Dartmoor landowner wins court case to ban wild camping.

trevskoda said:
Two ways to look at it, if you bought a large house with a massive garden would you want folk walking all over it, but over here a right of way exists if not challenged within 3 years.
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No one wants to go into big gardens. They want to walk on open unfenced moorland. Not even fields!
I'm sure there's lots of open countryside you like walking in (Mourne Mountains?) Imagine being banned...
Access works in Scotland.
 
Never been challenged, but then I tend to walk in forest parks or the Mourne mountains where access is fairly easy, but I always thought that if challenged I would ask to see ID and copy of the title deeds.

I firmly believe that people are entitled to privacy within their own home and garden, but once you get to more than a few acres, then access is fair game. Land ownership is historically theft particularly on the big estates and is one area I would be very socialist minded.

Of course farms need to be afforded protection from those who would misuse or cause safety issues to staff and stock, but that is simply the same issue that we as motorhomers face regarding parking and behaviour of a despicable minority.

Davy
 
Debroos said:
No one wants to go into big gardens. They want to walk on open unfenced moorland. Not even fields!
I'm sure there's lots of open countryside you like walking in (Mourne Mountains?) Imagine being banned...
Access works in Scotland.
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Only done because farmers have agreements to open up paths, some land has no claimant and other bits belong to the MOD from ww2, black mountain is the same.
Some farmers put signs up saying if you can cross this field in 2 mins ok by me but the bull can do it in 1 min 55 seconds.:eek:
 
The owner wants money I suppose If there was a fee he would be happy.
He doe not make money on the land he owns and thats what all the fuss is about.
 
Going back in time . In Somerset we had hippies who set up camp wherever they liked . If a group f hippies parked up on farmland the farmer was prevented by police from taking any physical action to remove them. It had to go to court to get a court order for police to remove them. Spreading dung or introducing cattle were viewed by fuzz as a criminal act.
We eventually ended up with colonies on road verges and on the droves down on the levels. On one occasion I spent some time chatting with a couple of midwives who had been sent out by the Glastonbury surgery to attend a birth in a canvas hovel a mile or so from the nearest tarmac. Moving campers can't be as simple as shouting at them.
Incidentally our national parks don't only include large landowners,. There's lots of ordinary house an gardens, villages etc within the boundaries so banning property ownership isn't an option.
 
Kenj said:
The owner wants money I suppose If there was a fee he would be happy.
He doe not make money on the land he owns and thats what all the fuss is about.
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He earns loads. He does deerstalking and pheasant shooting for corporate clients. They pay thousands of pounds each per day.
Don't know if he keeps sheep or cattle but will have grazing rights for hundreds if not thousands
 
Kenj said:
The owner wants money I suppose If there was a fee he would be happy.
He doe not make money on the land he owns and thats what all the fuss is about.
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Sorry but I don’t reckon this is where the crux of the matter lies.
This landowner is one of many landowners in Dartmoor, he alone has chosen to take this matter to the courts. If there was any basis in what you say, other larger landowners would have done likewise, but they did not. When he purchased this land he was well aware of any limitations, but for reasons only known to him he decided to do what he did alone. To date I have not heard one word of support from any of the other landowners in Dartmoor.
 
Fisherman said:
Sorry but I don’t reckon this is where the crux of the matter lies.
This landowner is one of many landowners in Dartmoor, he alone has chosen to take this matter to the courts. If there was any basis in what you say, other larger landowners would have done likewise, but they did not. When he purchased this land he was well aware of any limitations, but for reasons only known to him he decided to do what he did alone. To date I have not heard one word of support from any of the other landowners in Dartmoor.
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He's closed a car park now so access is harder
 
Debroos said:
He's closed a car park now so access is harder
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I would love to see hundreds of folk putting tents up on his land this summer, and stay there till he backs down. And from what I am hearing that’s exactly what is likely to happen. Looks like we have not heard the last of this matter. I hope that this issue initiates changes throughout England, this could be the start of a real movement for change. His actions may well prove to be counterproductive.
 
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