Is it the death knell for the combustion engine?

There are already EV's on the road and have been for years, they are gradually getting more popular, they will be near same price as ICE by 2035.
Yes true, but the early ones aren't very good in regard to charge time/distance per charge. My old 500quid van does 45mpg & runs all day without missing a beat. Early electric vehicles can't compete, yet gttheyre still out of my price range. If I look after my van it will be running for years. However you treat an electric car it will need thousands spending on new batteries every few years. Older vehicles are now getting more popular because of built in obscelesence & electric vehicles are no different. Modern vehicles are built with a limited lifespan & that is wrong, both for the customers & for the environment.
 
Not to forget the potential impact of self driving cars.
They could potentially do away with a lot of car ownership.
You could get of a train and into a car you had summoned online. After it had taken you where you wished it would register as unused and whisk off to its next job. Parking in cities( or in fact anywhere) would no longer be neccessary.
A bit like a car version of a Boris bike but would come to you.
(Good news for the pub industry!)
Lots of testing going on on a runway near me.
Just pay as you use
Not so good for taxi drivers.
Electric power for long distances, no problem. Just swap cars
It will be second car ownership that dwindles first I think.
Also having a car just to drive to and back from your local rail station every day and paying to park will be a thing of the past.
I dont think electric cars on their own are going to be a revolution , self driving cars. That is the real advance
So when mummy and daddy take we johny down to aunts house at the sea side and he barfs or worse when mumsy is changing his dipper and it ends up all over the hire car ,then theres old grandad who pi--es through the seat on his way to hospital once again,how does this get sorted in a hire car. :unsure:
 
Yes true, but the early ones aren't very good in regard to charge time/distance per charge. My old 500quid van does 45mpg & runs all day without missing a beat. Early electric vehicles can't compete, yet gttheyre still out of my price range. If I look after my van it will be running for years. However you treat an electric car it will need thousands spending on new batteries every few years. Older vehicles are now getting more popular because of built in obscelesence & electric vehicles are no different. Modern vehicles are built with a limited lifespan & that is wrong, both for the customers & for the environment.
Henry halls,tesla and vw have tested and recon 40 years on one battery pack,this test is done by working out the loss over a few years,batterys also have a inbuilt 25% reserve which they can switch on from mobile ph towers,all car batteries are monitered at each charge point
 
We will have to look after our existing vehicles a bit better.
We require four times more cobalt to meet 2030 targets than the world has in it's entirety - there simply will not be the electricity infrastructure nor generation capacity by 2030 to meet projected targets. If every household in the average street expects to have a 100kW charging point set up, all expecting to charge in the evenings or overnight, there will need to be a bottom up wholescale rebuilding of the electricity distribution infrastructure from the 415V pillars upwards. This will cost £Billions, never mind the logistics and complexities of actually doing the work, resourcing, the materials, cabling, transformers, etc. We in essence have less than ten years to completely overhaul the UK's electricity infrastructure, which simply will not happen.
 
So when mummy and daddy take we johny down to aunts house at the sea side and he barfs or worse when mumsy is changing his dipper and it ends up all over the hire car ,then theres old grandad who pi--es through the seat on his way to hospital once again,how does this get sorted in a hire car. :unsure:
Lol. Have you seen those automatic toilets that fold up and wash themselves.
Welcome to the future of motoring.

But seriously. That is a fair point
Ah yes. The cars will of course be fitted with a camera and sensors.
Any found to be in a mess will be recalled to central operating areas
 
Whilst I agree that we are over populated and that's set to get worse, there is much we can and must do about how we live. It's simply not an option to say that we can't make any difference, of course we can, and of course we must. Doing nothing, burying our heads in the sand and hoping it will sort itself out, is not an option.

How though? I'm sick to the back teeth of being bullied via the media etc and told that I must start listening, I must take action, I must reduce my carbon footprint, I must DO something to save the planet. Well I've been listening for decades, long before it became fashionable, and I already do everything I can to help - logically, practically and financially - and it's less than a micro-fraction of a drop in the poor old polluted ocean. Fact is, individuals can't help anywhere near enough to stop, let alone cure this. Even if every individual in the UK produced no emissions at all, all that lovely clean air over the country would just blow to the four corners and be replaced with pollution from less enlightened nations. Nothing will make a big enough difference unless the whole world joins in and all the speeches and conferences and empty pledges won't do it. We need far more wide-reaching and far better practical solutions from governments, big business, scientists, inventors and manufacturers, to give individuals the means and/or financial help to truly make a rapid difference. Let's look at the environmental and anti-pollution measures enacted so far.

