Will motorhome use resume on July 4th?

[Biggarmac]

If I remember rightly you have that stupid woman up there who has to do everything differently to everyone else just because she can. You would have thought that everyone would be singing from the same sheet of music but oh no that's just to simple.

We are a different stage in the course of the virus " up here" as are parts of England. Boris and his gang are only looking at what is happening in London and the home counties. I for one am glad I live "up hete"

 

[Fisherman]

If I remember rightly you have that stupid woman up there who has to do everything differently to everyone else just because she can. You would have thought that everyone would be singing from the same sheet of music but oh no that's just to simple.

In the last 24 hours and for the fourth day in Scotland there are no deaths, and only 22 new cases. Yesterday out of over 130 deaths in the Uk there were only 2 in Scotland. On Tuesday there were only 7 new cases reported. Apart from the care homes I reckon she has done ok. But don’t tell Bill I said that or he will remove this post

 

[2cv]

In the last 24 hours and for the fourth day in Scotland there are no deaths, and only 22 new cases. Yesterday out of over 130 deaths in the Uk there were only 2 in Scotland. On Tuesday there were only 7 new cases reported. Apart from the care homes I reckon she has done ok. But don’t tell Bill I said that or he will remove this post

It’s a balancing act between beating covid and having a working economy. By having a harder lockdown Scotland is doing well at beating covid, the price being that business is suffering more than other parts of the UK.

 

[Fisherman]

It’s a balancing act between beating covid and having a working economy. By having a harder lockdown Scotland is doing well at beating covid, the price being that business is suffering more than other parts of the UK.

As you say its a balancing act Bill.
Not a call I would like to be making.

 

[st3v3]

Yesterday out of over 130 deaths in the Uk there were only 2 in Scotland.

Meh, the population is a lot lower, and far more spread out. I don't think wee Jimmy Krankie has got anything to do with it.

 

[Fisherman]

Meh, the population is a lot lower, and far more spread out. I don't think wee Jimmy Krankie has got anything to do with it.

Scotlands Central belt contains 3 million people tightly packed together.
And some of its remote regions have suffered badly from the virus.
But it's a fair point you are making.

 

[Derekoak]

It’s a balancing act between beating covid and having a working economy. By having a harder lockdown Scotland is doing well at beating covid, the price being that business is suffering more than other parts of the UK.

If it were simply a balancing act between health and economy, why has the Uk the highest death rate in Europe and the greatest damage to our economy??
Whilst south Korea has little damage to its economy and very few deaths!
In my view Clearly late lockdown and a hidden agenda are bad for both.

 

[2cv]

If it were simply a balancing act between health and economy, why has the Uk the highest death rate in Europe and the greatest damage to our economy??
Whilst south Korea has little damage to its economy and very few deaths!
In my view Clearly late lockdown and a hidden agenda are bad for both.

There are numerous reasons. Some relate to how deaths are recorded differently in different countries, others to how the lockdown was implemented. For example Italy and Spain had a much tighter lockdown, some countries even jailed lockdown breakers. Then there is the question of how much testing is done, Trump plans to get more favourable statistics by reducing testing!
The UK response economically probably saved many businesses and certainly alleviated the economic harm to millions of workers, though obviously this at a huge cost to be repaid over many years.
Worldwide business has been kept up by the huge government spending, meaning equity markets have risen by over 30% after the steep fall in March. Certainly the UK economy has not suffered more than many others.
This is not to say that mistakes were not made by the UK. The quarantine for entry is probably having very little effect on the virus, but is decimating many sectors of the tourism industry, just an example.

 

[Derekoak]

And you think minor reasons like that can cover the difference between 50 to 60 thousand death and 25% damage to the economy (UK) and 300 deaths and about 5% damage (South Korea)? That is 2 orders of magnitude greater deaths and 5 times the damage. I will be amused to see you try.
I am remember, replying to you saying "it was a balancing act between health and economy" when it is very obvious it is not so simple

 

[2cv]

And you think minor reasons like that can cover the difference between 50 to 60 thousand death and 25% damage to the economy (UK) and 300 deaths and about 5% damage (South Korea)? I will be amused to see you try.
I am remember, replying to you saying it was a balancing act between health and economy when it is very obvious it is not so simple

I’d say it is basically that simple, but that there are many other factors affecting the final result, just a few of which I have pointed out. Perhaps you‘d like to explain in more detail why in your view the figures vary so widely.

 

[Debroos]

If I remember rightly you have that stupid woman up there who has to do everything differently to everyone else just because she can. You would have thought that everyone would be singing from the same sheet of music but oh no that's just to simple.

Or is it the stupid man down here who is doing everything differently from the rest of the u.k? just because he can?

 

[Derekoak]

Government policy, government policy government policy and a few other things, in my view. In south Korea, they got their first case very early but still they got a good test up and running in about a week and got a full blown test track trace and quarantine system up within a few more weeks. So they never locked down nationally.
They had a bit of help, but I think that is much less effect. They had a scare with SARS and MERS which we avoided so their population had experience and were willing to do the right thing. They nearly all wear masks in the street, before covid because of previous experience. When a secretive Christian sect caused thousands of cases in one city with mass services. The whole city was not officially locked down but the population did it anyway voluntarily.
They have more mobile phones per head than any other country. (Samsung is south Korean). Their tracing phone app works!
But in other ways they are similar to us: as urban, more densely populated, about equal numbers of citizens, very similar age profile.
But South Korea is not alone, I could point out New Zealand, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Germany, Australia all have done better in damage to the economy and deaths too! China too but they are not a democracy. Test , track, trace quarantine is the common thread with these countries.

