Winter driving

Hot water vs cold water?
As I understand it, the condensate coming out of a boiler flue should pretty hot? So this is a bit strange ...
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It's a wonderful story and should be told to every youngster:
The effect is named after Tanzanian Erasto Mpemba. He described it in 1963 in Form 3 of Magamba Secondary School, Tanganyika, when freezing ice cream mix that was hot in cookery classes and noticing that it froze before the cold mix. He later became a student at Mkwawa Secondary (formerly High) School in Iringa. The headmaster invited Dr. Denis Osborne from the University College in Dar es Salaam to give a lecture on physics. After the lecture, Mpemba asked him the central question:

"If you take two similar containers with equal volumes of water, one at 35 °C (95 °F) and the other at 100 °C (212 °F), and put them into a freezer, the one that started at 100 °C (212 °F) freezes first. Why?"
Mpemba was at first ridiculed by both his classmates and his teacher. After initial consternation, however, Osborne experimented on the issue back at his workplace and confirmed Mpemba's finding. They published the results together in 1969, while Mpemba was studying at the College of African Wildlife Management.[10]

HOWEVER:
In 2016, Burridge and Linden defined the criterion as the time to reach 0 °C (32 °F; 273 K), carried out experiments, and reviewed published work to date. They noted that the large difference originally claimed had not been replicated, and that studies showing a small effect could be influenced by variations in the positioning of thermometers: "We conclude, somewhat sadly, that there is no evidence to support meaningful observations of the Mpemba effect."[1]

In controlled experiments the effect can entirely be explained by undercooling and the time of freezing was determined by what container was used.

I would still tell it to youngsters and encourage them to have an observant, questioning attitude and to be prepared to tackle perceived wisdom. IMO that is how the human race has progressed.

Gordon
 
It's a wonderful story and should be told to every youngster:
The effect is named after Tanzanian Erasto Mpemba. He described it in 1963 in Form 3 of Magamba Secondary School, Tanganyika, when freezing ice cream mix that was hot in cookery classes and noticing that it froze before the cold mix. He later became a student at Mkwawa Secondary (formerly High) School in Iringa. The headmaster invited Dr. Denis Osborne from the University College in Dar es Salaam to give a lecture on physics. After the lecture, Mpemba asked him the central question:


Mpemba was at first ridiculed by both his classmates and his teacher. After initial consternation, however, Osborne experimented on the issue back at his workplace and confirmed Mpemba's finding. They published the results together in 1969, while Mpemba was studying at the College of African Wildlife Management.[10]

HOWEVER:
In 2016, Burridge and Linden defined the criterion as the time to reach 0 °C (32 °F; 273 K), carried out experiments, and reviewed published work to date. They noted that the large difference originally claimed had not been replicated, and that studies showing a small effect could be influenced by variations in the positioning of thermometers: "We conclude, somewhat sadly, that there is no evidence to support meaningful observations of the Mpemba effect."[1]

In controlled experiments the effect can entirely be explained by undercooling and the time of freezing was determined by what container was used.

I would still tell it to youngsters and encourage them to have an observant, questioning attitude and to be prepared to tackle perceived wisdom. IMO that is how the human race has progressed.

Gordon

Dammit!

David would be giving it a large "I told you so" if he was still with us!
 
Winter in northern Sweden. My daughter's family and I went skiing (downhill) at Idre Fjäll for a few years. The campsite was high up on the mountain and you had to speed up the hill on packed snow. If there was an obstacle and you had to stop, it was inpossible to get up, you had to call for a tractor that pulled the car up the hill. -10 to -25°C electric fan 2000W and gasol as heating. A Finnish winter blanket as extra insulation on the windscreen and front doors and a blanket at the back doors. Greywater tap open with bucket underneath.
A gas bottle PC10 lasted 2 days when it was -25°C cold with 2000W on constantly.
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Winter in northern Sweden. My daughter's family and I went skiing (downhill) at Idre Fjäll for a few years. The campsite was high up on the mountain and you had to speed up the hill on packed snow. If there was an obstacle and you had to stop, it was inpossible to get up, you had to call for a tractor that pulled the car up the hill. -10 to -25°C electric fan 2000W and gasol as heating. A Finnish winter iblanket as extra insulation on the windscreen and front doors and a blanket at the back doors. Greywater tap open with bucket underneath.
A gas bottle PC10 lasted 2 days when it was -25°C cold with 2000W on constantly.
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Proper winter. Love it.
Stayed in Kiruna a few times in winter, but stayed in motel because it was -39, and dark very early.
 
I believe that warm water will freeze faster than cold water will.
I also believe that this is one of the facts that science cannot explain.

Waiting to be shot down in flames.......
If thats the case then how come I can still pee. :unsure:
 
Hot water vs cold water?
As I understand it, the condensate coming out of a boiler flue should pretty hot? So this is a bit strange ...
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No its very cool as is the flue temp on any condensing boiler, non condensing oil boilers the gas exits between 50 & 100c, so if in a garage dont use twin wall pipe, use single skin and a exchanger unit so to heat the workshop, air or water/rad free.
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No its very cool as is the flue temp on any condensing boiler, non condensing oil boilers the gas exits between 50 & 100c, so if in a garage dont use twin wall pipe, use single skin and a exchanger unit so to heat the workshop, air or water/rad free.View attachment 115906View attachment 115907
If you wrap small bore 10mm or so copper tube around the flue it will heat water, I have made a 3mm thick stainless rectangular box to sit inside my workshop stove which heats water also heats the radiator in the toilet and office. The flue in the workshop is single skin untill 600mm from the roof then twin wall. I have also installed two fans which have thermostats and come on blowing the hot air from high level back down to the workshop floor.
 
If you wrap small bore 10mm or so copper tube around the flue it will heat water, I have made a 3mm thick stainless rectangular box to sit inside my workshop stove which heats water also heats the radiator in the toilet and office. The flue in the workshop is single skin untill 600mm from the roof then twin wall. I have also installed two fans which have thermostats and come on blowing the hot air from high level back down to the workshop floor.
You like me dont like wasting, love folks good ideas. (y)
 
Not sure where I heard it but vehicles run better at night when it's cooler as the fuel and air are more dense meaning better combustion, or I could be talking ballcocks like Trev.
 
Not sure where I heard it but vehicles run better at night when it's cooler as the fuel and air are more dense meaning better combustion, or I could be talking ballcocks like Trev.
That is true and why we have intercoolers to cool the air on turbo charged vehicles. But you still talk mince like Trev🤣😂🤣
 

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