Battery Type

shortcircuit said:
I never thought it would happen but great Channa. Just purchased a Kipor IG2000, any idea how good?
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not a clue , a kipor IG 2000 sounds like a cross between a smoked fish and a Lexus motorcar ( dont worry booked in with the trick cyclist on Monday !!! lol ) !!!:D

Kipor generators from posts here sound quality gennies so I wouldnt fret too much.

Channa
 
The only thing I know about generators is that there's no such thing as a silent one. Unless it's your own!:)
 
channa said:
Good chance I wont bump into you at Yorkshire Caravans then !!!:)

Channa
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your right there channa but i will be at ropers caravans cattrick tomorrow but i will only be fixing their leaking roof and i loaded the price i just could'ent resist did'nt think i'd get the work but i did lol
 
shortcircuit said:
I never thought it would happen but great Channa. Just purchased a Kipor IG2000, any idea how good?
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they are sound and alot cheaper than honda but don't let it run out of fuel mine is a cow to start when it runs out
 
After a bit of research with professor Google

"Basically there are two types of lead acid batteries (along with 3 sub categories); The two main types are Starting (cranking), and Deep Cycle (marine/golf cart). The starting battery (SLI starting lights ignition) is designed to deliver quick bursts of energy (such as starting engines) and therefore has a greater plate count. The plates are thinner and have somewhat different material composition. The deep cycle battery has less instant energy, but greater long-term energy delivery. Deep cycle batteries have thicker plates and can survive a number of discharge cycles. Starting batteries should not be used for deep cycle applications because the thinner plates are more prone to warping and pitting when discharged. The so-called Dual Purpose Battery is a compromise between the two types of batteries, though it is better to be more specific if possible."

source Battery Basics: How to Provide Care and Maintenance for Your Battery | BatteryStuff.com

So by combining the two types of batteries in one, you are not getting the best of two worlds, but more like a battery that is not good for either task! IMHO.
 
I have been watching this thread with interest as I intend to replace my leisure battery soon.

The problem we have, is that most leisure batteries are also listed as being able to do cranking / semi-traction as well. Just look at the Ebay listings under leisure battery.

So basically this means that, unless you can find a proper deep cycle battery, most of us are going to have to settle for either a starter / cranking battery, or a leisure / semi-starter / semi traction battery.

The options as far as I can see are, buy either a battery sold as a starter battery or a battery sold as a leisure battery. Either way from what I can see you are getting the same type of battery with a different label on it.

Most of us will buy one of these two types as they will be in our budget range, ( especially if you're buying a pair ). Most of us I guess, would, as we don't have mega bucks to buy a specialist deep cycle battery.

As long as whatever battery we have does what we want it to do and lasts for an acceptable period, ie:- 3 to 5 years with proper maintenance, then we'll have had our money's worth out of it.
 
PaulC said:
Just what is a semi_traction battery? It's like been semi-pregeant! And "Deep-cycle & Starting" is not possible, because it has to be low current at slow discharge or provide cranking current (800 amps (?)) in short bursts.
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A compromise, as should have been obvious.:rolleyes:

PaulC said:
After a bit of research with professor Google

"Basically there are two types of lead acid batteries (along with 3 sub categories); The two main types are Starting (cranking), and Deep Cycle (marine/golf cart). The starting battery (SLI starting lights ignition) is designed to deliver quick bursts of energy (such as starting engines) and therefore has a greater plate count. The plates are thinner and have somewhat different material composition. The deep cycle battery has less instant energy, but greater long-term energy delivery. Deep cycle batteries have thicker plates and can survive a number of discharge cycles. Starting batteries should not be used for deep cycle applications because the thinner plates are more prone to warping and pitting when discharged. The so-called Dual Purpose Battery is a compromise between the two types of batteries, though it is better to be more specific if possible."

source Battery Basics: How to Provide Care and Maintenance for Your Battery | BatteryStuff.com

So by combining the two types of batteries in one, you are not getting the best of two worlds, but more like a battery that is not good for either task! IMHO.
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Now do you believe me?:cool:

You chose to disregard others opinions because you read up one site and believed it as Gospel.

I did indicate that I had already researched (Googled) the matter.

Any apologies forthcoming will be graciously accepted.


P.S. Your H.O. is an ill founded one that tastes a little bit like sour grapes, IMHO.:D
 
derekfaeberwick said:
A compromise, as should have been obvious.
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Semi traction does mean a thing! If you go down to the supermarket and see some "Traditional Ham", it doesn't mean anything in law, so it could be anything!

You chose to disregard others opinions because you read up one site and believed it as Gospel.
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No, several sites which are independent and without any taurus excrement.

I did indicate that I had already researched (Googled) the matter.
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Well that's a surprise because I use Professor Google as well and here is a link for traction batteries. The real deal!

Industrial Battery,Stationary Battery,Traction Battery,UPS Battery,Battery Manufacturers,India

Not a word about compromise there then! Because there is no such thing as a semi-traction battery.

So use them as a leisure battery in your van :). Because they are genuine deep cycle!

Any apologies forthcoming will be graciously accepted.
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When there is something to apologise for, it will be forth coming. So if you can wait until hell freezes over, because you have failed to present an evidence to support your dubious claims.


P.S. Your H.O. is an ill founded one that tastes a little bit like sour grapes, IMHO.:D
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I'll just treat that remark with the contempt it deserves!
 
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PaulC said:
Semi traction does mean a thing! If you go down to the supermarket and see some "Traditional Ham", it doesn't mean anything in law, so it could be anything!

Semi traction sarnies anyone?:D

No, several sites which are independent and without any taurus excrement.



Well that's a surprise because I use Professor Google as well and here is a link for traction batteries. The real deal!

Industrial Battery,Stationary Battery,Traction Battery,UPS Battery,Battery Manufacturers,India

Not a word about compromise there then! Because there is no such thing as a semi-traction battery.

So use them as a leisure battery in your van :). Because they are genuine deep cycle!



When there is something to apologise for, it will be forth coming. So if you can wait until hell freezes over, because you have failed to present an evidence to support you dubious claims.

No surprise their then.:rolleyes:


I'll just treat that remark with the contempt it deserves!
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As I have treated your semi researched excrement.:p


Gordammed tete de Ricard.
 
I stand by what i've said in this and every other thread about batteries.
 
oooops =don't know if i'm on right road but i'se charging on (sic) regardless: I thought traction usually refers to invalid scooter carriage/ similar use batteries etc ie very specialist , frequently rebuilt by original makers in exhange deals, so not, I think easy to acquire cheap .....
Unlike the "stifened" starter type batteries, "real" leisure batteries ARE gel filled...hence they usually ARE much more expensive. "yachties" buy them because majority of 'em are buying hugely expensive toys detaxed and paid for-upkeep included- on the company tax free tab ( I don't think campers qualify) AND THEY RUN ON RED DIESEL (LEGIT). Old salts (old boat owning sailors like me with old inexpensive boats who do sail offshore occasionally (well I DID until very recently) do prefer gel batts because they don't spill when 90 deg out of vertical and boat is smashing up and down six feet+ in a heavy sea- but they still really DO cost and anything from a yacht shop has an extra 150% added!
Otherwise, I go for nice big cheap lead acids when on the level!
 
wot's in a name? A rose by any other..... ditto salesmen and manufacturers sh*t!
So believe what U like and pay the piper.....if he doesn't dance kick him in the goolies!
 
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