Double jab flu and corvid

[Fisherman]

Your first link doesn't find any article.

A quick check into the background and context of both websites suggests a political bias.

Basically, neither websites demonstrate any gravitas or scientific impartiality.

I always try to keep an open mind, but on the basis of the two obscure sources you've quoted I'll pass, thanks

More importantly Marie none of this would make a blind bit of difference to my neighbour who used to think this way and who almost died because of it. They are now suffering long covid after being on a ventilator whilst unvaccinated. Also none of this makes a blind bit of difference in the decision to be vaccinated, I would rather be “protected” than unprotected.

No vaccine ever produced has ever given full “immunity”.

 

[Robmac]

More importantly Marie none of this would make a blind bit of difference to my neighbour who used to think this way and who almost died because of it. They are now suffering long covid after being on a ventilator whilst unvaccinated. Also none of this makes a blind bit of difference in the decision to be vaccinated, I would rather be “protected” than unprotected.

No vaccine ever produced has ever given full “immunity”.

A good friend of mine refused the vaccine Bill, got Covid and died, his wife barely survived it too. He was a perfectly healthy man in his 50's prior to this.

So I'm in the 'get jabbed' camp. The jab to me seems less risky than the virus.

 

[witzend]

Well we,s both getting both of ours tomorrow morning.

 

[Fisherman]

A good friend of mine refused the vaccine Bill, got Covid and died, his wife barely survived it too. He was a perfectly healthy man in his 50's prior to this.

So I'm in the 'get jabbed' camp. The jab to me seems less risky than the virus.

Rob, I fully respect peoples views not to be vaccinated. I don’t understand their logic, but that’s there right to have that logic. But trying to influence people not to be vaccinated is on another level. How would any decent person feel if they had persuaded someone not to vaccinate, then that person catches covid and dies. For the record I checked the official worldwide figure for those who have died from the vaccines, 1645. 7 million have died from covid.

 

[Robmac]

Rob, I fully respect peoples views not to be vaccinated. I don’t understand their logic, but that’s there right to have that logic. But trying to influence people not to be vaccinated is on another level. How would any decent person feel if they had persuaded someone not to vaccinate, then that person catches covid and dies. For the record I checked the official worldwide figure for those who have died from the vaccines, 1645. 7 million have died from covid.

My mate didn't have strong views either way Bill, but his son did, and talked him into not having it.

As you can imagine the families feelings now are... well, as you can imagine!

 

[Robmac]

As chance would have it, my grandson (who lives with us) has just tested positive.

The rest of us are all negative - at the moment!

 

[Tezza33]

I always try to keep an open mind,

At least you have room up there for more ideas

 

[mariesnowgoose]

At least you have room up there for more ideas

Good job you're down the country ey, Terry

Not too old for a clip round the lughole

 

[Fisherman]

Good job you're down the country ey, Terry

Not too old for a clip round the lughole

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Captain Tom was not to old for a clip round the lughole, was he Marie

 

[Debroos]

I caught it in December 2019 before anyone knew anything about it, I was diagnosed with an unknown virus and was ill for a long time, my Wife Maggy caught it in January but recovered after a few weeks, she has been well since until January this year when she had a heart attack but we don't know if this is related.
Totally different for me, diagnosed with long covid in 2020, suffered from breathing difficulties since, I have no energy, I already had heart problems but I don't think that got worse but I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes early this year, recently being prescribed inhalers and my life has changed totally, I can go a week with no symptoms then it hits me hard, we have not used the van once since Dec 2019 and we are considering selling it, we are not miserable because there is no point and we will continue to make the best of our situation but I wish we could have had a vaccination before all this happened

You might want to check this out.
https://yourgutplus.com/

Here's a quote from it
"YourgutPlus+ was developed in May 2020 for the UK national Covid-19 dietary intervention study. For more details of the design and background of the scientific study please see the trials website (https://phyto-V.com). For a summary of the initial results see our ( research page. )"

Specifically for long covid and seems to produce significant improvement.

Long Covid: Ambulance worker credits food supplements to alleviate symptoms

Matt Webb says supplements, taken as part of a hospital trial, alleviated his long Covid fatigue.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[mariesnowgoose]

You might want to check this out.
https://yourgutplus.com/

Here's a quote from it
"YourgutPlus+ was developed in May 2020 for the UK national Covid-19 dietary intervention study. For more details of the design and background of the scientific study please see the trials website (https://phyto-V.com). For a summary of the initial results see our ( research page. )"

Specifically for long covid and seems to produce significant improvement.

Long Covid: Ambulance worker credits food supplements to alleviate symptoms

Matt Webb says supplements, taken as part of a hospital trial, alleviated his long Covid fatigue.

www.bbc.co.uk

They'e out of stock. Like all sorts of other stuff at the moment

Guessing there's still plenty of supply blockages around causing all kinds of knock on effects. The old waiting game, ey?

 

[Debroos]

They'e out of stock. Like all sorts of other stuff at the moment

Guessing there's still plenty of supply blockages around causing all kinds of knock on effects. The old waiting game, ey?

It's happened before but comes back into stock quite quickly

 

[Tezza33]

You might want to check this out.
https://yourgutplus.com/

Here's a quote from it
"YourgutPlus+ was developed in May 2020 for the UK national Covid-19 dietary intervention study. For more details of the design and background of the scientific study please see the trials website (https://phyto-V.com). For a summary of the initial results see our ( research page. )"

Specifically for long covid and seems to produce significant improvement.

