C&MC site at Culloden Moor

[mariesnowgoose]

I've been wondering...

All this talk of hygiene and washing your hands with soap and water and how it kills the virus....

Surely hot showers, communal/public or not, with plenty of soap and water will also kill the virus, no....? ... and if not, why not?!

 

[Val54]

I've been wondering...

All this talk of hygiene and washing your hands with soap and water and how it kills the virus....

Surely hot showers, communal/public or not, with plenty of soap and water will also kill the virus, no....? ... and if not, why not?!

In theory, yes it should Marie, but its the less than fastidious person who doesn't hand sanitise going in ...... door handles, taps etc etc. As an aside we've been looking at whether we should reopen our village hall to all users, but the pages of government advice make sobering reading and rely totally on Joe Public being sensible, including now wearing masks inside. As a result we are keeping the hall closed to all users except the daily pre-school who still have key worker children etc.

 

[mickymost]

I've been wondering...

All this talk of hygiene and washing your hands with soap and water and how it kills the virus....

Surely hot showers, communal/public or not, with plenty of soap and water will also kill the virus, no....? ... and if not, why not?!

Yes Marie good point but they also said when one sneezes the particles of the virus sit in the air for several days (probably rubbish)there are even videos on this showing the cloud in the air of the virus germ.So who wants to be in a shower cubicle or a toilet cubicle on a site any site (or even in general public toilets)when someone before you may be infected and sneezes releasing this so called cloud which is then trapped in the air in this cubicle for several days.If the Scientists are to be believed then you are going to breath it in whether you have washed with soap or not.One cannot it theory wash the air all around you.I know this sounds like rubbish BUT its what this Government and information Videos have put out there.Also what about the door handle for the cubicle the button for the shower the shower seat?The toilet door handle the flush handle the tap in the sinks.UNLESS someone comes behind you every time to disinfect these things how do you know you are not picking up the virus then touching your mouth.Face etc?Its all very scary(If the Government is to be believed)We for one havent been away yet since last October I realise many others now have been away and are fine but there are many still many like us who havent been away in their motorhome or Campervan since the Pandemic started.When we do pluck the courage(its her indoors who I have to convince Im straining at the leash to get away)We wont be visiting any site toilet or shower anytime soon.

 

[Deleted member 77519]

Anyone remember farm campsites before shower blocks?
One outside tap and one Loo. Families stayed for 2 weeks. How the hell did we cope?
True we didn't have a Pandemic to cope with, but everyone made the most of things, and I can't ever recall, anyone telling another person they stink.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

... and the 2 metre/1 metre distancing rule?

Is that sufficient to protect you if someone sneezes, based on the so-called 'safety information'?

All the guidelines seem to be based on, well... tbh I'm not entirely sure what...

Where is the unequivocal scientific research/testing/proof that backs up the distancing rules specifically?
Have I missed the public information broadcast that told us all why?
If I have missed it then that means not just me, but a huge swathe of Joe Public has missed this vital information as well.

I hate blindly following 'rules' when I haven't been given a good, solid, proven reason why I need to.
The washing hands and hygiene I can fully comprehend and agree with, even the masks.
The 'social distancing' I find it very hard to get my head round.
Why did it start out at 2 metres and then get reduced to 1 metre? Where's the evidence that proves it works?

 

[mickymost]

Anyone remember farm campsites before shower blocks?
One outside tap and one Loo. Families stayed for 2 weeks. How the hell did we cope?
True we didn't have a Pandemic to cope with, but everyone made the most of things, and I can't ever recall, anyone telling another person they stink.

Agreed but Pandemics dont come around very often.I dont remember living through one in my 58 years on Earth.So things are different and we are going to have to adjust to this like it or not.Keeping safe will be down to the individual and whats in their head.People depressed or suffering will make more of this than it is.Each day im trying to convince my wife to get out and about in the big wide world.We do go shopping every two weeks but we get around the supermarket (only one)quick and she is glad to return home.Im just trying to convince her we need to go somewhere different in the Camper. Shes not convinced yet.

