Diesil Prices

I have no personal axe to grind on this one and couldn't, care less at all, but from what I understand about this issue it is that the final pension and non contributory pensions are proposed to cease for new employees but remain open for existing employees.
Therefor the existing employees will not loose anything :cool:and new employees will be offered non final salary & contributory pensions if they get the job.
The point is that if they don't like it, then they don't have to take the job. do they? But the jobs are still there which has got to be good:cool:
Freedom of choice and end of story!

Do you think that those that are running this countries big businesses would give up their mega bonuses, golden hellos, golden handshakes, non dom status, etc etc for the good of our economy, or the well being of our workers? Not a snowballs chances in hell. They are in it to make money at a rate that would bring tears of amazment to our eyes and when things start to get tight they try to sqeeze a little bit extra by diminishing our right of a livable pension. I pay 7% of my wage toward my final salary pension and I have endured below inflation rises ( as a public servant the job should be reward enough ) for the last few years. I have been on strike to protect the pittance I will get to see me through old age and will do so whenever called upon to do so. If we all roll over and accept the crap they tell us, we will soon be giving up paid holidays, the 40 hour week, the right to benifits but it will be ( for the good of the country) every gain that we have got from the rulling class in this country has been by the courage of our forebears in fighting for those rights, pitifull though they be, and it would be a betrayal of their courage and bravery, the hardships they endured to give them all away in the spurious name of progress. Don't fall for the lies they tell us, just look at the obscene profits announced today by Shell and B.P. Do you think any of that £7.2 billion, for the last 3 months:eek::eek::eek: will find its way into the workers pockets:rolleyes:NOT A CHANCE, and if things do go a bit off the rails then us the taxpayer will bail the poor shareholders out. Its time for us to wake up, the new Hitlers of this world wear suits and sit in boardrooms.
 
Richard,
The majority of pensions are invested into companies like BP & Shell and most pensions would fail miserably without companies like these:D
Maybe your pension is invested in them as most pensions go into trackers or certainly the top companies.
If this is the case, maybe you should be careful about biting the hand that feeds you.;)
If it is not, then your conscience is clear.:cool:
You could always buy a pony & caravan:D

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Hang on a minute I thought you said we should give up our greedy rights to a final salary pension......... at these rates of profit we shall all be Mega millionaires sipping cocktails in the Caymans with Phillip Green, As our pension funds must now be bursting with all this money. The proportion of pension fund investment is spread so thinly that you could argue that I wont get a pension because of Northern rock.
 
I have no personal axe to grind on this one and couldn't, care less at all, but from what I understand about this issue it is that the final pension and non contributory pensions are proposed to cease for new employees but remain open for existing employees.
Therefor the existing employees will not loose anything :cool:and new employees will be offered non final salary & contributory pensions if they get the job.
The point is that if they don't like it, then they don't have to take the job. do they? But the jobs are still there which has got to be good:cool:
Freedom of choice and end of story!

i think there gripe is because the currently employed aprentices will not qualify for there pension as aprentices they are not realy full time employes
dont make sence to me also
 
Hia
Don't shout at me I am only asking????
Why as fuel gone up????
Oil prices haven't risen have they?
Goverment havn't put fuel taxes up have they?
It's not the oil refinery workers
so what then is causing prices to rise as quick as they are doing?????????
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
I watched the BBC News at 6pm tonight. I don't normally because I am gentle person of tender sensibilities and am easily frightened but there was an Oil Stockbroker* being interviewed and he was saying that he expected the price of crude oil to go even higher.

*for "oil Stockbroker" read "running lackey of Wall St imperialism"

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Yes Polly - wholesale prices of crude have gone up
and the Goverment are now collecting more in revenue from the increased retail price
 
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I watched the BBC News at 6pm tonight. I don't normally because I am gentle person of tender sensibilities and am easily frightened but there was an Oil Stockbroker* being interviewed and he was saying that he expected the price of crude oil to go even higher.

*for "oil Stockbroker" read "running lackey of Wall St imperialism"

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Yes Polly - wholesale prices of crude have gone up
and the Goverment are now collecting more in revenue from the increased retail price

Yes that's right i saw that as well, it's shocking to say the least:eek::(
 
i think there gripe is because the currently employed aprentices will not qualify for there pension as aprentices they are not realy full time employes
dont make sence to me also

It sounds to me that management are trying to take away benefits that the existing workforce have fought for ,however they are doing it in the long term by targetting new employees and apprentices,cos they know the existing workforce would not stand for it. I admire the striking workforce who are defending the right of themselves,the apprentices and future employees cos in such a small community these latter employees will probably be there children and grandchildren.

Stick to your guns, you boys in Grangemouth
 
Hia
Lost the thank you button
So I will thank you in person for giving me the answer I was searching for
THANKS
 
It sounds to me that management are trying to take away benefits that the existing workforce have fought for ,however they are doing it in the long term by targetting new employees and apprentices,cos they know the existing workforce would not stand for it. I admire the striking workforce who are defending the right of themselves,the apprentices and future employees cos in such a small community these latter employees will probably be there children and grandchildren.

Stick to your guns, you boys in Grangemouth

I worked in Grangemouth a while ago and was shocked to see the demise of a once vibrant town(the docks were gone), now the main employer is the refinery and the locals have nothing else to cling on to,It,s important that the workforce stick together on this one otherwise the management will walk all over them,(I bet that new junior management employees will not be affected by these new pension sanctions),shortly we will have the propaganda from managment,slating the workforce for the impending fuel shortages at the pumps, we've seen it all before.
If your looking for a Mentor, then here's your man...