Brazil, Russia and the USA have made a mess of both economy and covid deaths, like us. I see a similarity between the governments of we four countries. Populism before expertise.
Agreed Italy and Spain have suffered too and do not fit my view.
However I think it is not a balance between health and the economy. Avoid long periods of lockdown and you can have both. Test , track trace quarantine.

 

[2cv]

Government policy, government policy government policy and a few other things, in my view. In south Korea, they got their first case very early but still they got a good test up and running in about a week and got a full blown test track trace and quarantine system up within a few more weeks. So they never locked down nationally.
They had a bit of help, but I think that is much less effect. They had a scare with SARS and MERS which we avoided so their population had experience and were willing to do the right thing. They nearly all wear masks in the street, before covid because of previous experience. When a secretive Christian sect caused thousands of cases in one city with mass services. The whole city was not officially locked down but the population did it anyway voluntarily.
They have more mobile phones per head than any other country. (Samsung is south Korean). Their tracing phone app works!
But in other ways they are similar to us: as urban, more densely populated, about equal numbers of citizens, very similar age profile.
But South Korea is not alone, I could point out New Zealand, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Germany, Australia all have done better in damage to the economy and deaths too! China too but they are not a democracy. Test , track, trace quarantine is the common thread with these countries.

Brazil, Russia and the USA have made a mess of both economy and covid deaths, like us. I see a similarity between the governments of we four countries. Populism before expertise.
Agreed Italy and Spain have suffered too and do not fit my view.
However I think it is not a balance between health and the economy. Avoid long periods of lockdown and you can have both. Test , track trace quarantine.

That certainly appears to make sense. The lockdown I feel was necessary because of the lack of preparedness initially, meaning testing limitations and limited ppe meaning insufficient hospital places if the virus left unchecked. The necessity to balance virus and economy comes from shortness of resource. Given the abilty test track trace quarantine would work.
The UK has also suffered from the effects of devolved administrations causing confusion and employing (at not inconsiderable expense) their own advisors and decision makers. Better to have this centralised with regional tweaking where necessary.

 

[trevskoda]

a hidden agenda are bad for both.

Yes the gov is trying to get rid of old people and esp those in c/vans clogging up car parks and sea fronts all through the night.

 

[Moped]

Wow we have moved on from whether motorhome use will resume on 4th July!

Interesting thoughts on the politics however.

Whilst the clubs are hoping and planning for a restart on 4th July nothing has yet been said by the government about campsites. Only holiday parks with self contained accommodation get a mention.

I fear the worst unfortunately as the government seem to have this desire to control who goes where to enable tracing and local lockdowns if required. This is something that is impossible to control, even with a campsite pre booking system, if motorhomes are touring around doing short term random stopovers.

But we shall see.

 

[Fisherman]

Wow we have moved on from whether motorhome use will resume on 4th July!

Interesting thoughts on the politics however.

Whilst the clubs are hoping and planning for a restart on 4th July nothing has yet been said by the government about campsites. Only holiday parks with self contained accommodation get a mention.

I fear the worst unfortunately as the government seem to have this desire to control who goes where to enable tracing and local lockdowns if required. This is something that is impossible to control, even with a campsite pre booking system, if motorhomes are touring around doing short term random stopovers.

But we shall see.

I would be astounded if the sites don’t open in England 4 July and 15 July in Scotland. The C&MC and the CCC have been in close communication with the government, and both organisations have informed members of what sites they are opening. They are both taking bookings for England from 4 July and 15 July for Scotland. And they are just about fully booked.

 

[landoboguy]

the seaside towns are opening, so they need folk there to spend money as the locals don't keep the tourism economies going.
MHs will be soon, very soon.

 

[witzend]

Whilst south Korea has little damage to its economy and very few deaths!

A lot to do with when South Koreans are told to lock down stay indoors they did it theres No If's or Buts. No riots or complaints about tracking apps if their told to do some thing the only answer is Yes Sir how quick Sir

 

[Derekoak]

I agree maybe we all need a background in Confucius. It would as we see, sometimes have massive advantages. No lockdown, large trust in the government because they deserve it, little damage few deaths, a lot going for that.
Perhaps New Zealand would be more comfortable as a model?
Yes sorry @Moped off topic and I care about the original topic!

 

[TeamRienza]

The British people are too fond of their ‘rights, democracy and privacy to fully lock down as S. Korea etc. Wether that is a good or a bad thing is up for discussion (not on this thread though).

It was noticeable in my own small resort town in Co. Down that there was a very good response locally to the lockdown and etiquette on distance. Very few visitors as nowhere was open, however once the cafes started selling takeaway coffee, the ice cream parlours selling out side their doorways and fast food likewise the compliance crumbled as visitors flocked to town.

I believe that the lockdown boundary is pushed and disregarded as it is eased, and I expect that motorhomers will be no different if we are not included in the easement for caravan sites, b&bs, second homes etc. But I do think we are simply overlooked in the great scheme of things as we are such a small sector. Look how our simple parking needs are not given serious consideration.

Davy