Diesil Prices

[walkers]

We have just come back from a fabulous 4 days at Devil's Dyke & diesel prices were around £1.35 in Sussex.
Filled up Knaus for £1.20 per litre in Wickham & I am managing 35.91 miles to the gallon:

that sounds fantastic, perhaps you would like to share with us exactly how you manage to get that sort of return. am sure we would all love to get that sort of mileage per gallon

 

[PaulC]

Mixing bio with normal fuel, as per the EU regulations. has also lead to an increase in the price of food, because land has been turned over to the production of bio fuel, especially in Amercia. And the EU has sold off all those food mountains just when we need them most. Heads we lose tails we lose, anyhow we lose.

 

[t&s]

That is exactly the point I was trying to make a mixture of bio fuel plus fossil fuel. The chancellor has decreed ALL diesel will now be a mixture of the two.
As many as twenty seven (27) varieties of bacteria are responsible for the majority of problems with diesel engines and their performance. There are many differing types of bacteria which can infect systems and form bio-films on steel surfaces. Accelerated corrosion can also occur wherever the bio-film settles, usually in pits or crevices. Unlike general corrosion, it is an attack on a very specific area.
It is very difficult to determine when a system is first contaminated, but once contaminated diesel enters the fuel system, it is very difficult to eradicate.
Diesel bug can originate from the air or moisture, or during tank filling and/or expansion and contraction of storage tanks, the bacteria cover themselves in a protective film (slime) to protect against biocides and can lie dormant in the minute crevices of the metal, rubber and polyurethane coatings of the fuel tanks and fuel systems.
Then, when water is present (a droplet is a lake to a microbe) and the environment hits the right temperature range, they begin reproduction in the area of fuel/water interface.
Microscopic in size, they can develop into a mat easily visible to the naked eye very rapidly. A single cell, weighing only one millionth of a gram can grow to a biomass of 10 kilograms in just 12 hours, resulting in a biomass several centimetres thick across the fuel/water interface.
Each species has its own characteristics:
BACTERIA
Bacteria utilise hydrocarbons and reproduce asexually by binary fission; swelling in size as they feed, they then separate into two cells. In this way, microbes double their numbers every 20 minutes, one spore converting to 262,144 in 6 hours.
SULPHATE REDUCING BACTERIA (SRB)
SRB's are a specific group of bacteria utilising simple carbon, not hydrocarbons, and require the activity of other microbes in a consortium. Aerobic (in the presence of oxygen) or anaerobic (without oxygen) bacteria have a combined effect. The aerobic bacteria (sulphate oxidising) create a film to consume the oxygen first. This allows the anaerobic (sulphate reducing) bacteria to thrive.
SRB's reduce sulphates and produce hydrogen sulphide (a lethal gas). They are directly involved with many microbial corrosion reactions and can cause sulphide souring of stored distillate products. Their action changes the Ph creating an acidic environment, conducive to accelerated corrosion. They attach themselves to the steel as a film and go to work. They derive their nutrition from the surrounding environment and multiply. They are particularly difficult to deal with and produce a sludgy by-product with a strong sulphur odour similar to rotten eggs (hydrogen sulphide).
IRON REDUCING BACTERIA
These also contribute to corrosion, eating steel and reducing ferrite to an oxide through a chemical reaction.
YEASTS
Yeasts prefer acidic environments, such as produced by SRB's. They bud on the parent cell, eventually separating. Reproduction takes several hours.
FUNGUS
Fungi grow in the form of branched hyphae, a few microns in diameter, forming thick, tough, intertwined mycelia mats at fuel/water interfaces.
All of these can and do cause damage to the fuel system.

