Electric motorhome

Say they do get it right and the motorhomes start filtering through with a battery life that will do 300+ miles all of us on here that like to wild camp are goosed can’t see them putting charging points in the out of the way places that we bought our vans for visiting you’ll need too park up somewhere you can get a plug in. Things are moving quickly very now and there’s a lot of money at stake for the company who can come up with a solution think the ones too watch will be the vw group they got a real bad rap over the diesel emissions Fiddling thing 80% of there cars are diesel so think they need a good system and quick.
 
When Bertha Benz apparently did the first cross country automoblie journey, she had to go to a pharmacy to get fuel. It wasn't inevitable back then that we would need petrol stations at all. There were electric cars back early on too. There was a fleet of London Taxi's all electric way back in 1900. Alcohol looked like a good fuel too, but appears prohibition put a stop to that. :)
Brazil have (or at least used to have) a high number of vehicles burning sugar beet (I think?) alcohol.
 
Say they do get it right and the motorhomes start filtering through with a battery life that will do 300+ miles all of us on here that like to wild camp are goosed can’t see them putting charging points in the out of the way places that we bought our vans for visiting you’ll need too park up somewhere you can get a plug in. Things are moving quickly very now and there’s a lot of money at stake for the company who can come up with a solution think the ones too watch will be the vw group they got a real bad rap over the diesel emissions Fiddling thing 80% of there cars are diesel so think they need a good system and quick.
considering the number of people here - and generally - running older vehicles, a ban on NEW vehicles will not mean anything until maybe 2055-2060.

I don't know about others, but I doubt I'll be in the market for a new Motorhome in 2060 :raofl:
 
Brazil have (or at least used to have) a high number of vehicles burning sugar beet (I think?) alcohol.

I was in Cuba during the summer and they run everything on an ethanol concoction bikes and cars and the trucks run on vegetable oil seen a 50s v8 Chevy with a Peugeot 16 Diesel engine running on a type of home made paraffin oil concoction. Place stunk
 
Correct and if im right then when piston engines stop being sold then i recon we will stretch a ten years or more stop gap,by that time it will be electric only for sure.
One thing is we will not be told every thing by the gov as folk would panic and sales may slump to fast so stretching it out will avoid money problems.
Now im of to bed to recharge my batterys,night all sleep tight.:sleep-027:

All electric by 2040, complete nonsense and nothing but a silly goal that the next incoming elected government can dismiss at the drop of a hat.
 
Say they do get it right and the motorhomes start filtering through with a battery life that will do 300+ miles all of us on here that like to wild camp are goosed can’t see them putting charging points in the out of the way places that we bought our vans for visiting you’ll need too park up somewhere you can get a plug in. Things are moving quickly very now and there’s a lot of money at stake for the company who can come up with a solution think the ones too watch will be the vw group they got a real bad rap over the diesel emissions Fiddling thing 80% of there cars are diesel so think they need a good system and quick.

You will always be able to tow a generator and charge up overnight . Might make meets a bit noisy though.
 
trev,
I am sure this Electric only deadline has clearly been stated as applying to private cars, not commercials?

No electric trucks,i bet there will be if gov give tax breaks to truck firms.
 
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All electric by 2040, complete nonsense and nothing but a silly goal that the next incoming elected government can dismiss at the drop of a hat.

Maybe thats why we are pulling out of eu so we can change things and keep driving diesel.
 
Up to 200 miles, and that’s when batteries are new. Not much use to most people.

Most folk here only get as far as portrush which is less than 60 miles or newcastle 40 miles ,then have some tea and watch the sea only to come home after tea time.
 
Have governments who have announced target dates for electric cars really considered the infrastructure costs and the timescale for infrastructure build.

Working back from the millions of charging points needed to service a whole countriy's electric fleet it is not hard to consider the upgrade of cabling and substations needed to service a small town's needs. Multiply that by all the towns in a country and the requirements for a national power grid could be enormous. Is there enough copper in all the world?

For example for the French date of 2030 the upgrade would probably have to be starting now. But we do not know what the technology will be and therefore the technical spec for the upgrade - cart before horse?

