Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

[davef]

Modern limestone quarries in the UK look similar to those mines although not as many levels to them, most things used are extracted from somewhere.

I was surprised recently to find that the big wind turbines are also a problem, I have always liked them and thought they were a great idea. https://www.energyvoice.com/otheren...be-recycled-so-theyre-piling-up-in-landfills/

It seems that the government thinks electric cars will mainly be powered by renewable carbon free wind turbines. Surprised there isn't more concern of the permanent damage to huge areas of the countryside as each turbine base requires over 1000 tons of reinforced concrete 6 to 30 ft deep. 1000 tons of concrete is hardly "carbon" free, and it's highly unlikely these bases will ever be removed - the cost will be astronomical. A photo here of an early, so smallish turbine base in construction https://windfarmaction.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/concrete-turbine-base/

 

[Fazerloz]

https://imgur.com/a/izVdtw5

 

[trevskoda]

Hmmmmmmmmm, no SLK??

99% of cars here go 7 ish miles to work or kids round the corner to school and a few miles to shops,electric is ok for that.
Portrush or newcastle in summer would be about the longest jurney done here at 50 ish miles there and same back.

 

[Asterix]

For me the biggest and best impact of electric cars will be the massive noise reduction,not only in urban areas but rural areas as well.

 

[molly 2]

For me the biggest and best impact of electric cars will be the massive noise reduction,not only in urban areas but rural areas as well.

The accident rate will increase as pedestrian and cycle's won't hear them coming.

 

[HurricaneSmith]

I read that EV manufacturers are researching fake sounds so that pedestrians will hear them coming.

The examples they played sounded like something from the 60s Radiophonic Workshop.
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[Robmac]

I read that EV manufacturers are researching fake sounds so that pedestrians will hear them coming.

The examples they played sounded like something from the 60s Radiophonic Workshop.
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[Asterix]

The accident rate will increase as pedestrian and cycle's won't hear them coming.

It will only affect people that are too thick to look before crossing,another plus for EVs methinks.

 

[mark61]

Half the people have some kind of earphones on and eyes focused on a device, these days.

 

[landoboguy]

Electric vehicles are mainly aimed at charging at home folk. This is where all manufacturers push their literature. Get home plug in wake up full tank. They have smaller emergency charge cables in the boot that will plug into std 13a sockets for when away if needed that only charge between 3 to 6 miles per hour plugged in. Then this hopes to get you to a fast charge point.
The network of on the road chargers is growing but I still don't think for long term heavy miles is ideal just yet. Which then negates the cost savi g of fuel.

 

[Nabsim]

Electric vehicles are mainly aimed at charging at home folk. This is where all manufacturers push their literature. Get home plug in wake up full tank. They have smaller emergency charge cables in the boot that will plug into std 13a sockets for when away if needed that only charge between 3 to 6 miles per hour plugged in. Then this hopes to get you to a fast charge point.
The network of on the road chargers is growing but I still don't think for long term heavy miles is ideal just yet. Which then negates the cost savi g of fuel.

Lots of folks can’t have a home charger though and that doesn’t seem to be taken into account. We have an old quarry workers cottage built on a hill, there is no drive or off-road space to park vehicles. If one was mounted outside the house there is no saying we would get that parking and what would stop anyone else using it.
Apart from houses like ours many people live in flats so again couldn’t have a charge station.

 

[sparrks]

It seems that the government thinks electric cars will mainly be powered by renewable carbon free wind turbines. Surprised there isn't more concern of the permanent damage to huge areas of the countryside as each turbine base requires over 1000 tons of reinforced concrete 6 to 30 ft deep. 1000 tons of concrete is hardly "carbon" free, and it's highly unlikely these bases will ever be removed - the cost will be astronomical. A photo here of an early, so smallish turbine base in construction https://windfarmaction.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/concrete-turbine-base/

That depends if the cement used in the concrete is produced using green energy, say Hydro or Wind or even Nuclear have all got to be cleaner than Oil

 

[trevskoda]

Lots of folks can’t have a home charger though and that doesn’t seem to be taken into account. We have an old quarry workers cottage built on a hill, there is no drive or off-road space to park vehicles. If one was mounted outside the house there is no saying we would get that parking and what would stop anyone else using it.
Apart from houses like ours many people live in flats so again couldn’t have a charge station.

Work hard and buy a proper gents house.

 

[mark61]

Work hard and buy a proper gents house. View attachment 76399

You'd think they'd bung on a solar panel or two, if only to signal their virtue.

 

[Owlhouse]

First and foremost the world has not been warming up since the end of the last ice age around 12000 years ago. There have been many little ice ages during that period the last one taking place in the 19th century. But the period between 1300 and 1870 Europe suffered colder winters than were normal. During the last little ice age for three winters the Thames froze solid and people were ice skating on it. During the 17th century the English Channel froze. These ice ages were the result of reduced sun spot activity from the sun. And ironically we are overdue another major ice age. However if another ice occurs most of the the uk will be covered in ice up to a depth of around 3-400 m. So global warming woukd no longer be a issue. One bonus would be easier access to Europe as the English Chanel would no longer exist, and you could drive to France

Here we go again BBC bias, so owlhouse are you stating that the BBC are the only media outlet to support the the evidence around global warming. I cannot think of one tv Chanel or national newspaper who support your views. So why blame just the BBC. The evidence is so overwhelming that to deny global warming is happening is like questioning who won the premier league last season.

