Wallasey / New Brighton stopover under threat

[Fisherman]

Thank you Fisherman for your research on this so maybe Antiquesam can enlighten us on where we can pitch up for the very reasonable price of £5.00?

And Fisherman you stated the bedfordshire site was from £5.00 a night so I wonder what the extras (always extras in my experience)that will bring the nightly rate up to?

Michael

Hardly research Michael just browsed over the guide.

Only been to three CLS in England, were on two of them they asked me if I was a C&M club member before taking booking, and one asked for my membership card on arrival.

I paid between £12-17 on my visits.

And I used the shower facilities on two of them.

We used one in Scotland after 5 nights wild camping to empty our toilet and get a GOOD shower before heading home next morning. I was not asked for my card and we turned up without booking. That one was £12

 

[Fisherman]

On some CL and CS basic sites you can have a shower ...... as long as you put a £1 coin in the slot first.

Over the years I have stayed on lots of Sites (when I was working around the country). I can't see how you have a problem with Clubs and regimentation. I only had dealings with the Wardens when I arrived and gave them a wave when I left. You must be a bit of a workyticket if you have had problems with the Staff?

Hardly call the farmer or land/home owner staff, yes I agree no regimentation was involved.

But what is a workyticket, never heard that term

 

[mickymost]

On some CL and CS basic sites you can have a shower ...... as long as you put a £1 coin in the slot first.

Over the years I have stayed on lots of Sites (when I was working around the country). I can't see how you have a problem with Clubs and regimentation. I only had dealings with the Wardens when I arrived and gave them a wave when I left. You must be a bit of a workyticket if you have had problems with the Staff?

Maingate Im not a member of any of these mentioned clubs and never have been So how would I have had problems with their staff up to now.Im trying on this posting to figure out whether its advantageous to join or not?


And please explain Workyticket


Michael

 

[mickymost]

Maingate Im not a member of any of these mentioned clubs and never have been So how would I have had problems with their staff up to now.Im trying on this posting to figure out whether its advantageous to join or not?


And please explain Workyticket


Michael

And I was led to believe on one of these clubs one is told where to pitch up i/e given a pitch number (regimental)where on the other club you suit yourself but Maingate you seem to state this is not the case? So on both clubs Maingate can one suit oneself and pitch up where one likes is this what you mean?





And I refer to the clubs main sites on this comment as they are the ones with site wardens,which you mentioned in your reply....

Smaller cls and cs I pressume one deals with the land owner?

Michael

 

[jeanette]

mickymost this is a worky ticket it’s Geordie Slang I hope this explains it for you

 

[Fisherman]

And I was led to believe on one of these clubs one is told where to pitch up i/e given a pitch number (regimental)where on the other club you suit yourself but Maingate you seem to state this is not the case? So on both clubs Maingate can one suit oneself and pitch up where one likes is this what you mean?





And I refer to the clubs main sites on this comment as they are the ones with site wardens,which you mentioned in your reply....

Smaller cls and cs I pressume one deals with the land owner?

Michael

Michael,

I have been to campsites private ones, C&MC sites and I reckon claiming that they are regimented is a bit unfair. The staff are always very pleasant and helpful, and from what I see they are dedicated to their work. They tend to be older folk 50s upwards normally couples and quite frankly they could not do enough for you when asked. Yes when you hsve over a hundred pitches together you have to have rules, but they are there to make you enjoy your stay and for your safety. I don’t mind campsites, or CLS, but my preference is definitely a remote beautiful part of Scotland with access to the hills, but that’s me.

But we are all different, some say they don’t like campsites, some say that you can’t wild camp in Brighton, some say you are only wild camping if it’s in a rural area. I find it strange that in a modern Motorhome that you can claim to be wild camping. To me wild camping involves a tent, but then that’s just my opinion, and that’s not worth anymore than anyone else’s on here.

But although I am not really to intersested in town centre “wild camping” I hate to see the way that we are being treated by SOME councils in the uk. I feel that we should adopt the continental arrangement with aires throughout the urban and even in some limited rural locations. Our solution seems to be putting up barriers or signs basicly saying go take a hike we don’t want your sort here.

So for me campsites have their place, I use them when we have our grandson with us sometimes, or if I am unsure of the area. When we go somewhere for the first time we tend to go to a site then wander about looking for locations to wild camp, we have found some crackers this way, most of which are not on here.

So do yourself a favour Michael embrace all forms of camping, because if you can enjoy a city centre campsite, or wild camp in the back of beyond, you are much better placed than those that claim only rural will do.

 

[Fisherman]

View attachment 68432 mickymost this is a worky ticket it’s Geordie Slang I hope this explains it for you

Geordies and Aberdonians having a chat they would need an interpreter.

Love the Geordie accent, but can’t understsnd it sometimes, as for the Aberdeen north east dorrach, it’s a whole new language.

 

[maingate]

And I was led to believe on one of these clubs one is told where to pitch up i/e given a pitch number (regimental)where on the other club you suit yourself but Maingate you seem to state this is not the case? So on both clubs Maingate can one suit oneself and pitch up where one likes is this what you mean?





And I refer to the clubs main sites on this comment as they are the ones with site wardens,which you mentioned in your reply....

Smaller cls and cs I pressume one deals with the land owner?

Michael

It is correct that one of the Clubs direct you to a pitch. You have to remember that units come in all shapes and sizes and have Hab doors on opposite sides. Not all pitches are of equal size and some Members have mobility issues. If you find that a Warden looking at your unit, then deciding a suitable pitch for it is regimentation, then I would suggest you try a different way of holidaying. If you stay in a Hotel, you are given a key to a room, you don't wander round the Hotel to decide which one you want.

