head too,But most things are cos I'm only 5ft 3in. Stick to your guns.
Regards..Lenny
,But most things are cos I'm only 5ft 3in. Stick to your guns.Regards..Lenny
sundown
Guest
Yes . Nick ,it's over my head too
Regards..Lenny
wow! lenny I cant believe it " some-one shorter than me"
im a massive 5ft 4ins.
you can call me lofty
sundownDon
Guest
Sundown, I whole heartedly agree with you original posting, the only reason I meantion The ins and outs, ups and downs. i would hate for us to put a landlord, who is willing to give us a couple of nights, on the wrong side of the law. As has been said before I believe that discression is the better style of approach, rather than offering advertisement.
Belgian, that was a damn fine advert for the book. Oh and by the way, I already have the book along with a couple of books from the said book company.
If any one is interested in campaining, go to main list sub heading news and read the thread.
http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2415
Belgian, that was a damn fine advert for the book. Oh and by the way, I already have the book along with a couple of books from the said book company.
If any one is interested in campaining, go to main list sub heading news and read the thread.
http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2415
lenny
Guest
wow! lenny I cant believe it " some-one shorter than me"
im a massive 5ft 4ins.
you can call me lofty
Hang on big yin, I'm just looking for the tape measure and wor lass is hunting out my Elton John platform shoe's ,be back shortly
Lenny
sundown
Guest
I understand your reasoning don.
and I agree we dont want to jepordise any friendly landlord
but some-one may figure a way round the problem
perhaps a semi-covert operation
any-one got any suggestions
one thing is definate, A landlord would be persuaded easier than a council
sundown
and I agree we dont want to jepordise any friendly landlord
but some-one may figure a way round the problem
perhaps a semi-covert operation
any-one got any suggestions
one thing is definate, A landlord would be persuaded easier than a council
sundown
Deleted member 2636
Guest
Here's a link to DEFRA exempted organsisations. It is by no means complete because some Clubs have had the go to push for their own Certificate without bothering to pay these ACCEO people to do the work for them.
http://www.acceo.org.uk/Club Members.htm
Belgian
Guest
Give it a try
Hi Sundown, Don and others,
Sundown launched a marvelous idea. Let's go for it
Have a friend lawyer. Of course he is not home in British law. He says British are generally better protected on private matters than overhere (you don't have an ID-card ?) Basicly laws in EU share the same priciples. 'The racks may be different but the British have better clothes on it'.
As long as you are not going commercial it could work Therefore I made a reference to the France Passion line of acting: 'private' invitation as a 'friend' avoiding all 'camping-situations'
But let's not run before we can walk
If we stick together we could work something out, keep Sundown's idea afresh
Let's go for it !!
Hi Sundown, Don and others,
Sundown launched a marvelous idea. Let's go for it
Have a friend lawyer. Of course he is not home in British law. He says British are generally better protected on private matters than overhere (you don't have an ID-card ?) Basicly laws in EU share the same priciples. 'The racks may be different but the British have better clothes on it'.
As long as you are not going commercial it could work Therefore I made a reference to the France Passion line of acting: 'private' invitation as a 'friend' avoiding all 'camping-situations'
But let's not run before we can walk
If we stick together we could work something out, keep Sundown's idea afresh
Let's go for it !!
tresrikay
Guest
Time we changed things for the better
This has been a most interesting thread and as I see it, we are a loose collection of individuals sharing a common passion that is brought together through this site. With over 2700 members we are a voice to be reckoned with, Is it not time that our voices together with the campaign for U.K. Aires unite in a single voice to get the laws that restrict our freedoms changed. As a start has a petition on the Prime ministers web site been started ( I feel someone better involved than me should start it). Then posts on all forums could be placed to get us to sign up. We could write to our M.P.s Informing them of our aims and asking them to ask relevant Questions on our behalf. We could use campaigning stickers, flyers, even Mass wildcamping to illustrate our cause. We must remember nothing ever changes without action taken in its cause. Our history is full of campaigns and actions that have caused laws to be changed and I feel our time is near. Scotland now has a right to camp. England now has a right to roam, all because of campaigns taken. So I am now off to join the campaign for U.K. Aires and I hope that is what all of us will do. Remember, From little acorns...................Rick.
This has been a most interesting thread and as I see it, we are a loose collection of individuals sharing a common passion that is brought together through this site. With over 2700 members we are a voice to be reckoned with, Is it not time that our voices together with the campaign for U.K. Aires unite in a single voice to get the laws that restrict our freedoms changed. As a start has a petition on the Prime ministers web site been started ( I feel someone better involved than me should start it). Then posts on all forums could be placed to get us to sign up. We could write to our M.P.s Informing them of our aims and asking them to ask relevant Questions on our behalf. We could use campaigning stickers, flyers, even Mass wildcamping to illustrate our cause. We must remember nothing ever changes without action taken in its cause. Our history is full of campaigns and actions that have caused laws to be changed and I feel our time is near. Scotland now has a right to camp. England now has a right to roam, all because of campaigns taken. So I am now off to join the campaign for U.K. Aires and I hope that is what all of us will do. Remember, From little acorns...................Rick.
sundown
Guest
this thread is becoming more interesting every day,
and the input is fantastic, with ever more people adding their bit.
keep the ideas and info coming.
