Diesel air Heater

mistericeman said:
Bloody spellchecker.....is the overheat built into the glow plug or separate like eberspacher?

Possible glow plugs are similar/will fit if direct replacement isn't available easily.
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Separate on top of the heat chamber. I am currently trying to find out if anything is compatable, found 24v ones but no 12v.

How did you mean to clear fault ?
 
Fazerloz said:
Separate on top of the heat chamber. I am currently trying to find out if anything is compatable, found 24v ones but no 12v.

How did you mean to clear fault ?
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In the eberspacher (possibly similar to the Chinglese ones)

Certain faults will cause a soft lock out (heater won't restart until fault has, been reset manually.... Others reset automatically)

Flame fail/overheat etc....
 
mistericeman said:
In the eberspacher (possibly similar to the Chinglese ones)

Certain faults will cause a soft lock out (heater won't restart until fault has, been reset manually.... Others reset automatically)

Flame fail/overheat etc....
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The fault clears on the controller. It goes through its purge sequence right up to ignition point then faults glow plug.
 
Penny to a pinch it's same as eberspacher then (certainly looks it)
Almost identical in fact as I've just serviced our d2 with new glow pin and gauze etc etc.
 
mistericeman said:
Penny to a pinch it's same as eberspacher then (certainly looks it)
Almost identical in fact as I've just serviced our d2 with new glow pin and gauze etc etc.
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Do you have your old plug if so can you measure it up for me please,. Thread size, pin length and diameter. :cheers:
 
Fazerloz said:
Do you have your old plug if so can you measure it up for me please,. Thread size, pin length and diameter. :cheers:
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Fazerloz said:
I thought so too, and I am struggling to find anything negative about them other than some say they use a little more electric. Which is of no interest to my application.
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hi
there is a facebook group for them. although i did not look at it.
 
eddyt said:
hi
there is a facebook group for them. although i did not look at it.
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I tried to find facebook pages for Chinese and Planar heaters without success do you have a link for the Chinese facebook pages?

I have been trawling through the Australian forum threads and distributors literature on the web. Seems that there are a couple of well known Chinese makers, “Snugger” and “Belief”, the latter in business for about 20 years. Belief claim they have a UK distributor, so I emailed their sales office to ask who but no reply as yet.
The Snugger and the Belief FJH-2 model look superficially similar to the Webasto but the TuiTe (also made by Belief) looks like the Eberspacher D2.

Pinnacle Wholesalers who claim to be Australia's leading on-line supplier say of the “NEW TUIT 2.2KW DIESEL AIR HEATER CARAVAN, MOTORHOME, RV”:

“This is a top of the range Tuit 2.2Kw diesel heater made by Belief,
PLEASE NOTE- All parts for this diesel heater are interchangeable with the Dometic (Eberspacher Airtronic) D2 diesel heater if you wish to interchange any operating parts etc”
Diesel Air Heaters : NEW Tuit 2.2KW Diesel Air Heater Caravan, Motorhome, RV Bus Truck, Jayco

I wonder whether the cheap heaters from China are;
1) Good direct copies of the well known German makes using interchangeable parts?
or
2) Poor copies of the Belief or Snugger Chinese copies and thus a degree or two worse?

The Tuite from Pinnacle costs 770AUD down under, about £440. If there is no copyright or patent protection in China would a copyist bother to change the design?
Even if the design is identical might the materials or bought in parts (like glow plugs?) be inferior?
 
Dowel said:
I tried to find facebook pages for Chinese and Planar heaters without success do you have a link for the Chinese facebook pages?

I have been trawling through the Australian forum threads and distributors literature on the web. Seems that there are a couple of well known Chinese makers, “Snugger” and “Belief”, the latter in business for about 20 years. Belief claim they have a UK distributor, so I emailed their sales office to ask who but no reply as yet.
The Snugger and the Belief FJH-2 model look superficially similar to the Webasto but the TuiTe (also made by Belief) looks like the Eberspacher D2.

Pinnacle Wholesalers who claim to be Australia's leading on-line supplier say of the “NEW TUIT 2.2KW DIESEL AIR HEATER CARAVAN, MOTORHOME, RV”:

“This is a top of the range Tuit 2.2Kw diesel heater made by Belief,
PLEASE NOTE- All parts for this diesel heater are interchangeable with the Dometic (Eberspacher Airtronic) D2 diesel heater if you wish to interchange any operating parts etc”
Diesel Air Heaters : NEW Tuit 2.2KW Diesel Air Heater Caravan, Motorhome, RV Bus Truck, Jayco

I wonder whether the cheap heaters from China are;
1) Good direct copies of the well known German makes using interchangeable parts?
or
2) Poor copies of the Belief or Snugger Chinese copies and thus a degree or two worse?

The Tuite from Pinnacle costs 770AUD down under, about £440. If there is no copyright or patent protection in China would a copyist bother to change the design?
Even if the design is identical might the materials or bought in parts (like glow plugs?) be inferior?
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Linky for Facebook page....


