Wild camping is legal

Sean,
I am convinced you are right about "more likely to ban motor bikes than horses" but I fear the reason has much to do with the fact that rich (& often powerful people) enjoy their horses, but the people who enjoy motorbikes are frequently perceived as poor (despite some of the bikes costing more than cars to buy & run)

More MP's ride horses than ride motorbikes. QED
 
We did see a few more caravans today on the way back from Darlington coming up the A66. One was holding up about 2 miles of traffic and they just look so vunerable out there. I made some comment to Mrs D who surprisingly snorted back that they have every right to be there. Its tradition and anyway your an old hippy who wants to live in a motorhome **** so what are you babbling on about. She has a point. My main concern in my earlier posts was for the saftey of the travellers, animals and car drivers to be honest not because I dont like or resent them although some dont do themselves any favours.

We did laugh though on the way to Darlington as we passed one traditional Caravan doing 60 on the back of a flat bed transit. Either he couldnt be Arsed spending days getting across the A66 or his horse pegged it in the river (hope it was the former)
 
barryd said:
We did see a few more caravans today on the way back from Darlington coming up the A66. One was holding up about 2 miles of traffic and they just look so vunerable out there. I made some comment to Mrs D who surprisingly snorted back that they have every right to be there. Its tradition and anyway your an old hippy who wants to live in a motorhome **** so what are you babbling on about. She has a point. My main concern in my earlier posts was for the saftey of the travellers, animals and car drivers to be honest not because I dont like or resent them although some dont do themselves any favours.

We did laugh though on the way to Darlington as we passed one traditional Caravan doing 60 on the back of a flat bed transit. Either he couldnt be Arsed spending days getting across the A66 or his horse pegged it in the river (hope it was the former)
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I like the sound of Mrs D. She sounds like she has her head screwed on right. :lol-053:
 
Schtumples said:
I fear that this derek would rather stand shoulder by shoulder with davyboy rather than the teachers pets who hunt in packs on here only to whimper and shout for teacher when the prey stands it's ground.
some of the teachers seem to have pets also.
just an observation folks. he doesn't seem the type to put up with bullies to me, what do you think? those not in the clique I mean.
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Now then, that's exactly the sort of comment I would have expected him to make...

Teachers pets, hunting in packs, whimpering and shouting, prey standing it's ground - good God, man, this is a forum, not a school playground or the House of Commons - and with all those metaphors and emotive language, I'm not quite sure exactly what your point is. And as for cliques, does that mean friendships?

Anyway, that's enough from me on the subject of disruptive posters, I suppose I shouldn't have started it, but I did and my apologies if that was wrong, but I wouldn't like this thread to just turn into another slanging match as a result of some light hearted banter. Hopefully others will do the same and will give the petty politicking a rest, as it would be a shame for this thread to turn nasty, when we've managed to have some meaningful discussons without resorting to bickering and name calling. That's the last word from me on the matter.
 
For somebody who has only been here a few days, you seem to know a lot about this forum. Strange that!
 
Schtumples said:
as a mere outside observer I thought he stood his ground rather well until the real bullies ran to teacher, anyway, it was not the clique's opinion I was after, all neutral observers know that.
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Nice try, troll.
 
WVW,

You've got me shtumped. Whoever can you be talking about? Don't tell me we have yet another attention-seeker using yet another alter-ego? :D
Personally, i'm not convinced that Northener and ALF HUCKER have gone away entirely, either. That's the internet forum ( "social media"?) for you, I suppose.

Davey,

You partly missed my point: classical music ( something I quite like myself) is a thing from the past, imo. That doesn't detract from it, imo. That was all. I didn't mind you going off-topic one bit. It tends to be the done thing, whenever the "T" word is mentioned. :D You didn't "see" or "taste" any "sour grapes" coming from my direction.

" The Hoof before the Wheel".


Barry,

No worries. I meant to mention last time that the majority of vardos are low-loadered or piggy-backed on more modern trucks for distance work. A vardo wasn't meant to go much more than twenty miles a day.
Thing of the past? Undoubtedly, but no probs. All a bit like steam engines attending a show, I guess.

Smaug,

Yes, another thing I forgot to mention last time was that most owners of horses across the globe are classy and rich ( perhaps 'tis my turn to be in the minority this time, but i ain't gonna cry or blub. ;)

" The Sport of Kings".

But, like I've often noted on these here fora, the real upper echelons of society ain't nowhere near as bad as the jumped- up whippersnappers of the middleclasses. These are the dudes that Sir David should address when he's chatting about "sour grapes", in my opinion.

We can work it out; we've had plenty of experience, which is another thing that can only come with age.

Googling and book-learning ain't a patch on the real thing. A bit like sex, i suppose, though my memory ain't so good nowadays. :D

Btw, I told everybody for years that google is the CIA, but, as ever, I was met with derision. Everything comes to those who wait. Trouble is I'm fast running out of the most precious thing of the lot: time.