Plastic bags in supermarkets: More about pollution but still a contributor to harmful gases because dumped plastics can give off harmful gases as they warn up and degrade, particularly in the ocean. I've been taking my own bags/baskets to supermarkets for a couple of decades - again, long before it became fashionable, but have they banned plastic bags even now? No, instead they charge for them.
Result: Someone somewhere makes money out of the scheme and the practice goes on pretty much as before.

LEZ type, clean air restrictions: Both my vehicles are diesel. There's not a great deal of choice with motorhomes as yet but when I bought my car, diesel was deemed the environmentally-friendly option and the right thing to do. I can't afford electric anything other than a bike, which I use as much as I can locally, despite a dire lack of cycle paths. Even if I could find the money to change my car to petrol, this would reduce the NOX emissions but increase CO2, so not really a solution. I never drive my vehicles into my nearest big city, London (always get the train) but if I wanted to I can because LEZ type schemes generally don't stop all polluting vehicles from coming in, they just charge for the privilege.
Result: Someone somewhere makes money out of the scheme and the practice goes on pretty much as before.

Recycling: Again, more about pollution than climate change but dumped plastics are bad news all round. I've recycled for donkey's years and I'm lucky because our local schemes are really up to date with a huge variety of materials included in recycling these days. Old clothes and textiles either go to charity shops or to the local recycling centre (tip) - ditto with wood, metals, electrical items, paint, etc, etc. Behind all this, someone somewhere has to make money out of the scheme to make it viable without massive Government grants. Landfill is bad news and gases are produced as waste decomposes. Incineration had a bad name in the past but could well be the way to go because it's come on in leaps and bounds over the years. The Danish incineration plants are the cleanest in the world and only 5% of waste goes into landfill in Denmark.
Result: Far too much stuff is still dumped because there are no financial incentives, grants or motivation to companies to recycle everything that's available or to find cleaner disposal methods... at least until someone, somewhere can make money out of it!

Carbon offset: I don't fly very often but I do occasionally because my daughter lives in Australia, so I don't consider giving up flying a viable or fair option for me - or any parent with children overseas. Even so, the last time I went to Australia was in 2016 and I'm not going this year, so we're talking once in about 5 years. I'll generally tick the box to offset my carbon footprint but this obviously doesn't reduce the pollution caused in the first place. With enormous luck, promises will be kept and extra trees will be planted somewhere in the world to help with CO2 absorption. Meanwhile, people who fly frequently and unnecessarily have their conscience eased... and don't get me started on private jets to get people to climate conferences! Even Greta, bless her little cotton puppet strings, has a far greater carbon footprint than your average Jo or Josephine, despite the publicity around one of her trips by carbon fibre boat. By the way, toilet waste was dumped in the sea.
Result: Someone somewhere likely makes money out of the scheme and the practice goes on pretty much as before, although we may get more CO2-eating trees in the world.

Has someone come up with an affordable, powerful filter conversion kit for cars to remove damaging particulates and gasses? No
Has someone come up with an affordable kit to convert combustion engines to electric? No. (They do exist but not for normal budgets!)
Cheap replacement engines? No
Has anyone completely banned non-recyclable plastic? No
Are electric cars affordable and practical in the UK? No
Is battery technology good enough at the moment to serve all vehicle needs and do we have enough charging points? No
Do we have automatic induction charging strips along highways - eg, as in Norway? No
Is there a scheme to replace household boilers with electric ones without huge cost to home owners? No (Mine's only 4 years old, so forget it - it's got to see me out now!)
Has anyone banned or converted the enormous ships responsible for more pollution than all the road vehicles in the world put together? No
Have we come up with any new forms of power other than nuclear, in the past, say, 100 years? No (A French scientist invented/discovered solar power in 1989 and the first practical cell was put into use in 1954.)
Has local transport improved to the point where we can give up our cars for most journeys? No. In fact, trying to live a green, simple life in country villages almost ensures that you have to have a car to get anywhere!
Are there good cycle tracks in most places? No

So far, have governments (global, national or local), big businesses or manufacturers done anything specific to help me, as an individual, save the planet? I really don't think so.


Apologies for a war and peace epic but it's been building up for a while now and I needed to vent! Now I'll go back to living my life in as harmless a way as possible until people who can truly make a difference choose to act instead of talk!
 
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Your statements are bang on! Nobody in power seems to give a £$%^ about the environment, other than how can they manipulate the situation to make money. Taking money from us all won't make any difference to the planet, we need action. I too try to make a change but as you say if the big players won't fall in line what chance have we got?...
 