I think the final result could be very benificial to all
sundown
Geoff.W
Guest
Fasinating discussion, but I wonder if I could throw something else into the pot.
Who would prosecute ?
I assume the answer would be the local authorities, if so, are they not bound by the "Citizen's Charter", particuarly in the sense that they would have to show any action they took would have to be in the "Public" intrest.
If as a group we all behaved in a reasonable and responsible way, as I believe all those that went to Cromford on the weekend did, would it not be almost impossible for the local authority to claim it was acting in the best public intrest if it decided to take action, as I do not feel anyone was inconvenienced by our meeting and certainly some of the local busineses gained.
Although this is possibly a little off subject I believe the same argument could be used where ever we stop, be it Pub car park, farmers field, etc.
I also believe, although I am aware others do disagree, that a more proactive approach like the Cromford meet, could demonstrate that motorhome stopovers are a good thing that locals should encourage, and thereby be another useful tool in createing greater acceptance of "British Aires"
Who would prosecute ?
I assume the answer would be the local authorities, if so, are they not bound by the "Citizen's Charter", particuarly in the sense that they would have to show any action they took would have to be in the "Public" intrest.
If as a group we all behaved in a reasonable and responsible way, as I believe all those that went to Cromford on the weekend did, would it not be almost impossible for the local authority to claim it was acting in the best public intrest if it decided to take action, as I do not feel anyone was inconvenienced by our meeting and certainly some of the local busineses gained.
Although this is possibly a little off subject I believe the same argument could be used where ever we stop, be it Pub car park, farmers field, etc.
I also believe, although I am aware others do disagree, that a more proactive approach like the Cromford meet, could demonstrate that motorhome stopovers are a good thing that locals should encourage, and thereby be another useful tool in createing greater acceptance of "British Aires"
Belgian
Guest
Hi all,
Please fellows, let there be no misunderstanding;
The reason I mentioned France Passion is their way of thinking and acting.
Not on the public but on the private field, and not commercialWhen they started 15 yrs ago they made a torough study about it.
- no camping but parking
- on private property
- the ‘host’ is inviting a ‘friend’
- not commercial, no parking or camping fees
- limited spots and time
In this way the landlord is protected and he doesn’t have to bother about camping laws, taxes and so on, because he is acting as a private person on private property.
You should ask why this pedant Belgian is mingling over here ?
- unfortunately we don’t have country-pubs
- we may use almost every public parking (if we find one)
- Flanders is so dens populated we don’t have enough free space
- In an hour drive we are in another country (swimming to England takes a little bit longer)
Sorry to say, but Britain is a developing country for MH’ers. I just want to ad a little bit of help. No offense ?
But if you let me, I'll go along with you.
loubylou
Guest
Hi all,
Please fellows, let there be no misunderstanding;
The reason I mentioned France Passion is their way of thinking and acting.
Not on the public but on the private field, and not commercialWhen they started 15 yrs ago they made a torough study about it.
- no camping but parking
- on private property
- the ‘host’ is inviting a ‘friend’
- not commercial, no parking or camping fees
- limited spots and time
In this way the landlord is protected and he doesn’t have to bother about camping laws, taxes and so on, because he is acting as a private person on private property.
You should ask why this pedant Belgian is mingling over here ?
- unfortunately we don’t have country-pubs
- we may use almost every public parking (if we find one)
- Flanders is so dens populated we don’t have enough free space
- In an hour drive we are in another country (swimming to England takes a little bit longer)
Sorry to say, but Britain is a developing country for MH’ers. I just want to ad a little bit of help. No offense ?
But if you let me, I'll go along with you.
You are very knowledgeable Belgian, thanks for this insite into your part of the world - no country pubs!
by the way your english is very good, no effense taken.
Louby
sundown
Guest
Just bringing this one back to the top with this extract from the auto-sleepers owners club, which is on the list of exempted organisations
CODES OF PRACTICE
THE MOTORHOME CODE
(based on the Caravan Code)
2
When touring in the motorhome, members should:
a) pitch on private land only with the express permission of the owner.
this is, in reality, telling its members, that its ok to pitch anywhere with the owners consent.
the a.s.o.c. seems to be a well run, "stick to the letter of the law organisation",
with legal backing.
I cant see this this rule being printed on its website if it is against the law
any-one like to comment on this?
sundown
CODES OF PRACTICE
THE MOTORHOME CODE
(based on the Caravan Code)
2
When touring in the motorhome, members should:
a) pitch on private land only with the express permission of the owner.
this is, in reality, telling its members, that its ok to pitch anywhere with the owners consent.
the a.s.o.c. seems to be a well run, "stick to the letter of the law organisation",
with legal backing.
I cant see this this rule being printed on its website if it is against the law
any-one like to comment on this?
sundown