 

[Deleted member 77519]

Baffles me also. Here in Leeds the guidance is still 2m, but 1m, iff you can't stick to 2m. My own personal thoughts on shower blocks are they could be the ideal transmission areas. Lots of atomised water vapour hanging about, someone carrying the virus coughs or sneezes into that?
The only safe way to clean an environment like that, would be to use foggers, after each use of the facilities. Maybe staff are doing this already.?

 

[mickymost]

Baffles me also. Here in Leeds the guidance is still 2m, but 1m, iff you can't stick to 2m. My own personal thoughts on shower blocks are they could be the ideal transmission areas. Lots of atomised water vapour hanging about, someone carrying the virus coughs or sneezes into that?
The only safe way to clean an environment like that, would be to use foggers, after each use of the facilities. Maybe staff are doing this already.?

Cant see that any campsite warden is going in behind someone after each shower to disinfect it sorry cant believe that is happening.Or a toilet cubicle cleaned completely after each use.No not happening!

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Agreed but Pandemics dont come around very often.I dont remember living through one in my 58 years on Earth.So things are different and we are going to have to adjust to this like it or not.Keeping safe will be down to the individual and whats in their head.People depressed or suffering will make more of this than it is.Each day im trying to convince my wife to get out and about in the big wide world.We do go shopping every two weeks but we get around the supermarket (only one)quick and she is glad to return home.Im just trying to convince her we need to go somewhere different in the Camper. Shes not convinced yet.

Tell her about me?

I'm on the most vulnerable list, still got 2 'adjuvent treatments' for cancer to go (last one 2nd September - roll on, can't wait!).

Hasn't stopped me getting out and about - with caution and shedloads of common sense.

Everyone is different and some folk have had the pants scared off them by this pandemic, so much so they will never venture out of their houses until a vaccine is developed. All I can say to that is they might well be dead before that happens, so if you want to live like a prisoner in your own home until that happy day - which may never arrive - then fair enough, but I am of the mindset to take my own chances.

Life is short enough as it is. Once you've been diagnosed with the 'emperor of all maladies' your viewpoint - or at least mine - is changed forever.

Lockdown? Pah! I already did my own lockdown last year. It was just a trial run for this year's lockdown, which, granted, is on a bigger scale, but no real difference in my head. Apart from that fact that millions of other people are also now worried they might die... but they haven't got cancer, the silly sausages, they are running scared at the thought they might catch something that might kill them. All very sad and depressing.

Not me. Onwards and upwards. Something gets us all in the end, no one is immortal.
In the meantime I'm going to try and live the best I can, virus or no bloody virus!

 

[antiquesam]

Yes Marie good point but they also said when one sneezes the particles of the virus sit in the air for several days (probably rubbish)there are even videos on this showing the cloud in the air of the virus germ.So who wants to be in a shower cubicle or a toilet cubicle on a site any site (or even in general public toilets)when someone before you may be infected and sneezes releasing this so called cloud which is then trapped in the air in this cubicle for several days.If the Scientists are to be believed then you are going to breath it in whether you have washed with soap or not.One cannot it theory wash the air all around you.I know this sounds like rubbish BUT its what this Government and information Videos have put out there.Also what about the door handle for the cubicle the button for the shower the shower seat?The toilet door handle the flush handle the tap in the sinks.UNLESS someone comes behind you every time to disinfect these things how do you know you are not picking up the virus then touching your mouth.Face etc?Its all very scary(If the Government is to be believed)We for one havent been away yet since last October I realise many others now have been away and are fine but there are many still many like us who havent been away in their motorhome or Campervan since the Pandemic started.When we do pluck the courage(its her indoors who I have to convince Im straining at the leash to get away)We wont be visiting any site toilet or shower anytime soon.

I can't help thinking that the only safe place is in a hermetically sealed room where the virus won't get you but you'll still die from lack of oxygen or starvation.