I am not an advocate of electric cars but I happen to own one. Why? Because I just wanted one, I am lucky enough to be able to afford one (even though I agree that they are grossly overpriced), I am lucky enough to have a garage and have a home charger in it and I am lucky enough to live in Scotland where the majority of public chargers are free.
My car has a quoted range of 325 miles (in practice 300 miles in summer, 250 miles in winter). I frequently go down to Preston in it, a one way journey of 300 miles. I take one stop at a supercharger (free) en route to top up so I can run around with the car in a Preston. This takes around 20 minutes while a have a comfort break, maybe a coffee, maybe something to eat. I would have had a stop like this in my diesel car so in practice it takes no longer to do a 300 mile trip in my BEV than in my old ICE car.
Luckily my vehicle has access to a superb network of superchargers which are very fast and well located throughout the UK and they cost me nothing. However I accept that EVs are very expensive and that for them to be practical in the UK we need a vastly improved charger infrastructure. Until this happens electric cars are simply not viable for the majority of the population. I love my BEV and think it’s one of the best cars I have ever owned and is as practical as my lovely old diesel Skoda.
Electric cars and infrastructure will improve - just look at Norway where more than 60% of new cars sold are electric because they have a)invested heavily in infrastructure and b)give huge incentives to EV purchasers.
 
We will have to look after our existing vehicles a bit better.
We require four times more cobalt to meet 2030 targets than the world has in it's entirety - there simply will not be the electricity infrastructure nor generation capacity by 2030 to meet projected targets. If every household in the average street expects to have a 100kW charging point set up, all expecting to charge in the evenings or overnight, there will need to be a bottom up wholescale rebuilding of the electricity distribution infrastructure from the 415V pillars upwards. This will cost £Billions, never mind the logistics and complexities of actually doing the work, resourcing, the materials, cabling, transformers, etc. We in essence have less than ten years to completely overhaul the UK's electricity infrastructure, which simply will not happen.

The petroleum industry uses masses of Cobalt to process fuel,as fossil fuel use goes down, availability of Cobalt will increase,we are probably at a hump in the road currently as fossil versus renewable compete for it.
Future energy requirements can (and are in some countries) be fed back into the grid from cars, essentially using them as storage for peak demands,and topping them up during low demand.
 
As electric come in fuel sales will drop garages will stop fuel and lpg sales prices will go thru the roof
 
Henry halls,tesla and vw have tested and recon 40 years on one battery pack,this test is done by working out the loss over a few years,batterys also have a inbuilt 25% reserve which they can switch on from mobile ph towers,all car batteries are monitered at each charge point
They had a 2012 Nissan Leaf in TopGear last series Trev and the effective battery life was just 35 miles. The said the car was effectively scrap.
 
I am not an advocate of electric cars but I happen to own one. Why? Because I just wanted one, I am lucky enough to be able to afford one (even though I agree that they are grossly overpriced), I am lucky enough to have a garage and have a home charger in it and I am lucky enough to live in Scotland where the majority of public chargers are free.
My car has a quoted range of 325 miles (in practice 300 miles in summer, 250 miles in winter). I frequently go down to Preston in it, a one way journey of 300 miles. I take one stop at a supercharger (free) en route to top up so I can run around with the car in a Preston. This takes around 20 minutes while a have a comfort break, maybe a coffee, maybe something to eat. I would have had a stop like this in my diesel car so in practice it takes no longer to do a 300 mile trip in my BEV than in my old ICE car.
Luckily my vehicle has access to a superb network of superchargers which are very fast and well located throughout the UK and they cost me nothing. However I accept that EVs are very expensive and that for them to be practical in the UK we need a vastly improved charger infrastructure. Until this happens electric cars are simply not viable for the majority of the population. I love my BEV and think it’s one of the best cars I have ever owned and is as practical as my lovely old diesel Skoda.
Electric cars and infrastructure will improve - just look at Norway where more than 60% of new cars sold are electric because they have a)invested heavily in infrastructure and b)give huge incentives to EV purchasers.
Norwegians also have oodles of hydropower, so much they are building a big power hub to ship electricity to UK.
 
The Nordic/Scandinavian countries have a head start. Most of their car parks already have an existing supply for engine block heaters. These are very easily converted to charging.
 
How though? I'm sick to the back teeth of being bullied via the media etc and told that I must start listening, I must take action, I must reduce my carbon footprint, I must DO something to save the planet. Well I've been listening for decades, long before it became fashionable, and I already do everything I can to help - logically, practically and financially - and it's less than a micro-fraction of a drop in the poor old polluted ocean. Fact is, individuals can't help anywhere near enough to stop, let alone cure this. Even if every individual in the UK produced no emissions at all, all that lovely clean air over the country would just blow to the four corners and be replaced with pollution from less enlightened nations. Nothing will make a big enough difference unless the whole world joins in and all the speeches and conferences and empty pledges won't do it. We need far more wide-reaching and far better practical solutions from governments, big business, scientists, inventors and manufacturers, to give individuals the means and/or financial help to truly make a rapid difference. Let's look at the environmental and anti-pollution measures enacted so far.