All the best!

sean rua

Ruler of the World ( Derby winner 2013). Get in!
 
sean rua said:
WVW,

You've got me shtumped. Whoever can you be talking about? Don't tell me we have yet another attention-seeker using yet another alter-ego? :D
Personally, i'm not convinced that Northener and ALF HUCKER have gone away entirely, either. That's the internet forum ( "social media"?) for you, I suppose.

Davey,

You partly missed my point: classical music ( something I quite like myself) is a thing from the past, imo. That doesn't detract from it, imo. That was all. I didn't mind you going off-topic one bit. It tends to be the done thing, whenever the "T" word is mentioned. :D You didn't "see" or "taste" any "sour grapes" coming from my direction.

" The Hoof before the Wheel".


Barry,

No worries. I meant to mention last time that the majority of vardos are low-loadered or piggy-backed on more modern trucks for distance work. A vardo wasn't meant to go much more than twenty miles a day.
Thing of the past? Undoubtedly, but no probs. All a bit like steam engines attending a show, I guess.

Smaug,

Yes, another thing I forgot to mention last time was that most owners of horses across the globe are classy and rich ( perhaps 'tis my turn to be in the minority this time, but i ain't gonna cry or blub. ;)

" The Sport of Kings".

But, like I've often noted on these here fora, the real upper echelons of society ain't nowhere near as bad as the jumped- up whippersnappers of the middleclasses. These are the dudes that Sir David should address when he's chatting about "sour grapes", in my opinion.

We can work it out; we've had plenty of experience, which is another thing that can only come with age.

Googling and book-learning ain't a patch on the real thing. A bit like sex, i suppose, though my memory ain't so good nowadays. :D

Btw, I told everybody for years that google is the CIA, but, as ever, I was met with derision. Everything comes to those who wait. Trouble is I'm fast running out of the most precious thing of the lot: time.

All the best!

sean rua

Ruler of the World ( Derby winner 2013). Get in!
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:lol-053: :cheers:
 
Anyone just watched the Big Fat Gypsy Wedding "Life on the Road"?

It would seem that travellers these days are definitely not allowed to pitch up where they like and stay for months on end. Well thats what this program portrayed. The group of I guess 20 vans were moved on no less than 20 times in one month.

I started to feel sorry for them. IT cant be much of a life, especially for the children. I thought there were traveller sites but I think this was part of their gripe that there aren't any.

I kind of lost sympathy though when the two blokes were haggling a bike dealer for a quad bike and one of them having knocked the price down then proceeded to try nicking some engine oil and got caught!

I should have more in common with them. All I want to do is travel and see the world from my van. Maybe do a bit of work (although maybe not). Its no wonder fewer are bothering to travel anymore though as it clearly isnt easy for them like we assume it is. has the law changed as they certainly did used to park up and stay for months and certainly on the routes to appelby they do (perhaps things are more relaxed around the fair).
 
Councils were required by law to provide sites for Gypsies, but very few did & those that did ended up as static sites. The Tories repealed the law quite recently & continue to harry people in caravans, motorhomes & on canal boats that wish to live an itinerate life style.

Having "no fixed abode" is generally seen as tantamount to being guilty - err, of everything.

We too, are in the line of fire.
 
Smaug said:
Councils were required by law to provide sites for Gypsies, but very few did & those that did ended up as static sites. The Tories repealed the law quite recently & continue to harry people in caravans, motorhomes & on canal boats that wish to live an itinerate life style.

Having "no fixed abode" is generally seen as tantamount to being guilty - err, of everything.

We too, are in the line of fire.
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And I think this is what I felt tonight watching that program. There is common ground. I like the idea of an itinerate lifestyle although I would never dream of just parking where I like or taking over a public park or football pitch as was the case in the program but they did seem kind of stuffed. At least we can go on a CL or a small remote wild spot. These Gypsies are a bit buggered really. I can kind of see the appeal to them of going back to the traditional ways for a few weeks around the Appleby show. I imagine much of the talk will be of the good old days of travelling (when they could) I kind of wish I hadnt been so condemming of them earlier really but I still think that some of them do their public image no good whatsoever.
 
barryd said:
And I think this is what I felt tonight watching that program. There is common ground. I like the idea of an itinerate lifestyle although I would never dream of just parking where I like or taking over a public park or football pitch as was the case in the program but they did seem kind of stuffed. At least we can go on a CL or a small remote wild spot. These Gypsies are a bit buggered really. I can kind of see the appeal to them of going back to the traditional ways for a few weeks around the Appleby show. I imagine much of the talk will be of the good old days of travelling (when they could) I kind of wish I hadnt been so condemming of them earlier really but I still think that some of them do their public image no good whatsoever.
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The problem is Barry as I see things, Public image albeit it should ..doesnt feature that high on the wish list, If you feel you are against the wall, you soon revert to Survive in order to put bread on the table ...If any community feels under the Kosh Maslows hierarchy of needs holds true and the perception of others about you is way way down the list .

Can you name a political party, local authority, who has had the balls to offer travellers an olive branch ? you will need to think hard.

