Vaccine

[mark61]

Here is Karen.

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Karen got a MH and joined a forum in the 2020's.

 

[antiquesam]

Interesting.

An article in The Lancet implies that it merits further investigation.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30464-8/fulltext

I wonder if Dr. Snowgoose could translate that paper into a language I can understand ie a few shorter words.

 

[maingate]

I thought you said she was on Twatter? Facebook???? nuff said

She gets about a bit.

 

[davef]

There appears to be some evidence that after getting the Pfizer vaccine it knocks out your immune system for a week leaving you very vulnerable in that period - so if you are having it, it may pay to carefully isolate for the following week. This has been reported in "UK Column News" quoting government figures of increased deaths of over 80s in care homes after given the vaccine.

 

[colinm]

There appears to be some evidence that after getting the Pfizer vaccine it knocks out your immune system for a week leaving you very vulnerable in that period - so if you are having it, it may pay to carefully isolate for the following week. This has been reported in "UK Column News" quoting government figures of increased deaths of over 80s in care homes after given the vaccine.

I think I'd rather trust 'Karen on facebook' before believing uk column news.

 

[barryd]

As regards restrictions against those that have refused the vaccine, does it not depend on whether or not those that have had the vaccine can still transmit it? I might not be up to speed here but as far as I know they dont know yet whether having the vaccine stops you getting it or being a carrier or whether it just reduces the symptoms. If that is the case it really makes no difference to anyone else's safety if you have had the vaccine or not. So what would be the point of banning none vaccinated people from Planes etc if anyone can spread it? Clarification needed I guess on whether the vaccine prevents you catching the virus at all and becoming a carrier or just reduces symptoms and illness.

 

[colinm]

As regards restrictions against those that have refused the vaccine, does it not depend on whether or not those that have had the vaccine can still transmit it? I might not be up to speed here but as far as I know they dont know yet whether having the vaccine stops you getting it or being a carrier or whether it just reduces the symptoms. If that is the case it really makes no difference to anyone else's safety if you have had the vaccine or not. So what would be the point of banning none vaccinated people from Planes etc if anyone can spread it? Clarification needed I guess on whether the vaccine prevents you catching the virus at all and becoming a carrier or just reduces symptoms and illness.

Research so far indicates the vaccine reduces the numbers of people catching the virus, but in those that do it reduces the symptoms. There have already been a few who have had first dose and died, but AFAIK they caught it in the first few days after jab when it's not very effective, but no doubt some will still die after vaccination, just a lot less than without.
The estimated 30% who might not have the jab still present a risk of overwhelming NHS, or any other of the worlds health services.

 

[barryd]

Research so far indicates the vaccine reduces the numbers of people catching the virus, but in those that do it reduces the symptoms. There have already been a few who have had first dose and died, but AFAIK they caught it in the first few days after jab when it's not very effective, but no doubt some will still die after vaccination, just a lot less than without.
The estimated 30% who might not have the jab still present a risk of overwhelming NHS, or any other of the worlds health services.

Thanks. That is the bit that is key then and if it is the case then I guess airlines, shops, ferries or just about anyone have the right to impose restrictions on anyone that can not prove vaccination.

 

[Phantom]

When a new variant appears the changes are not enough to stop the immune system from recognizing the epitopes, therefore the vaccine should work.

Or maybe not?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ne-south-africa-latest-mutation-b1796249.html

 

[Tookey]

Thanks. That is the bit that is key then and if it is the case then I guess airlines, shops, ferries or just about anyone have the right to impose restrictions on anyone that can not prove vaccination.

Although very different that did immediately make my think of apartheid. I believe it's a fundamental right to refuse any medication but at the same time the consequences of carrying covid to a 'clean' area are potentially terrible

Glad I am not in a position that means I would have to consider removing rights from a person when I believe that they have the right not to get the vaccine.

Tough call

 

[davef]

Although very different that did immediately make my think of apartheid. I believe it's a fundamental right to refuse any medication but at the same time the consequences of carrying covid to a 'clean' area are potentially terrible

Glad I am not in a position that means I would have to consider removing rights from a person when I believe that they have the right not to get the vaccine.

Tough call

Perhaps the answer to this problem is an instant and accurate test for covid.

 

[barryd]

Although very different that did immediately make my think of apartheid. I believe it's a fundamental right to refuse any medication but at the same time the consequences of carrying covid to a 'clean' area are potentially terrible

Glad I am not in a position that means I would have to consider removing rights from a person when I believe that they have the right not to get the vaccine.

Tough call

There are plenty of restriction to travel to various countries if you have not had various vaccines, I suspect in time the same will apply to Covid vaccines. Of course its the persons right to refuse it but its also a countries or business, organisation, airline etc right to refuse to accommodate you if you do.

 

[trevskoda]

New strain found in GB mutation of the old one, thought to be very strong and dangerous.
Anyone with a deep sea diving bell they want to lend me.

 

[barryd]

Or maybe not?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ne-south-africa-latest-mutation-b1796249.html

I did reply to your post with something relevant but it seems the forum police didnt like it. Its a pity they could have not just edited my comments and left the link as I think its quite an important development so ill just leave it here and say nothing.

COVID-19: Delaying second dose of Pfizer jab may leave elderly at risk of catching South African variant, study suggests

Lab tests showed that one dose of the vaccine may not stimulate the immune system to produce enough antibodies to kill the virus.

news.sky.com

 

[2cv]

Our street has a whatsapp group. It would seem that at last the over 70s are being offered the vaccine soon.

 

[Tim120]

News column inches or airtime need to be filled.
Any statement preceded by words or phrases such as, thought to, may not, possibly, etc. you get the idea, should negate any impact on the reader.
Before reporting wait for something to report.

 

[trevskoda]

News column inches or airtime need to be filled.
Any statement preceded by words or phrases such as, thought to, may not, possibly, etc. you get the idea, should negate any impact on the reader.
Before reporting wait for something to report.

That sounds like a line from kung fu caine.Master.

 

[rugbyken]

when i were a lad you took what estate agents said with a pinch of salt feel it’s the same with news reporters nowadays

 

[Toffeecat]

With the Astra vaccine reducing transmit ion by almost %70 this then brings up the sticky point of folk declining to have the jab which is their right. I can see problems ahead.

 

[mark61]

With the Astra vaccine reducing transmit ion by almost %70 this then brings up the sticky point of folk declining to have the jab which is their right. I can see problems ahead.

Yes, interesting times.