Consequences of outstaying 90 days ?

iampatman said:
There are quite a few UK folk come here to properties they own or rent accommodation for periods at a time. Most of them have been coming here for 15/20 years. As they are now all on the 90/180 days restriction they have apps which tell them when they can come and for how long, dependent, obviously, on them inputting details of recent visits. Might be worth checking out for folk who come to EU regularly. Saves counting on your fingers. :)

Pat
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Those apps sound just the ticket. Links anybody ?
 
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This is the EU Official Stay Calculator, pared down from the Border Guard System, so it's not the most User Friendly in the world, but it is very good for showing the start of both the 180 and 90 day calculation periods. You can play around with dates of planned trips, and find the 'sweet spot' where the start of a planned trip being nudged back by a couple of days triggers the decay rate of the earlier stay. This enables a medium unused Days allocation to be the front end of the planned trip, and the falling off of Trip 1's early days creates a succession of fresh days for the Planned Trip, meaning that you never breach the 90 Days Stay

EU Schengen Short Stay Calculator

Steve
 
This android one works for me, having been in and out 5 times to our holiday home this year keeping track is not easy without the app, just tried the official link marchie has referred to and, well you did say it wasn't too user friendly. And doesn't have a save option. Though I did input my visits and it concurred with this app:

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Schengen calculator free - Apps on Google Play

Schengen calculator
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You can get six month visas for France and Spain I believe and some motorhomers have done it. It's complicated, expensive and not guaranteed but it's certainly doable. There are a couple of threads about it on the various forums and possibly on here.

Mind you we could just quietly rejoin the single market and we will be back to spending half the year in Europe and no more roaming charges. 😎
 
I miscalculated last year I think and we would have been back having used 91 days (over 2 trips within 180 days) had we stuck to our original plans, so had to do a quick change of plans.

Aside from the fine I have read that you could be deported and also banned from future visits so we take the view that it isn't worth it to overstay.

NB Where I muffed up was in counting nights away instead of days away. Albeit that the final day for us is around an hour's run to Calais, this still counts as a 'day' for Schengen purposes.
 
barryd said:
You can get six month visas for France and Spain I believe and some motorhomers have done it. It's complicated, expensive and not guaranteed but it's certainly doable. There are a couple of threads about it on the various forums and possibly on here.

Mind you we could just quietly rejoin the single market and we will be back to spending half the year in Europe and no more roaming charges. 😎
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You are a very naughty boy
 
Debroos said:
Is it hard to get a 6 month or longer visa?
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There us a "golden" visa if you put enough cash into a property or business. I think 250k or may be 500 so not for most people.

Friends of ours got a 6 month visa for France, think it needs visits to embassy's etc and then plan to cross boarder into Spain when needed.

So I think it can be done but not easy and with complications
 
barryd said:
You can get six month visas for France and Spain I believe and some motorhomers have done it. It's complicated, expensive and not guaranteed but it's certainly doable. There are a couple of threads about it on the various forums and possibly on here.

Mind you we could just quietly rejoin the single market and we will be back to spending half the year in Europe and no more roaming charges. 😎
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That's assuming EU would readmit UK ... Pre-Windsor Agreement, which did go some way to stopping the rot/beginning to rebuild UK's reputation for sticking to Treaty Agreements and Commitments, EU Officials were quite happy to have got rid of UK . But the continuing threat of treating the refugees outside the obligations and rights under the UN Refugee Convention and European Convention on Human Rights has renewed EU scepticism

Then there is the not inconsiderable matter of both Tory and Labour Party commitment NOT to rejoin

Steve
 
marchie said:
That's assuming EU would readmit UK ... Pre-Windsor Agreement, which did go some way to stopping the rot/beginning to rebuild UK's reputation for sticking to Treaty Agreements and Commitments, EU Officials were quite happy to have got rid of UK . But the continuing threat of treating the refugees outside the obligations and rights under the UN Refugee Convention and European Convention on Human Rights has renewed EU scepticism

Then there is the not inconsiderable matter of both Tory and Labour Party commitment NOT to rejoin

Steve
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Who said anything about rejoining? Quietly rejoining the single market is not rejoining. Not that it would be really done quietly though. 😂

We are in danger of going a bit political here though which I appreciate is the result of my bit of fun post. Just imagine that though. Keep ****** but 365 visa free travel for motorhomers again and unlimited data! Happy days eh? 😎
 
The govt is taking the first tentative steps toward moving closer to the SM without compromising ******. It last week very quietly abandoned its plans for a separate UK Standards Authority that were announced with great fanfare in the heady days in favour of following the EU CE standards alone indefinitely.

