Congestion Zone charges

marchie said:
Because places like Glasgow launch a Clean Air Zone to improve air quality (allegedly) yet still permit the installation of wood stoves in the area, knowing full well that chimney emissions at anywhere between 200 and 750 times those of an HGV will occur; and that there are additional hazards for the house occupants because of the carcinogens when the stove is opened

Steve
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See my question in last post .
Removing traffic from city streets is a good thing for air quality whether I (we) like it or not .
This subject was discussed a while back and someone posted about the exhaust from a cruise ship . Think the woodburner argument is in that category
 
I think the straight answer to all this kerfuffle is to just avoid all cities whatever I'm driving. I give up. Doesn't matter what I buy the bu**ers will still get me somehow.
I bet as Wrexham is supposed to be a blooming city now they'll bring in a CAZ soon.
 
Caz said:
I think the straight answer to all this kerfuffle is to just avoid all cities whatever I'm driving. I give up. Doesn't matter what I buy the bu**ers will still get me somehow.
I bet as Wrexham is supposed to be a blooming city now they'll bring in a CAZ soon.
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I tried to do that before congestion charging Caz unless absolutely necessary.

I will certainly not drive in cities now so in that respect they are achieving their targets as far as I am concerned. But neither will I go into cities via public transport and give them my custom.

That'll show 'em. :LOL:
 
mark61 said:
Mine does have ad blue and (apparently) isn't compliant. :LOL:

Mines not compliant on the gov.scot checker either, although mine a 319CDI is classified as a van, not HGV.

I thought HGV are referenced in roman numerals, ie Euro I to Euro VI, and these are not be conflated or compared as they are completely different standards.
A Euro 6, is not a Euro VI
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Euro 6 and Euro VI being different standards blew my mind, so I had to fact check it. Unbelievably (IMO) it's true -- and I've provided a link below to an ICCT document that outlines both standards. Euro 6 applies to light duty vehicles while Euro VI applies to heavy duty vehicles.


For me, the 'unbelievable' bit is that the same vehicle can be either merely by changing its maximum gross weight, so the same chassis-cab could be a light-duty vehicle at 3.5 tonnes and a heavy-duty vehicle at (say) 4.0 tonnes MGW. According to the page linked below, a light-duty vehicle is, "up to 3.5 tonnes and carrying up to nine people including the driver – in other words cars, ‘people carriers’, SUVs and light vans" and there are several platforms where examples of essentially the same vehicle can have MGW both sides of the cut-off point. This hardly seems joined-up thinking?!

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Passenger cars & light commercial vehicles - AECC

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It really is a screwed up system, I just tried to check our van for the trip up north, no way to check.

I should be able to put in the reg, and it tell me where I need to pay so I can avoid it, also it is a private vehicle and it's registered for Bradford so should be okay for the other zones but there is no national register to exempt it, bonkers and really pisses me off.
 
I think they use "reference mass" to define between light and heavy duty, rather than GVW. I think they like to complicate things.

Even more confusing, a 170 bhp 3.5 tonne Sprinter is advertised as Euro 6d Gr.III, while the 190 bhp 3.5 tonne option is advertised as Euro VI. The 190 bhp option has 14 kg less payload.
 
New I'd be no good in Glasgow

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Well Thank EFF At least Scotland has had some sense, need to check England and Ireland next, I can wander around Glasgow all I want with no charge .

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I may be entitled to an exemption in individual towns but would have to apply to each one in England.

Looked at Wales but it seems not in force yet, next year, Ireland has no real info, not going until ate summer so I'll look then
 
alcam said:
See my question in last post .
Removing traffic from city streets is a good thing for air quality whether I (we) like it or not .
This subject was discussed a while back and someone posted about the exhaust from a cruise ship . Think the woodburner argument is in that category
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More woodstoves than cruise ships, but same high pollution. French study in Marseille showed abnormal level of pollution deaths amongst residents in the Port Area, so there is a need to focus on the type and source of pollution in an informed manner, rather than chasing the revenue or playing to the gallery. But I am more than happy to agree to differ

Steve
 
mark61 said:
I think they use "reference mass" to define between light and heavy duty, rather than GVW. I think they like to complicate things.

Even more confusing, a 170 bhp 3.5 tonne Sprinter is advertised as Euro 6d Gr.III, while the 190 bhp 3.5 tonne option is advertised as Euro VI. The 190 bhp option has 14 kg less payload.
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I suspect there is a 'gotcha' for unwary builders. In the past, it was relatively easy to uprate some 3.5 tonne vans as all that was required was different tyres and perhaps a suspension tweak or two. Now I'm wondering whether it's now not possible to uprate a Euro 6 van (say) from 3.5 tonnes to 3.85 tonnes or a little more as the use will have changed from light-duty to heavy-duty?!
 
Am I missing something, they have mine as a hgv but class in vc5 is motorcaravan...can I query this somewhere
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marchie said:
More woodstoves than cruise ships, but same high pollution. French study in Marseille showed abnormal level of pollution deaths amongst residents in the Port Area, so there is a need to focus on the type and source of pollution in an informed manner, rather than chasing the revenue or playing to the gallery. But I am more than happy to agree to differ

Steve
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Sit outside at cafes more when away (for obvious reasons) and , especially in narrow streets , the air is horrendous. Was in Saintes last trip and it appeared all delivery vans , postal vans etc were electric . Noticeably easier to breathe .
Obviously that is not a scientific study but , basically, all I need to know about traffic pollution.
Yes there are other sources of air pollution but we , as motorists , are talking about what is caused by motors surely ?
 
alcam said:
Sit outside at cafes more when away (for obvious reasons) and , especially in narrow streets , the air is horrendous. Was in Saintes last trip and it appeared all delivery vans , postal vans etc were electric . Noticeably easier to breathe .
Obviously that is not a scientific study but , basically, all I need to know about traffic pollution.
Yes there are other sources of air pollution but we , as motorists , are talking about what is caused by motors surely ?
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No, the topic is Clean Air Zones in relation to Congestion Zones. As I said, happy to disagree

Steve
 
Drover said:
Am I missing something, they have mine as a hgv but class in vc5 is motorcaravan...can I query this somewhere
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There are two things here. If your van is over 3.5 tonnes, the taxation class will be "Private HGV". The body type is a separate entry and may be one of a number of things, including "Motor Caravan" and "Van with Windows". For example, here's the relevant extract from page 2 of the V5C for my van...

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GeoffL, total scam by councils, before I uprated mine to 4 ton it was 3500kg. The charge was £10 (car price) now its £50 or £100.....same vehicle, same emissions,
Dover-ferry ,train -eu or Wales for us....
the Uk is a sham
 
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