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argoose said:
Absolutely gobsmacked. No one should be forced to have something injected into their bodies against their will.
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There are some people in their 30's who would have liked the jab. They are currently living their final few hours on my Daughters Covid Ward.

The instances of jabs for other diseases are to give protection (Yellow Fever etc.). Anyone who refuses the Covid jab will be well aware of the possible consequences if they continue to mix with other people. Someone stated "Don't use companies that insist on proof of a jab", that shows intent to endanger other peoples lives ... and their own. This virus is changing and becoming more transmissable. So please, don't ask me to be sympathetic to non-vaxxers who have their own set of principles that clash with those of the majority. You usually get what you deserve in this life. :(
 
Boris7 said:
The more people are vaccinated the more we are protected, not from getting covid, but from being serious ill or dying of covid
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You're right, I agreed with your last post, until the snip I've quoted. Could you explain what you mean a bit more please?
 
maingate said:
There are some people in their 30's who would have liked the jab. They are currently living their final few hours on my Daughters Covid Ward.

The instances of jabs for other diseases are to give protection (Yellow Fever etc.). Anyone who refuses the Covid jab will be well aware of the possible consequences if they continue to mix with other people. Someone stated "Don't use companies that insist on proof of a jab", that shows intent to endanger other peoples lives ... and their own. This virus is changing and becoming more transmissable. So please, don't ask me to be sympathetic to non-vaxxers who have their own set of principles that clash with those of the majority. You usually get what you deserve in this life. :(
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So your saying one part of the population should put themselves at risk for another part of the population?
 
There’s a misconception with the word vaccine, its a vaccine, not a cure the vaccine does not cure covid.

What it does in effect is give you a chemical that your body see’s as an infection, your body sees this as an issue and tells the immune system to fight it off, you then start to make antibodies which fight the infection.

About 2 weeks in (dependant on many factors) your body has produced chemicals that can fight that infection.

So later on when you get Covid-19 your body has developed some immunity, it’s not enough of a defence to stop you getting covid-19 but it’s a heads start to allow you to fight off the worst of it, and stop you getting very ill or dying (just like a flu injection)

Over time you’ll build more and produce more defensive anti bodies, as more and more people build more and more defence there will come a point when the virus no longer survives in our bodies as a serious threat, just a minor irritation, such an example of previous covid is the common cold, this version will end up the same, but simply due to population density and global travel this one will take longer
 
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Boris7 said:
There’s a misconception with the word vaccine, its a vaccine, not a cure the vaccine does not cure covid.

What it does in effect is give you a chemical that your body see’s as an infection, your body sees this as an issue and tells the immune system to fight it off, you then start to make antibodies which fight the infection.

About 2 weeks in (dependant on many factors) your body has produced chemicals that can fight that infection.

So later on when you get Covid-19 your body has developed some immunity, it’s not enough of a defence to stop you getting covid-19 but it’s a heads start to allow you to fight off the worst of it, and stop you getting very ill or dying (just like a flu injection)

Over time you’ll build more and produce more defensive anti bodies, as more and more people build more and more defence there will come a point when the virus no longer survives in our bodies as a serious threat, just a minor irritation, such an example of previous covid is the common cold, this version will end up the same, but simply due to population density and global travel this one will take longer
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Yep, agreed with all that.

Boris7 said:
The more people are vaccinated the more we are protected, not from getting covid, but from being serious ill or dying of covid
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The bold bit - Do you mean people who have been vaccinated or those who haven't?
 
argoose said:
Absolutely gobsmacked. No one should be forced to have something injected into their bodies against their will.
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I'm absolutely gobsmacked that you should want people to put themselves and others at risk by not having the vaccine. The idiots who refuse to let their children have the measles and smallpox vaccine put, not only their kids life in danger, they put their own and the greater population at risk. I see no difference with the covid vaccine.
Some people need common sense and do something for the greater good rather than just for purely selfish reasons.
 
A reminder of Phil's rules,

  1. Coronavirus posts cannot be political and must not be complaining about the actions/decisions of governments or their agencies.
  2. Coronavirus posts cannot blame or be judgmental to any person or groups of people for the spread of the virus.
 
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st3v3 said:
Yep, agreed with all that.


The bold bit - Do you mean people who have been vaccinated or those who haven't?
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neither, wether vacinated or not we will ALL be safer in the long term, would be better if we all got vaccinated and then we would all be better protected sooner, but as long as most of us take the vaccination as soon as we can the sooner this will pass.

But those who don’t will at some point benefit from those who do.
 
While we are thankful for the vaccine,, it only offers protection from getting serious symptoms. If it continues to mutate as quickly as it seems to be doing, i think the most vulnerable will have to be vaccinated every year ....just like many do with the flu vaccine.Let's hope that mass vaccination takes away the pressure from NHS staff, they cant be expected to carry on as they are forever.
 
Boris7 said:
But those who don’t will at some point benefit from those who do.
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This is the part that I don't think is right (heard immunity in it's correct sense.) At the moment, with the information we have, it seems like you can be vaccinated and still get CV and pass it on. Even at percentages of that, it's not enough to stop it. Consider one person with CV stood in the middle of a circle of, say, 8 people. If half of those can catch it from him, they eventually will. And it will continue until it has been through the whole population.
 
But, with mass vaccine take up they may get covid, but will not die from it and THAT is herd immunity.

we all get the common cold but very few die, exactly the point
 
Oh and if you didn’t think I knew you were reeling me in, then you were wrong 😉
 
Boris7 said:
So a single university in the US knows more than the WHO and basically every other institution in the world and this from the man who said
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The link is an example. You've mis-quoted me, I said heard immunity doesn't exist when the vaccine isn't stopping people from passing the virus on.
 
st3v3 said:
The link is an example. You've mis-quoted me, I said heard immunity doesn't exist when the vaccine isn't stopping people from passing the virus on.
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I Must have missed that, please feel free to read back though the thread and show me where you said those words 😉
 
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