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wildebus said:
£100 seems to be the magic figure where duties become liable. Below that it tends to be ignored.
A lot of Chinese sellers misdeclare the value of the shipment and/or flag it as a gift (don't think stating it is a gift fools anyone though).
It also can depend on the method of delivery/courier used. recently I had a charge of £3.50 for duty due on a Chinese delivery that was sent using DHL. Strange amount and I think it was set ignoring the £100 cutoff (just paid it as not worth looking into for that amount and risk redelivery charges)
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Well, the above is mostly a load of tosh! :idea-007:

The £100 is not a magic figure, it is actually just £15!
If you buy something from an non-EU country and it is over £15, you are liable for VAT. If it is over £135 you are liable for VAT AND Customs Duties.
If it is a Gift, then the VAT threshold starts at £34 rather than £15.
And to the above VAT and Customs Duties is applied a Handling Charge.

Why do I know this info now? Because on a purchase from Ali Express with a (true) declared value of just $20.16 (about £15.35), I was requested to hand over £11.13 - £8 Handling and £3.13 VAT.

Not sure if they (UK Border Force) are ramping up checking packages, but something to bear in mind when buying from China (depending on value of package, these charges will add between 26% to over 75% to the cost of the purchase)
 
wildebus said:
Well, the above is mostly a load of tosh! :idea-007:

The £100 is not a magic figure, it is actually just £15!
If you buy something from an non-EU country and it is over £15, you are liable for VAT. If it is over £135 you are liable for VAT AND Customs Duties.
If it is a Gift, then the VAT threshold starts at £34 rather than £15.
And to the above VAT and Customs Duties is applied a Handling Charge.

Why do I know this info now? Because on a purchase from Ali Express with a (true) declared value of just $20.16 (about £15.35), I was requested to hand over £11.13 - £8 Handling and £3.13 VAT.

Not sure if they (UK Border Force) are ramping up checking packages, but something to bear in mind when buying from China (depending on value of package, these charges will add between 26% to over 75% to the cost of the purchase)
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If you ask the sender to label as spare macheen parts then no charge at all,i bought £20 of marine funnels from usa and got charges £10 custom charge,then i was told about the above trick.
 
Well this is starting to get a bit frustrating originally the heater ran fine for a week then failed on the glow plug, Another plug arrived today from China and it is broken on the ceramic due no doubt to crap packaging. Its only packing was a poly bag. not even any bubble wrap never mind a box to protect it. So now back to square one only now I have two broken plugs.
 
I got another glow plug today from a British supplier well packaged. Put it in and we are now up and running and warm again. The plug is for a VVBK heater.
 
Im lucky as my house oil boiler is in workshop so i just added some extra rads at back of shop.
 
Update.
The heater is still running fine with no problems.
For the people who were wondering about buying from a Chinese supplier and any after service.
The replacement plug that I sent for from a Chinese supplier that I received broken, I have been refunded in full with no intervention needed from Ebay.
The original plug that I stupidly broke removing and making it impossible to test. I contacted the heater seller telling them exactly what had happened and asked if they could possibly supply me with another glow plug and I would be willing to pay as it was I that had broken it making it impossible to test. They replied they would get one as it was not something they normally sold. For a price of £15 and I could just pay them through PayPal. So I did. This was not using Ebay, so no protection there. A few days later I received a message saying it had been dispatched. Yesterday the parcel arrived from China very well packaged and it contained 2 Glow plugs not 1. BONUS !
So overall a few setbacks, a little frustration but a positive experience and a warm garage still. There are 8kw available now. that were not available when I originally set off down this road.

Anyone considering one now I would say do it. They are now coming up for sale quite often on the facebook group. Quite a lot are buying 5Kw heaters and putting them in such as T4s and finding them too powerful and then wanting 2 or 3 Kw versions. As with a lot of things people get carried away with size thinking bigger is better, but it doesn't do these type of heaters any favours to be run on minimum most of the time. The thing is there is very little price difference between 2 and 5Kw so people a going for 5s.
One member on the facebook group is a Chinese girl who works for one of the manufacturers and is very helpful.
 
Fazerloz said:
Update.
The heater is still running fine with no problems.
For the people who were wondering about buying from a Chinese supplier and any after service.
The replacement plug that I sent for from a Chinese supplier that I received broken, I have been refunded in full with no intervention needed from Ebay.
The original plug that I stupidly broke removing and making it impossible to test. I contacted the heater seller telling them exactly what had happened and asked if they could possibly supply me with another glow plug and I would be willing to pay as it was I that had broken it making it impossible to test. They replied they would get one as it was not something they normally sold. For a price of £15 and I could just pay them through PayPal. So I did. This was not using Ebay, so no protection there. A few days later I received a message saying it had been dispatched. Yesterday the parcel arrived from China very well packaged and it contained 2 Glow plugs not 1. BONUS !
So overall a few setbacks, a little frustration but a positive experience and a warm garage still. There are 8kw available now. that were not available when I originally set off down this road.

Anyone considering one now I would say do it. They are now coming up for sale quite often on the facebook group. Quite a lot are buying 5Kw heaters and putting them in such as T4s and finding them too powerful and then wanting 2 or 3 Kw versions. As with a lot of things people get carried away with size thinking bigger is better, but it doesn't do these type of heaters any favours to be run on minimum most of the time. The thing is there is very little price difference between 2 and 5Kw so people a going for 5s.
One member on the facebook group is a Chinese girl who works for one of the manufacturers and is very helpful.
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I am glad to hear how it has worked out so far, keep up the good work

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