Do you really think all of the technical research is a load of rubbish.
I would guess that soon we shall have to sell our souls for a gallon of fuel so why worry in any case. As the bacteria say live fast die young.

hi wildman
some is probably correct but dont believe all you see in print
be lighthearted about life and let the scientists do the argueing
if you believe it all you will shurly get depressed
i heard on the radio that the world as a whole getting 1 degree colder every 10 years so what do you believe
another frightner is being pushed by the (green people )carbon footprints
i have not seen one yet have you ?
if we believed all we are told we would be knee deep in the stuff
i am as you can tell i am not at all green but i am not from mars
but these green ideas just make me see red.

so let us keep on wild camping on the green stuff (grass that is )
as long as there is some left under all that poloution
cheers terry

 

[sundown]

I must agree somewhat with terry,
about what to believe and what not to,
I personally do not believe what I'm told by
the government, the BBC, the newspapers,
the "so called experts" or the environmentalists.
If I did believe them, I would have died of "worry", years ago.
My 3 score years & 10, on this world
will make no difference to the environment
can the government, and the giant oil companies boast the same?

 

[sundown]

A garage only about a mile from me in gateshead tyne and wear is diesel £127.9 a litre shocking im just glad i can get bio diesel properly mixed for 90p a litre or i wouldnt be able to afford to go wild camping................

I stopped at Kinross last week (motorway service station)
with an empty tank, diesel was £1.27 litre,
so I put in £10 worth and headed on to tesco in Perth
where I filled up at £1.21 litre
selective purchasing is the only answer
to combat spiraling costs

 

[lenny]

Just imagine,you had a weekend away In January this year, Total bill for fuel @£90, Now four month later you decide to make the same trip again fuel bill £120, 30% more. This cannot be right

 

[Don]

Trotsky, your a man after my own heart.

 

[PaulC]

Hi

After reading these posts there seems to be some global warming deniers posting. Unfortunatly it is happening, the recent report by scientists, of the climate cooling also said that any effect would be short lived and there will be an upward trend, we are all part of the problem. It's rather like Dad's Army and CPL Jones "We doomed, we doomed", but never mind lets get a good tan.

 

[marrwyck]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick reply to you all.

We have a Knaus Sun Ti 600 LF which is a Renault 2.5 CDI with a 6 speed box.

Now since taking delivery of the vehicle & trialling it out over varied trips, into town, out for short trips & to Devil's Dyke. Along with soaring diesel prices I thought, if you weight distribute your load, drive along dual carriage ways at 50mph, motorways at 56 - 60 mph stick under all other speed limits by 2 - 3 miles per hour, use the gear box as it's designed to be used, then fuel economy should be reasonable. We're in no rush, that's why we have a motor home, lol.
If your vehicle weight is unevenly distrubuted, if you drive up & down many hills, if you stop start, sit in traffic & speed along then fuel consuption will be considerably high.
Now bearing in mind our vehicle is practically new as an older guy bought it new & had only done 6,000 miles in it, the engine isn't even run in.
Plus our Knaus is rated at 3,500kg so being a low profile, low weight van surely helps?

Anyway we have now refuelled, re filled up with water etc & are off on another trip over the next week before we have to return to our base to sort out a few more loose ends.

I'll let you know if we see diesel at extorsionate prices & when we return our recalculate our mpg the same way as before, with good old fashined pen, paper & formula, lol.

All have a great Bank Holiday

 

[scotchjock]

Diesel

£1.41 today in Lerwick (Shetland) and 75.9p for Autogas

 

[walkers]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick reply to you all.

We have a Knaus Sun Ti 600 LF which is a Renault 2.5 CDI with a 6 speed box.

Now since taking delivery of the vehicle & trialling it out over varied trips, into town, out for short trips & to Devil's Dyke. Along with soaring diesel prices I thought, if you weight distribute your load, drive along dual carriage ways at 50mph, motorways at 56 - 60 mph stick under all other speed limits by 2 - 3 miles per hour, use the gear box as it's designed to be used, then fuel economy should be reasonable. We're in no rush, that's why we have a motor home, lol.
If your vehicle weight is unevenly distrubuted, if you drive up & down many hills, if you stop start, sit in traffic & speed along then fuel consuption will be considerably high.
Now bearing in mind our vehicle is practically new as an older guy bought it new & had only done 6,000 miles in it, the engine isn't even run in.
Plus our Knaus is rated at 3,500kg so being a low profile, low weight van surely helps?