Geoff
 
Have governments who have announced target dates for electric cars really considered the infrastructure costs and the timescale for infrastructure build.

Working back from the millions of charging points needed to service a whole countriy's electric fleet it is not hard to consider the upgrade of cabling and substations needed to service a small town's needs. Multiply that by all the towns in a country and the requirements for a national power grid could be enormous. Is there enough copper in all the world?

For example for the French date of 2030 the upgrade would probably have to be starting now. But we do not know what the technology will be and therefore the technical spec for the upgrade - cart before horse?

Geoff


For home charging the capacity is already just about there, obviously some areas will need a bit of work.
For daytime fast charging there will need to be a lot of work done.

Caught the end of item on the news today on hydrogen trains, I guess this is for branch lines where it is uneconomic to electrify, it was something like 200 or 300 miles from a 15min fill.
 
Lots of clever R&D ongoing regarding picking up power while driving, like a tram, except power pickup point is built into road.

We can't even have roads without a pothole every 2 yards.....

Fat chance we'll be getting inductive charging systems anytime soon....
 
Politicians have announced the demise of the internal combustion engine in a decade or two. But there is no technological basis for that.
There is no credible replacement so far.

People talk about the "range" without thinking what that means.

Yes, a car may claim to be able to go 200km on a charge. But that's in ideal conditions. Factor in traffic jams, hills, using the heating and air conditioning and you can half that. Then take another 10% off because you want at least a bit of safety margin. So now we're down to 90km.

But that's not the range in the traditional sense. The range is really how far you can go and have enough left to be able to come back as well. So now we're looking at 45km, or not quite 30 miles.

I agree with 'hairydog's post.

I just want to add into the range discussion that in some countries, e.g. here in Poland, vehicles have to have their headlights on at all times, thus reducing range further.

So far in 2013 18 just over 2000 EVs have sold in Poland - hardly penetration.

Geoff
 
Come 2050 a 90KM range will be all thats needed. You don't think the freedom to drive about willy-nilly in your own little vessel is going to last for ever, do you?
 
Good thread and interesting replies. Talking car here first, best one I have driven to date, is the BMW i3. Some clever tech in this small vehicle with suicide rear doors. It is rare to have to use vehicle brakes, you just remove foot from pedal, vehicle reduces speed rapidly, while this is all going on, you view the power gauge, to the right, mileage range, to the left, show energy from slowing process going back to batteries. I've seen me going down a steep hill with say hundred mile charge, to reach bottom of hill with say, hundred and three mile charge.

On the other side of the coin, last month I attended an event at near Edinburgh airport, I was using Nissan small eVan, which is three seater in cab only. Fully charged @ hundred mile range on readout. BTW, trip distance, thirty two mile round trip. Dark and cold on return home, got caught in traffic on Edinburgh shitty bypass, crawling along, it really was horrendous viewing the miles fall away, it got so bad, I turned heating off, was close to hyperthermia when I got home. I then had to drive to nearest charging post, which is fifteen min walk from house, hour and a half on quick charge was suffice to return to Royal highland centre Ingliston, which does NOT have a charging point, which is shocking.

While the eCar has come some way, it will get better, that I am sure of. Be interesting to see how this develops further towards heavier goods vehicles and motorhomes. But you do have to box clever when dark and cold hits you, the miles drop off.

Lots of clever R&D ongoing regarding picking up power while driving, like a tram, except power pickup point is built into road.
Glad you mentioned about the heating, I've been wondering about that for some time - how efficient is it? (electric is the worst way to heat a MH) Is it any good? what type of heater is it?
 
Glad you mentioned about the heating, I've been wondering about that for some time - how efficient is it? (electric is the worst way to heat a MH) Is it any good? what type of heater is it?

I know the nissan leaf uses a heat pump for heating and heated seats in norway
 
Talking about heating, this is quite ironical ....

[video=youtube_share;7NBMq5o_UJU]https://youtu.be/7NBMq5o_UJU[/video]
 
All charge points free here and if in a car park you get in there for free to,win win situ.
 
All charge points free here and if in a car park you get in there for free to,win win situ.

That will soon change if electric climbs through 20% 30% 40% of cars. But that is still a big IF.

Geoff
 

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