Long Covid: Ambulance worker credits food supplements to alleviate symptoms

Matt Webb says supplements, taken as part of a hospital trial, alleviated his long Covid fatigue.

www.bbc.co.uk

Thank you, I am taking one that is similar and it has helped but I will try this when it is back in stock

They'e out of stock. Like all sorts of other stuff at the moment

Guessing there's still plenty of supply blockages around causing all kinds of knock on effects. The old waiting game, ey?

I am a married man, I am used to waiting

It's happened before but comes back into stock quite quickly

I have a gut feeling it will be back in stock soon

 

[raggeevets]

Just had my 5th Covid jab. Would've been my 6th but for an acute asthma attack in June. Flu done as well. Now registered for anti viral if I get Covid following use of oral steroids.

 

[Robmac]

My Grandson Harry has Covid (4th time he has had it). We rang the school and they said he must still come in. Madness!

He didn't go in.

 

[FULL TIMER]

CV jab booked for yesterday and Flu for next week.

Turned up and the offered the Flu jab while we were there.

No Brainer, got them both.

Anyone who refuses should not get NHS treatment for Covid / Flu.

A very selfish way of thinking, I take it you don't drink or have never smoked should we also cut out treatment for liver, kidney and lung conditions. I will never have the jabs , why would anyone trust a company that is immune from legal action being taken by the many that have suffered serious adverse reactions or died as a result of the jabs I personally know of two that nearly died as a direct result of having the jabs one actually did die but was saved as he was having the second jab in hospital due to a bad reaction to the first jab, the other has been left with a heart condition. I believe there are over two thousand people trying to claim off the government at the moment the criteria to qualify is either a death of a loved one or for someone to have been left with more than a 60% permanent disability.

 

[Red Dwarf]

Tell the families of the dead nhs staff that worked day and night why you didn’t want vaccinating, explain to the children of the dead nurses why their mum’s died. Sorry, absolutely no time for anyone who doesn’t take a vaccine. At one highland hospital there were twenty people in icu with covid, nineteen we’re unvaccinated.

Hey, but it’s not just covid vaccines that get refused. There are parents not letting their kids have the mmr vaccine..... I know, let’s turn the clock back and have lots of sick people, perhaps smallpox?
Then there are vaccines that are wanted... when these same folk jet off to tropical destinations, they whinge at having to pay for their travel vaccines... it’s a mad world.

 

[wild camper]

Wow,I cannot believe how gullible you lot on here are,why on earth are you still getting these poisonous jabs

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576905812286394369

Yes - I'm a psychotherapist and I've had 3 clients in the past few months all with severe covid vaccine injury that are really struggling to stay alive because 1. no one listens or believes them when say it was the vaccine that caused the injury, including MOST doctors 2. have few options for recovery AS no one listens or even knows how to deal with vaccine injury. There is no question of these being vaccine injuries since these severe, more neurological complaints arose directly after the 2nd vaccine without ever any previous issues. They are told they are creating the symptoms with their minds. Absolute bonkers. One client cannot walk, sit or stand, can only lay down. The other has a list of 30 neurological and physical issues.

My sister in law previously fit and healthy now has apnea (stop breathing in sleep) and diagnosed with myocarditis - she's in her 30s. And BOTH her jabbed parents now have serious cancers.

All I can say is that I'm glad I hesitated...

 

[Fisherman]

A very selfish way of thinking, I take it you don't drink or have never smoked should we also cut out treatment for liver, kidney and lung conditions. I will never have the jabs , why would anyone trust a company that is immune from legal action being taken by the many that have suffered serious adverse reactions or died as a result of the jabs I personally know of two that nearly died as a direct result of having the jabs one actually did die but was saved as he was having the second jab in hospital due to a bad reaction to the first jab, the other has been left with a heart condition. I believe there are over two thousand people trying to claim off the government at the moment the criteria to qualify is either a death of a loved one or for someone to have been left with more than a 60% permanent disability.

Official WHO figures

People who have died from vaccines worldwide 1649

People who have died from covid just under 7 million. (As of 30/9/22)

But Ironically I do agree with you with regards to comments about refusing NHS treatment, that would be indefensible.
At one point in Scotland it was reported that 95% of those requiring hospital treatment were unvaccinated.
These people were taking up valuable beds, and making life more difficult for overworked NHS staff.
Also some people had operations cancelled due to them not being vaccinated.
As for your comments about companies being immune to legal action, I leave that kind of thing to lawyers.
Well I will be getting both my Covid and flue vaccines at around 5.30 today, and I am much looking forward to it.
I am not posting this to convert you, I know I am wasting my time.
I just think its important to counter your arguments, that way I might just save a life.

 

[colinm]

A very selfish way of thinking, I take it you don't drink or have never smoked should we also cut out treatment for liver, kidney and lung conditions. I will never have the jabs , why would anyone trust a company that is immune from legal action being taken by the many that have suffered serious adverse reactions or died as a result of the jabs I personally know of two that nearly died as a direct result of having the jabs one actually did die but was saved as he was having the second jab in hospital due to a bad reaction to the first jab, the other has been left with a heart condition. I believe there are over two thousand people trying to claim off the government at the moment the criteria to qualify is either a death of a loved one or for someone to have been left with more than a 60% permanent disability.

As CV-19 vaccines now have full approval AFAIK the supposed immunity from prosecution (note there was never a full immunity from prosecution) has been removed.
As I have posted before I have unvaccinated friends and family who have died due to CV-19, I have other vaccinated friends and family who have survived CV-19 who surely wouldn't have done without the vaccine due to other health problems.