Anyway we have now refuelled, re filled up with water etc & are off on another trip over the next week before we have to return to our base to sort out a few more loose ends.

I'll let you know if we see diesel at extorsionate prices & when we return our recalculate our mpg the same way as before, with good old fashined pen, paper & formula, lol.

All have a great Bank Holiday

i see it's probably that six speed box that makes the difference, it's cracking fuel consumption only wish mine would do that but at 10yrs old with a five speed box and an overcab it's not likely to. enjoy your trip
regards tony

 

[t&s]

Hi

After reading these posts there seems to be some global warming deniers posting. Unfortunatly it is happening, the recent report by scientists, of the climate cooling also said that any effect would be short lived and there will be an upward trend, we are all part of the problem. It's rather like Dad's Army and CPL Jones "We doomed, we doomed", but never mind lets get a good tan.

yes you are correct there is some denial in all this global warming hype especialy from me
i wont argue with you and will say no more than this .
you just carry on paying as that is what it is all about the government getting your hard earned money off you whilst you agree with there
un proven assumptions !
cheers terry

 

[lenny]

Hi

After reading these posts there seems to be some global warming deniers posting. Unfortunatly it is happening, the recent report by scientists, of the climate cooling also said that any effect would be short lived and there will be an upward trend, we are all part of the problem. It's rather like Dad's Army and CPL Jones "We doomed, we doomed", but never mind lets get a good tan.

If this global warming carry on is true, I wish they would send some of it up here cos we are still freezing our bo****ks off

 

[t&s]

i see it's probably that six speed box that makes the difference, it's cracking fuel consumption only wish mine would do that but at 10yrs old with a five speed box and an overcab it's not likely to. enjoy your trip
regards tony

sounds good is there an overdriveor cruise control option for 2.8 fiats that might help to even things up for us
i got it on my car a 3 litre saab diesel and get 40 mpg all the time

 

[t&s]

who is making the money

in southampton this week derv was £1.19 and in maiden newton dorset today it was £1.31 who is profitering to the extent of roughly .60p per gallon
i think us country folk do have to pay more

 

[Don]

The first half of this month was the hottest for nearly 175 years, forecasters have said.
Temperatures hit highs of 27.5C and the average of 15C was the highest since 1833.
Remind me, When was the motor car invented?

I only mention this as all the talk of greenhouse effects is laid at the foot of the internal Combustion Engine, and especially 4X4 vehicles, Diesel Vehicles.

So remember 1833 and the first sale of a Motor Car 1899, 66 years later.
So I will ask another question, what was causing the weather to over heat 1833?

 

[t&s]

1899 then it was caused by the rage of people getting hot under the collar waiting for delivery of there first car

now it is caused rage of people getting all hot under the collar at the price of fuel

i supose the crematorium will be the next thing they blame for poloution
then the excuses will be at a dead end and then may we can carry on living
instead of moaning

 

[wildman]

Diesel made £1.38 a litre in Barnstaple this week, time to start building a still I think.

 

[sundown]

I put it down to the governments scaremongering tactics to raise massive amounts of revenue while implying,
its for the common good
The revenue raised on sales of alcohol, tobacco and fuel,
exceeds the whole GNP of many countries.
In other words I don't believe a word of it!
apologies to all you "greens"out there
but thats just my opinion!

 

[Zozzer]

Bank Holiday in Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland

Diesel
£1.32.9 Dalbeattie
£1.30.9 Castle Douglas
£1.27.9 Stranraer
£1.24.6 Dumfries ( Morrisions )

Back home in Leigh, Lanc's

Diesel
£1.19.9