So now will they stop blaming motorhomes?

Boris - all I can say is you must be the son of the Dalai Llama, or some other spiritual master, if you automatically knew that littering was wrong from birth.... respect! 🙏;) 🤣 😜 :cool:

No Marie, he was a truck driver. Massive bloke stupid as mud and hard as nails.

But he had respect for himself and everyone else, he would always say “just do what you know is right, and you won’t go far wrong”
 
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I am constantly amazed at the number of people who believe that.
Even a friend of mine said she thought we were the main source of shite in the bushes. She didn't sound convinced when I explained otherwise...

Many who make that accusation are not aware that we have toilets, I dread to think where some carry out their ablutions. When you have to go, you have to go.
 
And yet the people in cars who obviously have no toilets don't seem to get blamed!

Debroos, nearly every adult either owns or has access to a car. Cars are ubiquitous, their presence in towns and cities in large numbers is normal. But those people in their big boxes who are maybe a bit different stand out, and are an easy target. We are all road users, and we all pay for the privilege, and some including some Motorhome owners abuse that privilege. But because we stand out, are much fewer we are soft targets for special treatment.
 
I think you are all missing the fundamental problem here, it’s people there are simply far too many people on the planet and we are witnessing the resultant gradual and ever growing breakdown of society, these are symptoms indicative of an increasingly excessive selfish and greedy dog eat dog disrespectful population. One person dropping a bit of litter often went unnoticed but a hundred or a thousand doing so has a huge and very visible impact.

Same logic applies to a hundred motorhomes parked at a local beach or beauty spot instead of one or a thousand revellers at a party instead of twenty, wherever too many people congregate there are inevitably problems, complaints, confrontation etc.

The only logical solution is to get rid of the excess people globally, about 4-5 Billion of them should cover it, at least that would give everyone else and more importantly the planet some breathing space for a few decades.

Unfortunately it would be the gluttonous greed driven populations that would need to be culled first and that won’t be a popular starting point!

I really don’t see this situation ever improving, I almost feel grateful that I won’t be around to see things get significantly worse over the coming years but I feel so sorry for what my children will have to live with long after I am gone.
 
I think you are all missing the fundamental problem here, it’s people there are simply far too many people on the planet and we are witnessing the resultant gradual and ever growing breakdown of society, these are symptoms indicative of an increasingly excessive selfish and greedy dog eat dog disrespectful population. One person dropping a bit of litter often went unnoticed but a hundred or a thousand doing so has a huge and very visible impact.

Same logic applies to a hundred motorhomes parked at a local beach or beauty spot instead of one or a thousand revellers at a party instead of twenty, wherever too many people congregate there are inevitably problems, complaints, confrontation etc.

The only logical solution is to get rid of the excess people globally, about 4-5 Billion of them should cover it, at least that would give everyone else and more importantly the planet some breathing space for a few decades.

Unfortunately it would be the gluttonous greed driven populations that would need to be culled first and that won’t be a popular starting point!

I really don’t see this situation ever improving, I almost feel grateful that I won’t be around to see things get significantly worse over the coming years but I feel so sorry for what my children will have to live with long after I am gone.

Sorry but that is a given. The population of Britain (well England actually) is to large for its landmass. And obviously that puts strains and constraints on how we all live. But more importantly it’s not just about numbers it’s about the additional demands that we as individuals put on the resources at our disposal. Whereas 50 years ago most of us did not have cars, fly all over the world, or consume as much resources as we do now these things have been normalised.

But that is not what this debate is all about, it’s about equity and fairness, being treated fairly. We don’t create much of the problems in more urban areas with a tiny proportion of the vehicles travelling there being leisure vehicles, but disproportionally we receive much of the blame, and suffer from much of the flak. There seems to be a campaign by some in power to shall we say sort us out, whilst doing virtually nothing about the real problems that are created in the popular areas of the U.K.