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Lech Walesa, read his biography, and just see what can be achieved when you stick together....SOLIDARITY!!!
 
I worked in Grangemouth a while ago and was shocked to see the demise of a once vibrant town(the docks were gone), now the main employer is the refinery and the locals have nothing else to cling on to,It,s important that the workforce stick together on this one otherwise the management will walk all over them,(I bet that new junior management employees will not be affected by these new pension sanctions),shortly we will have the propaganda from managment,slating the workforce for the impending fuel shortages at the pumps, we've seen it all before.
If your looking for a Mentor, then here's your man...

walesa.jpg


Lech Walesa, read his biography, and just see what can be achieved when you stick together....SOLIDARITY!!!

You are so right Lenny, as I was saying in a previous rant.... sorry, post, The working class would still be walking around barefoot, living in slum hovels, and buying adulterated food from company shops, thrown in the workhouse when of no further use to the landowning classes if todays Moguls of Industry could get their way........ Its only four generations ago that this was the reality for the working masses and believe me there are plenty of bosses that want time reversed in that direction. The scandalous profits and wages now being paid to the owners of our industries are fast approaching the levels existing in those terrible times and as the ecomomy is a cake of finite proportions, the more they take, the less left for us. The Tory Party is now in the control of members of the Bullingdon club, a club for the spawn of the Megga rich who's agenda whilst in the sixth form of that erstwhile establishment was to meet weekly, adorn themselves in best bib and tucker to attend the most expensive eateries in the locale, then proceed to order the most expensive dishes which they would then food fight with each other, plus any unfortunate fellow diners before trashing the place in front of the terrified staff and fellow diners.......... before apologising to all handing over dadies platinum Barcley card and proceed home to roger, then giggle and chortle about their heroic exploits to whatever horsey Bimbo had been thoroughly impressed by their bravado............ Both Boris and Cameron were leading members of this sorry bunch at the same time.............. bet you don't read that in the Sun, Express or Mail.
 
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Final salary pensions are a thing of the past.
If they persist in wanting them all of the Oil industry jobs will go to other nations as we will not be competitive.
Can Scotland really welcome that?????
You have to be realistic nowadays.
For any industry to survive they have to be competitive as we no longer live in a UK economy or even a European economy, we now live in a global economy which means that if these oil workers won't do it for a competitive salary and pension, then some other nationality sure will.
If you want an example look at what the Poles have done here and look at India they undercut us but are now facing lower competition from other countries.
This is not a case of saving jobs it is about saving the Scottish economy and these guys are putting it in jeopardy.
Just think about the long run
final salary pensions may be a thing of the past for the workers that make the bosses of industry rich but they are not a thing of the past for the bosses
 
final salary pensions may be a thing of the past for the workers that make the bosses of industry rich but they are not a thing of the past for the bosses

Exactly Mandrake, they want to leave us only the crumbs.......... The crisis of the greedier rich and the poorer workers, is a time bomb ticking..... I have just voted to strike due to the appalling rise offered us this year..... and this time we will have the teachers, the nurses, the council workers and the civil servants all joining in mass action. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH of below inflation pay rises for the last 4 years and they :mad:want to tie is to another 3 years of the same......... sorry Gordan, wake up, its supposed to be a LABOUR government, leave looking after the rich to Camerons Bullindon club mates.:mad::mad:
 
Everywhere the same mates :mad:
Here they gave voting rights to immigrants: 'If you are not liked anymore by the people, just get another people' :mad:
 
Exactly Mandrake, they want to leave us only the crumbs.......... The crisis of the greedier rich and the poorer workers, is a time bomb ticking..... I have just voted to strike due to the appalling rise offered us this year..... and this time we will have the teachers, the nurses, the council workers and the civil servants all joining in mass action. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH of below inflation pay rises for the last 4 years and they :mad:want to tie is to another 3 years of the same......... sorry Gordan, wake up, its supposed to be a LABOUR government, leave looking after the rich to Camerons Bullindon club mates.:mad::mad:
we do not have a government that will look after the poor or what i call the working class now, all the labour party want to do is court the so called middle england votes so they can keep themselves in the money, and the cushy life m.ps have come to love also if they are outvoted they will lose all the so called PERKS they love . even the immigrants to this country from eastern europe are abandoning the sinking ship lets hope all m.ps do the same they always say rats leave a sinking ship first.
 
Herne Bay Kent

Texaco 125.9 a litre

I am going to start Walking
 
Herne Bay Kent

Texaco 125.9 a litre

I am going to start Walking

disgusting, the poor petroleum company's and our government really need the money !!!!!!!!!!!!! if this keeps up i am gona have to swap the old petrol cig lighter to a gas one :D:D can you get a l.p.g conversion for a zippo
 
they are all just profiteering(thank god for spell checker) its stupid, how can the haulage industry keep up with the price hikes ?????? every thing is gona collapse. may be a good thing in the long run, to make the powers to be come to there senses. the government are like emu's stick your head in the sand and it may go away
 
Most of the problems we all have are or created by, or ignored by politicians.:eek:
99% of the politicians are spoiling the good image of the remaining part. :confused::D:mad:
 
they are all just profiteering(thank god for spell checker) its stupid, how can the haulage industry keep up with the price hikes ?????? every thing is gona collapse. may be a good thing in the long run, to make the powers to be come to there senses. the government are like
emu's stick your head in the sand
I am sure its an Ostrich that dose that Mandrake.;)
 

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