 

[Deleted member 77519]

Agreed but Pandemics dont come around very often.I dont remember living through one in my 58 years on Earth.So things are different and we are going to have to adjust to this like it or not.Keeping safe will be down to the individual and whats in their head.People depressed or suffering will make more of this than it is.Each day im trying to convince my wife to get out and about in the big wide world.We do go shopping every two weeks but we get around the supermarket (only one)quick and she is glad to return home.Im just trying to convince her we need to go somewhere different in the Camper. Shes not convinced yet.

I really feel for people who are vulnerable or just worried. I've worked constantly, in sometimes very close environments. The only reasons, I can give, for remaining healthy are just being aware of what's going on around you. Lots of hand washing, in between using gell. I even gell after getting in my own vehicle just in case some scrote has tried the door. I wish your wife well and hope she can overcome her fears. Everyday I go to work, I'm nervous too.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I can't help thinking that the only safe place is in a hermetically sealed room where the virus won't get you but you'll still die from lack of oxygen or starvation.

'Zactly. So I say quit worrying, get your head around the fact that this virus is here to stay and start getting on with life as best as you can

 

[colinm]

We have just got back from a few days at a C&CC site, we knew before going it was one that had the toilets/showers closed, and was only open to units with own facilities. Having watched the 'antics' of some people I would not blame any warden saying "f.u. I'm off". Whilst the majority of people where quite sensible, there where some complete arseholes.

 

[antiquesam]

Anyone remember farm campsites before shower blocks?
One outside tap and one Loo. Families stayed for 2 weeks. How the hell did we cope?
True we didn't have a Pandemic to cope with, but everyone made the most of things, and I can't ever recall, anyone telling another person they stink.

I used to go to one in the Lakes with a very communal toilet with two seats over a pit. I wasn't that intimate with anyone I camped with for that setup.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I really feel for people who are vulnerable or just worried. I've worked constantly, in sometimes very close environments. The only reasons, I can give, for remaining healthy are just being aware of what's going on around you. Lots of hand washing, in between using gell. I even gell after getting in my own vehicle just in case some scrote has tried the door. I wish your wife well and hope she can overcome her fears. Everyday I go to work, I'm nervous too.

I think the secret is keeping yourself as healthy as possible. I know the media keep banging on about the odd person here and there who was 'healthy' and still got really felled by it, or even worse died, and that is the scariest part.

But I still think we all need to try and find the courage to face it and learn to live with it.

 

[Deleted member 77519]

I used to go to one in the Lakes with a very communal toilet with two seats over a pit. I wasn't that intimate with anyone I camped with for that setup.

There used to be a Farm site at Keld, near the bridge going up to Tan Hill. That had a corrugated Barrel, in a Barn, with a plank across it. That was in the mid nineties. You shoved your 2 quid under the farm door.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Multi-seater communal "lime" toilets with wooden seats used to be commonplace up here

But the Romans were doing it long before we were...

 

[antiquesam]

Multi-seater communal "lime" toilets with wooden seats used to be commonplace up here

But the Romans were doing it long before we were...

I remember the school trips to Housesteads and the story of the shared sponge on a stick.

 

[r4dent]

Same when you go on a site and folks with Brand new or up to date massive motorhomes (and caravans) are using the washing up sinks attached to the toilets.Are they frightened to get their sink dirty?

Yes another one is these guys with these posh Motorhomes but go to restaurants and buy takeaways and wont dirty their cookers.

Chill out man. I use washing up sinks when they are available. I go out to do the washing up and SWMBO tidies the MoHo while I'm out of the way.

We go to restaurants or get a take away if that is what we fancy. I use a BBQ if that is what we are in the mode for. We use the cooker if we want to.

My decisions about using facilities are, therefore, different to yours. Not better, not wrong, just different.

I thought freedom was on of the good things about MoHos, please don't criticise those who don't do things your way.

 

[Deleted member 77519]

I remember the school trips to Housesteads and the story of the shared sponge on a stick.

So the moral here is, there were lots of diseases we could have succumbed to, without a Pandemic.