As for you delving into the claims about global warming and then deciding it’s all a rouge riddled with misinformation, well if that’s your opinion fair enough.
But remember if you are wrong we are all screwed, whereas if we take measures to prevent this that prove to have been unnecessary then we end up with a cleaner planet. I know which ending I prefer.

My comment was since the little ice age, meaning the last one and not the Ice Age. We have warmed a little since. You are correct about the Sun’s influence on the climate and there is a lot of evidence to indicate it is the main driver of it and not Co2. The main greenhouse gas is water vapour - clouds. Co2 = 0.4%, water vapour = 90%+.
You are correct about the media, most indeed do support climate change but the BBC seem to ram it down our throats at any and every opportunity. My point about bias is that they will not allow any non climate change views to be reported.
If I am wrong then the destruction of our economy and freedom for less than 1% of the world Co2 output means we have made virtually no difference. If I am right then we will be saving £billions which can be spent on good causes like the NHS, police etc. (And hopefully less tax on my mojo) I am all for reducing pollution but don’t believe the hype around climate change.

 

[davef]

My comment was since the little ice age, meaning the last one and not the Ice Age. We have warmed a little since. You are correct about the Sun’s influence on the climate and there is a lot of evidence to indicate it is the main driver of it and not Co2. The main greenhouse gas is water vapour - clouds. Co2 = 0.4%, water vapour = 90%+.
You are correct about the media, most indeed do support climate change but the BBC seem to ram it down our throats at any and every opportunity. My point about bias is that they will not allow any non climate change views to be reported.
If I am wrong then the destruction of our economy and freedom for less than 1% of the world Co2 output means we have made virtually no difference. If I am right then we will be saving £billions which can be spent on good causes like the NHS, police etc. (And hopefully less tax on my mojo) I am all for reducing pollution but don’t believe the hype around climate change.

The BBC's science correspondent is Roger Harribin who after an infamous meeting with activists from Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth was persuaded the science of Global Warming was settled so no sceptical views could be allowed. ( Of course science is never settled, and theories constantly challenged to find faults in them. If it is settled and unchallengable it is religious dogma.) His qualification for such arrogance in not allowing the contrary views of thousands of scientists.....a degree in English literature!

A slight correction - the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is 400 ppm which is .04% ( not .4%) The idea of this tiny amount being able to significantly warm the earth is ridiculous. It is like adding a teaspoon of hot water to a cold bath and expecting it to heat the bath. Those thinking that we can reduce this amount should remember if it was halved, plants would stop growing - and all life would slowly die.

 

[Fisherman]

If I am wrong then the destruction of our economy and freedom for less than 1% of the world Co2 output means we have made virtually no difference.

If you are wrong civilisation may break down, Nuclear warfare may ensue, millions maybe even billions will die from starvation.
I do agree however that we are small fry with China contributing 29% and rising against our 1%. Our levels have fallen by 38% since 1990.

 

[landoboguy]

Lots of folks can’t have a home charger though and that doesn’t seem to be taken into account. We have an old quarry workers cottage built on a hill, there is no drive or off-road space to park vehicles. If one was mounted outside the house there is no saying we would get that parking and what would stop anyone else using it.
Apart from houses like ours many people live in flats so again couldn’t have a charge station.

Yes, my sister is the same, shes in a farmhouse and uses her motorhome connector (commando socket) to charge hers. She had similar issues when she needed petrol as shes miles away from the nearest petrol station too. Good point about the flats esp high rise.

As for anyone else using it, you trip the switch when not in use.
I look at it like this, back when petrol powered motors started to become common place, I suspect these same questions where asked, how do I get to fill it up, the only fuel stations are x y or z,

Ive just had some bad news about a friend of mine on the south coast and will be going to his funeral soon, Ill see how this all stacks up on a 300 mile run. (which will be rare for me)

 

[Fazerloz]

First and foremost the world has not been warming up since the end of the last ice age around 12000 years ago. There have been many little ice ages during that period the last one taking place in the 19th century. But the period between 1300 and 1870 Europe suffered colder winters than were normal. During the last little ice age for three winters the Thames froze solid and people were ice skating on it. During the 17th century the English Channel froze. These ice ages were the result of reduced sun spot activity from the sun. And ironically we are overdue another major ice age. However if another ice occurs most of the the uk will be covered in ice up to a depth of around 3-400 m. So global warming woukd no longer be a issue. One bonus would be easier access to Europe as the English Chanel would no longer exist, and you could drive to France

Don't forget though only for 90 days in any 180 days. I bet those that voted Brexit never took a Ice age coming into consideration. I want another vote.

 

[Fisherman]

Don't forget though only for 90 days in any 180 days. I bet those that voted Brexit never took a Ice age coming into consideration. I want another vote.

Johnson kept quiet about the ice age, but was upfront about £350 million a week for the NHS