Have you thought/realised?

izwozral said:
I'm absolutely gobsmacked that you should want people to put themselves and others at risk by not having the vaccine. The idiots who refuse to let their children have the measles and smallpox vaccine put, not only their kids life in danger, they put their own and the greater population at risk. I see no difference with the covid vaccine.
Some people need common sense and do something for the greater good rather than just for purely selfish reasons.
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Having or not having the vaccine was not my point. The shear fact that someone does not have the basic right to decide what is best for them.
Taking away basic human rights is a very dangerous step to take.
 
Boris7 said:
But herd immunity is still real and still the way out of this mess
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Herd immunity is real, yes.

Herd immunity MIGHT be a way out of this IF the vaccine STOPS you from still getting and passing on the virus.
 
argoose said:
Having or not having the vaccine was not my point. The shear fact that someone does not have the basic right to decide what is best for them.
Taking away basic human rights is a very dangerous step to take.
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But surely stopping us from associating with friends and relatives, stopping us from traveling and the police stopping vehicles to interrogate them about their travel plans is " taking away our human rights".
 
Guess we will just have to disagree on that, seems we have a difference about herd immunity not the common cause.

But I’m happy that this hasn’t sunken into a political row or personal insults
 
antiquesam said:
But surely stopping us from associating with friends and relatives, stopping us from traveling and the police stopping vehicles to interrogate them about their travel plans is " taking away our human rights".
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spoke too soon
 
antiquesam said:
But surely stopping us from associating with friends and relatives, stopping us from traveling and the police stopping vehicles to interrogate them about their travel plans is " taking away our human rights".
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So your saying we should be allowed to travel un hindered and meet whom we want.
Social distancing and washing hands will stop the spread of covid. Being forced to be vaccinated will not stop the spread of covid. Vaccination does not stop you contracting covid or transmitting it. It makes your body aware of the virus before you contract it and gives your immune system a head start in fighting the virus. You will still have the virus, but it should be less lethal/debilitating, but you are still infectious.
I would say lockdown is more a civil liberties infringement than a human rights violation. From your not allowed out to your having what we want pumped into your body is a bit of a leap, don't you think?
 
argoose said:
So your saying we should be allowed to travel un hindered and meet whom we want.
Social distancing and washing hands will stop the spread of covid. Being forced to be vaccinated will not stop the spread of covid. Vaccination does not stop you contracting covid or transmitting it. It makes your body aware of the virus before you contract it and gives your immune system a head start in fighting the virus. You will still have the virus, but it should be less lethal/debilitating, but you are still infectious.
I would say lockdown is more a civil liberties infringement than a human rights violation. From your not allowed out to your having what we want pumped into your body is a bit of a leap, don't you think?
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No I'm saying it is a removal of our human rights just as forcing everyone to be vaccinated would be. Whether it should be happening is another question altogether and well away from my pay grade. I'm not sure I understand the difference between Civil liberties and human rights as I always thought one was based on the other.
 
The difference being, with civil liberties you are told what you can do and with human rights it's what they can do to you.
To be vaccinated, or not, has never been the issue of my point. Purely the fact that the right to decided is taken away from an individual. To give that power to a government is an extremely dangerous move to make.
 
Fazerloz said:
People will still get it the difference is how you will react to it.
If all the vaccine does is just stop someone having to shove a plastic tube down your throat and keep people off intensive care, That'l do for me.
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On a side note that Avatar made me look twice at bottom of screen was gonna squire it till I looked again , gotta get me that . Very good 👍
 
argoose said:
The difference being, with civil liberties you are told what you can do and with human rights it's what they can do to you.
To be vaccinated, or not, has never been the issue of my point. Purely the fact that the right to decided is taken away from an individual. To give that power to a government is an extremely dangerous move to make.
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So. If the government make vaccination compulsory, or physically stop you from doing something then that is a human rights issue, but if they provide guidance on ,say, wearing facemasks then that is a civil liberty issue. Have I got that right?
 
antiquesam said:
So. If the government make vaccination compulsory, or physically stop you from doing something then that is a human rights issue, but if they provide guidance on ,say, wearing facemasks then that is a civil liberty issue. Have I got that right?
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Mask wearing on public transport is compulsory, you can be fined for not wearing one without a valid reason, so in this instance it is a human rights issue.

That's either muddied the waters even further or it has cleared things up. :unsure:
 
argoose said:
Having or not having the vaccine was not my point. The shear fact that someone does not have the basic right to decide what is best for them.
Taking away basic human rights is a very dangerous step to take.
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One persons human rights can effect everybody else in a negative way, so the question has to be, does one persons human rights supersede the many?

A case in point:

Decline in measles vaccination is causing a preventable global resurgence of the disease

Decline in measles vaccination is causing a preventable global resurgence of the disease
www.nih.gov www.nih.gov
 
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