The world is over populated and difficult times are ahead, and possibly in future our pastime may only be available to the lucky few in large underpopulated parts of the world, but that’s not what this debate was about. Just look at the title given by the OP, that sums up what this is all about.
 
there are simply far too many people on the planet
Whenever a species, including man, becomes too prolific, nature (or God depending on your convictions) has a way of attempting to balance things out......Fire, floods, pestilence! Successive years worse than the previous.
 
I think you are all missing the fundamental problem here, it’s people there are simply far too many people on the planet and we are witnessing the resultant gradual and ever growing breakdown of society, these are symptoms indicative of an increasingly excessive selfish and greedy dog eat dog disrespectful population. One person dropping a bit of litter often went unnoticed but a hundred or a thousand doing so has a huge and very visible impact.

Same logic applies to a hundred motorhomes parked at a local beach or beauty spot instead of one or a thousand revellers at a party instead of twenty, wherever too many people congregate there are inevitably problems, complaints, confrontation etc.

The only logical solution is to get rid of the excess people globally, about 4-5 Billion of them should cover it, at least that would give everyone else and more importantly the planet some breathing space for a few decades.

Unfortunately it would be the gluttonous greed driven populations that would need to be culled first and that won’t be a popular starting point!

I really don’t see this situation ever improving, I almost feel grateful that I won’t be around to see things get significantly worse over the coming years but I feel so sorry for what my children will have to live with long after I am gone.
Aye well, the planet did at least try when it developed the little covids...... but we have got the better of them now
 
Aye well, the planet did at least try when it developed the little covids...... but we have got the better of them now

We hope 🤞:)

Plenty of time for other (bigger and better) plagues and diseases to emerge. (y)

I reckon Mother Nature will have the last word when we overstep the point of no return (if we haven't already).

If you sh*t big time in the only suitable nest currently available in the universe, don't expect the outcome to be sunshine and roses.

Cassette emptying in the bushes will be least of anyone's worries.
 
Rant time!
You’re spot on, it’s the entitlement thing. It’s everywhere and affecting everything.
Try dealing with someone in their late twenties who has eaten themselves obese, is now type two diabetic and believes the role of the multiple nhs agencies is to make them better again! God forbid anyone should suggest they stop stuffing their faces.
So with rubbish, it’s much the same. I’m entitled to do what I want and someone else will deal with the consequences of my ignorant stupidity.

As to the reasons why we’re at this point, I guess it’s a number of factors. Education both at home and at school, just look what we don’t teach anymore. But perhaps more importantly, what has happened to self responsibility and self respect?
In my teens during the summer holidays we took jobs on farms, working in hotels or whatever seasonal work was on offer. It was great fun, met some great people and had some great parties. Many kids now have no thought to do this type of work, it’s hard and crap pay. It’s also an education.

I don’t know the answers, though a rethink of our education policies might be a good start.
Sadly there are no ‘Parent policies’ so ‘Education policies‘ get the blame... Most schools are litter free because it is challenged and enforced. Compare school grounds to motorway verges and exits and you’ll see where the problem lies. Teachers are responsible for educating children, parents are responsible for raising them.
 
Sorry but that is a given. The population of Britain (well England actually) is to large for its landmass. And obviously that puts strains and constraints on how we all live. But more importantly it’s not just about numbers it’s about the additional demands that we as individuals put on the resources at our disposal. Whereas 50 years ago most of us did not have cars, fly all over the world, or consume as much resources as we do now these things have been normalised.

But that is not what this debate is all about, it’s about equity and fairness, being treated fairly. We don’t create much of the problems in more urban areas with a tiny proportion of the vehicles travelling there being leisure vehicles, but disproportionally we receive much of the blame, and suffer from much of the flak. There seems to be a campaign by some in power to shall we say sort us out, whilst doing virtually nothing about the real problems that are created in the popular areas of the U.K.

The world is over populated and difficult times are ahead, and possibly in future our pastime may only be available to the lucky few in large underpopulated parts of the world, but that’s not what this debate was about. Just look at the title given by the OP, that sums up what this is all about.
my favourite saying:- I WAS BORN AT THE RIGHT TIME !!.......1938, and laughing my head off at all the crap going on out there, snowflakes and wokes, leading the way, happy days!!!
 

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