If you feel that community has castigated you , its surely no surprise that the same community is treated with suspicion and at times disdain


Channa.
 
Horses on the road

Hi All,

This is not to do with the original post on travellers but to do with some of the comments made thoughout the thread.

As an experianced horserider, a fairly new motorhomer, a keen walker and a driver for 6 years I would just like to put my point across to some of the comments on here.......


1) Personally - I do think every form of transport should be allowed on the road (walkers / horses / cyclists / runners / motorbikes / cars / motorhomes / buses etc etc) It is how we all treat each other on the road that makes the difference and stops accidents. We all have our pet hates (mine being cyclists that ride in massive groups taking up a cars width and a buses length!) but we learn to deal with it - be patient and use our common sense to pass when it is safe.

2) Like with all groups of any kind - there are bad ones - there are bad motorhomers, bad horse riders, bad drivers, bad cyclists, bad walkers etc etc .... the list is endless.......

3) There are also good ones.

4) I totally agree its not ideal to have horses on main roads (we really would prefer not too!) but to get to some of the bridleways you need to use a main road and in many cases/ areas there just isnt anywhere other than roads to ride on. Hacking out can be a major part of most horses / peoples lives. (some horses may only be able to hack out because of medical reasons / it is a nice change for the horses routine and so much more which I wont go into)

5) There are not nearly enough bridleways - many footpaths would be perfect for horses but they choose to put a stile up instead of a gate. I have my horses at a fairly large livery yard but it leads onto a main road, it is at least 20 minutes ride away (and much longer) to even reach a bridleway or the country lanes. I have ridden out on this road many times and luckily my horse is very good - but the speed at which motorists go past, and also how close shocks me? Is it really that hard to slow down for say 60 seconds and overtake at a suitable distance. Yes horses are unpredictable - but so are people. I have been out on one of the safest horses you can get but he still spooked at a lorry going past at 60mph with a rattling trailer flying about with ladders hanging off and inches away from me - and this wasnt a one-off, this happens all the time.

6) To say horse riders should just put their horses in a wagon and take them elsewhere is unreasonable. Not all riders have access to a trailer or wagon and hacking out can be part of a daily routine.

7)I totally agree with the comment about young riders being out on the road who may not even yet know the highway code - I feel this is a parental issue and they should not be allowed out without supervision.

8)There are may experianced and considerate riders out there. I consider myself one of them. I know it annoys a lot of people when riders are double breasted but normally (i use that lightly) there is a reason, most of the time it is due to inconsiderate drivers and the riders do this to slow the traffic down if they are not passing wide and slow. Also younger more inexperienced horses need to learn - as do learner drivers.

As a walker - some of out routes reqiure roads, again I am shocked at how motorists pass
As a driver - I am shocked at how some people drive
As a motorhomer I am shocked at how some people leave rubbish behind

I havent made a lot of points on here but I hope you get my drift.............

oh - and I suspect not all travellers are bad too!
 
Schtumples said:
never heard of guests o bright one?
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Well you don't exactly come across as brain of Britain yourself!

Just a rather sad person really. And you say that Derek/Flipflap/Screevin (or of course his latest alias) was bullied? By his own admission he was an aggressive poster. If you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take it back and not start crying when you get a little bit back.
 
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sean rua said:
Getting with it and "kule"?

Get On My Horse (WoW Heavy Metal Edition) Extended - YouTube


Have a nice day; enjoy; take care, etc. :):cheers::shag::egg:


sean rua.
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Loved this one! Bonkers but brilliant.

I have never had much luck with horses. When I was 18 my girlfriend was obsessed by them and had her own horse which she clearly cared for more than me. After several pints one afternoon it was decided I would have a go on the horse outside the pub which was on one of the main roads out of Darlington. She promptly wacked its arse and off it went tearing up the white line with me bouncing around on the back of it not knowing where the brakes were or how to turn the damn thing around.

Second time was on the beach where I was getting the hang of it until it ran into the sea, promptly stopped and sent me flying over its handle bars (head?).

I eventually got the hang of it whilst in Greece with Mrs D where we had lessons up in the mountains with a German instructor who was brilliant. Problem was they were Greek horses but German commands and on the few occassions I have since had a go back here none of them worked.

If God meant us to ride horses he wouldnt have invented Motorcycles if you ask me.

Sorry. Back on topic.
 
Unfortunately, so are many motorcycles and cars, whose riders/drivers, however well qualified, are much more likely to be the cause of road accidents than the average horse-rider. Should all motorcycles and cars that are being used for pleasure be "transported" to safe off-road play areas before they are let loose?

And as there were far less multi-horse pile-ups in the old days than there have been multi-car pile-ups since, surely the more horses we have on our roads the safer we would be?

I think that learning to ride a horse competently should be compulsory for everyone, before being allowed to take charge of any motor vehicle! :)
 
Considering that we used horses for many more years than we have used cars, why do you think it is that we use the word "carnage" much more than the word "horseage"? :)
 
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