Plastic bags in supermarkets: More about pollution but still a contributor to harmful gases because dumped plastics can give off harmful gases as they warn up and degrade, particularly in the ocean. I've been taking my own bags/baskets to supermarkets for a couple of decades - again, long before it became fashionable, but have they banned plastic bags even now? No, instead they charge for them.
Result: Someone somewhere makes money out of the scheme and the practice goes on pretty much as before.

LEZ type, clean air restrictions: Both my vehicles are diesel. There's not a great deal of choice with motorhomes as yet but when I bought my car, diesel was deemed the environmentally-friendly option and the right thing to do. I can't afford electric anything other than a bike, which I use as much as I can locally, despite a dire lack of cycle paths. Even if I could find the money to change my car to petrol, this would reduce the NOX emissions but increase CO2, so not really a solution. I never drive my vehicles into my nearest big city, London (always get the train) but if I wanted to I can because LEZ type schemes generally don't stop all polluting vehicles from coming in, they just charge for the privilege.
Result: Someone somewhere makes money out of the scheme and the practice goes on pretty much as before.

Recycling: Again, more about pollution than climate change but dumped plastics are bad news all round. I've recycled for donkey's years and I'm lucky because our local schemes are really up to date with a huge variety of materials included in recycling these days. Old clothes and textiles either go to charity shops or to the local recycling centre (tip) - ditto with wood, metals, electrical items, paint, etc, etc. Behind all this, someone somewhere has to make money out of the scheme to make it viable without massive Government grants. Landfill is bad news and gases are produced as waste decomposes. Incineration had a bad name in the past but could well be the way to go because it's come on in leaps and bounds over the years. The Danish incineration plants are the cleanest in the world and only 5% of waste goes into landfill in Denmark.
Result: Far too much stuff is still dumped because there are no financial incentives, grants or motivation to companies to recycle everything that's available or to find cleaner disposal methods... at least until someone, somewhere can make money out of it!

Carbon offset: I don't fly very often but I do occasionally because my daughter lives in Australia, so I don't consider giving up flying a viable or fair option for me - or any parent with children overseas. Even so, the last time I went to Australia was in 2016 and I'm not going this year, so we're talking once in about 5 years. I'll generally tick the box to offset my carbon footprint but this obviously doesn't reduce the pollution caused in the first place. With enormous luck, promises will be kept and extra trees will be planted somewhere in the world to help with CO2 absorption. Meanwhile, people who fly frequently and unnecessarily have their conscience eased... and don't get me started on private jets to get people to climate conferences! Even Greta, bless her little cotton puppet strings, has a far greater carbon footprint than your average Jo or Josephone, despite the publicity around one of her trips by carbon fibre boat. By the way, toilet waste was dumped in the sea.
Result: Someone somewhere likely makes money out of the scheme and the practice goes on pretty much as before, although we may get more CO2 eating trees in the world.

Has someone come up with an affordable, powerful filter conversion kit for cars to remove damaging particulates and gasses? No
Has someone come up with an affordable kit to convert combustion engines to electric? No. (They do exist but not for normal budgets!)
Cheap replacement engines? No
Has anyone completely banned non-recyclable plastic? No
Are electric cars affordable and practical in the UK? No
Is battery technology good enough at the moment to serve all vehicle needs and do we have enough charging points? No
Do we have automatic induction charging strips along highways - eg, as in Norway? No
Is there a scheme to replace household boilers with electric ones without huge cost to home owners? No (Mine's only 4 years old, so forget it - it's got to see me out now!)
Has anyone banned or converted the enormous ships responsible for more pollution than all the road vehicles in the world put together? No
Have we come up with any new forms of power other than nuclear, in the past, say, 100 years? No (A French scientist invented/discovered solar power in 1989 and the first practical cell was put into use in 1954.)
Has local transport improved to the point where we can give up our cars for most journeys? No. In fact, trying to live a green, simple life in country villages almost ensures that you have to have a car to get anywhere!
Are there good cycle tracks in most places? No

So far, have governments (global, national or local), big businesses or manufacturers done anything specific to help me, as an individual, save the planet? I really don't think so.


Apologies for a war and peace epic but it's been building up for a while now and I needed to vent! Now I'll go back to living my life in as harmless a way as possible until people who can truly make a difference choose to act instead of talk!

Where is the cheer and hand clap emoji, brilliant post.
 
I think non internal combustion engines are the future and we keep hearing of the huge uptake in Norway. No wonder our Viking cousins are buying them - they do not pay any VAT(25%), no VED, get to use bus lanes and get free dedicated town/city centre parking and their electricity is 8.3p per KW. If I lived their I would buy one as the incentives are great. What does the UK do? Cuts the subsidy on electric vehicle purchase. And the solar panel feed in. They don't give a crap apart from loving the sound of their own voices.
 

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