www.gov.uk

CE marking

How a product complies with EU safety, health and environmental requirements, and how to place a CE marking on your product.
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Glandwr said:
The govt is taking the first tentative steps toward moving closer to the SM without compromising ******. It last week very quietly abandoned its plans for a separate UK Standards Authority that were announced with great fanfare in the heady days in favour of following the EU CE standards alone indefinitely.

www.gov.uk

CE marking

How a product complies with EU safety, health and environmental requirements, and how to place a CE marking on your product.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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The tentative steps were not UK Government proactivity; it was reactive because UK Business were up in arms about the inconsistency of Government advice, the added costs of running '1.5' systems [UK proposed system incomplete at the time of abandonent], and the adverse impact on competitiveness of paying to run 2 systems in parallel. The Guardian had quite a lengthy article on the process/farce

Steve
 
I must say it didn't take very long for this thread to degenerate once again into the usual ****** blah , blah .............
 
barryd said:
Who said anything about rejoining? Quietly rejoining the single market is not rejoining. Not that it would be really done quietly though. 😂

We are in danger of going a bit political here though which I appreciate is the result of my bit of fun post. Just imagine that though. Keep ****** but 365 visa free travel for motorhomers again and unlimited data! Happy days eh? 😎
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You did re rejoining Single Market. That cannot happen as a standalone option, it will require EU or EEA membership and the latter has been pre-empted by Norway indicating early on post-****** that it would not favour UK joining

UK is out of Europe for trade and legal matters etc. Will Hutton wrote quite a sobering, and sad, article in Sunday's Guardian/Observer, pointing out that UK is no longer a prosperous nation, it no longer has its former colonial/empire powers/resources and it will have to try to compete as a single nation in a global economy dominated by China, USA, EU and TransPacific regional alliances

This is not a political post; merely an indication of the economics and the geo-political realities that UK would face if it were to contemplate applying to rejoin a European Trading Bloc

Steve
 
I think the key point for those of you without an E.U. passport is that the Schengen system is not designed to accomodate your needs as a traveller across the E.U. this has a massive impact because we are all used to just jumping in the van and going, with no restrictions etc, people who have propertys in Spain as an example cannot get a Schengen visa, they need to get a Spanish visa, but if they drive down to Spain and drive back and the whole trip is over 90 days technically the French authorities could take the view that they have still been in the Schengen zone for in excess of the time limit, obviously common sense would be for the French to discount the days spent in Spain, but the French could easily claim that they could have moved around the E.U. and there have been cases where this has happened, those of you with a Spanish visa etc, would be well advised to keep receipts for spending (ideally a receipt each day) and if you do pop into France don't keep such and leave the phone / camera off.

In June a British truck driver returning from a trip to Turkey was checked by Dutch Police and arrested for exceeding the 90 day limit, he had calculated excluding the days in Turkey, but the Dutch police didn't agree, he paid the fine simply to get on with his trip, the RHA also has reports of similar checks within the Netherlands here

Your UK passport effectively acts as a short term Schengen visa right now, but soon ETIAS will be required and the E.U's intention is anyone over staying will have thier ETIAS cancelled and therefore you will have to re-apply but your be re-applying with a criminal record and therefore may not get another one.
 
Boris7 said:
I think the key point for those of you without an E.U. passport is that the Schengen system is not designed to accomodate your needs as a traveller across the E.U. this has a massive impact because we are all used to just jumping in the van and going, with no restrictions etc, people who have propertys in Spain as an example cannot get a Schengen visa, they need to get a Spanish visa, but if they drive down to Spain and drive back and the whole trip is over 90 days technically the French authorities could take the view that they have still been in the Schengen zone for in excess of the time limit, obviously common sense would be for the French to discount the days spent in Spain, but the French could easily claim that they could have moved around the E.U. and there have been cases where this has happened, those of you with a Spanish visa etc, would be well advised to keep receipts for spending (ideally a receipt each day) and if you do pop into France don't keep such and leave the phone / camera off.

In June a British truck driver returning from a trip to Turkey was checked by Dutch Police and arrested for exceeding the 90 day limit, he had calculated excluding the days in Turkey, but the Dutch police didn't agree, he paid the fine simply to get on with his trip, the RHA also has reports of similar checks within the Netherlands here

Your UK passport effectively acts as a short term Schengen visa right now, but soon ETIAS will be required and the E.U's intention is anyone over staying will have thier ETIAS cancelled and therefore you will have to re-apply but your be re-applying with a criminal record and therefore may not get another one.
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I suppose owners of a property in Spain could always use the ferry into northern Spain thus cutting out France altogether.
 
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