For your information I am a member of the C&CC. I never use the big Club Sites, only their CS and Temporary Holiday Sites. We wild less and less, avoid seaside resorts like the plague (because they seem to attract tossers in motorhomes). All of this thanks to the huge increase in motorhome ownership. What we have noticed is that when on sites, Caravan owners tend to be more open and friendly than motorhome owners. These people who wave at you while driving, often don't mix with others on sites. We can be a strange lot .... at least you lot are, nowt wrong with me.

 

[Fisherman]

It is correct that one of the Clubs direct you to a pitch. You have to remember that units come in all shapes and sizes and have Hab doors on opposite sides. Not all pitches are of equal size and some Members have mobility issues. If you find that a Warden looking at your unit, then deciding a suitable pitch for it is regimentation, then I would suggest you try a different way of holidaying. If you stay in a Hotel, you are given a key to a room, you don't wander round the Hotel to decide which one you want.

For your information I am a member of the C&CC. I never use the big Club Sites, only their CS and Temporary Holiday Sites. We wild less and less, avoid seaside resorts like the plague (because they seem to attract tossers in motorhomes). All of this thanks to the huge increase in motorhome ownership. What we have noticed is that when on sites, Caravan owners tend to be more open and friendly than motorhome owners. These people who wave at you while driving, often don't mix with others on sites. We can be a strange lot .... at least you lot are, nowt wrong with me.

Ooooooocccchhh

Well well maingate, generalisation is the enemy here.

I like to treat people as I find them, regardless of what they own or where they are parked.

Idiots come in all sorts of shapes and varieties, and so do good folk.

Unless of course they are C&CC members, or don’t support the same football team as me :lol-053::lol-053:

Open mindedness is a virtue.

 

[Channa]

In my experience of the CC club ( calls itself something different nowadays ) the larger sites are more structured, most leave you to have a ride around find a pitch and report back letting them know where you are

Some sites like clumber there are entry barriers that require an electronic key and the shower block and toilets have a key too. This is down to the General Public in the park sneaking on taking advantages of the facilities and disappearing so fully understandable

Cls the ones I used generally werent in tourist areas I would ring first to find out whether there was a space, and upon arrival just pitch where you want.

price wise it all varies again off season mid week I was paying £7 per night at Clumber including unrestricted EHU. People taking the mickey is the reason a lot of the smaller sites have pre paid electric meters,

When I had done my bits bats and bobs wilding the van was self contained surely that's part of the point, showering cooking toilets all on board so all that needed to be left was tyre tracks

Facilities on cls vary from location to location (same with France )Membership of either club gives you a handbook with all locations listed and prices telling the facilities there

Channa

 

[maingate]

Ooooooocccchhh

Well well maingate, generalisation is the enemy here.

I like to treat people as I find them, regardless of what they own or where they are parked.

Idiots come in all sorts of shapes and varieties, and so do good folk.

Unless of course they are C&CC members, or don’t support the same football team as me :lol-053::lol-053:

Open mindedness is a virtue.

I refer the honourable gentleman to his signature at the bottom of all his posts. :dance:

 

[Fisherman]

I refer the honourable gentleman to his signature at the bottom of all his posts. :dance:

Ok I consider myself referred, and what’s your point

 

[maingate]

Ok I consider myself referred, and what’s your point

You seem to disagree with my use of the word 'generally'. I used it in the context of observing other motorhomers and caravanners (on sites and off) over many years and coming to a conclusion. I will be totally honest here .... I start with a low opinion of others in this pastime and let them convince me otherwise. I will still be friendly, will say hello or wave but I expect to be disappointed. Within all large groups there are a percentage of tossers, motorhoming is not immune to this, it is a reflection on modern day society. On the other hand we have got to know people that regularly use the C&CC THS and have made a few good friends. The WC Meets are similar because we are responsible people who respect others. The Clubs and forums are not of interest to the worst offenders. To quote from another forum "We are wildcampers, not freeloading tossers".

 

[Fisherman]

You seem to disagree with my use of the word 'generally'. I used it in the context of observing other motorhomers and caravanners (on sites and off) over many years and coming to a conclusion. I will be totally honest here .... I start with a low opinion of others in this pastime and let them convince me otherwise. I will still be friendly, will say hello or wave but I expect to be disappointed. Within all large groups there are a percentage of tossers, motorhoming is not immune to this, it is a reflection on modern day society. On the other hand we have got to know people that regularly use the C&CC THS and have made a few good friends. The WC Meets are similar because we are responsible people who respect others. The Clubs and forums are not of interest to the worst offenders. To quote from another forum "We are wildcampers, not freeloading tossers".

Maingate you never used the word generally.

You referred to motorhomers parked up on seaside resorts as tossers, I agree that there will be one or two but generally speaking most are trying to make the best of what they have due to of a lack of proper facilities.
And there will be some who are inexperienced who have yet to learn. I have only being doing this for three years now.

When I chat with someone on a site I don't care what they own, a £150,000 motorhome or an Argos £50 tent, it makes no difference to me.

But you still have not explained the reference to my signature, I find that strange.

Unlike some I welcome varying opinions, but that does not preclude me from disagreeing and putting forward my point.

Like you I much prefer wild camping away from seaside resorts, but some on here like that kind of thing, and its getting tougher each year with 14000 new homes on the road each year and less and less places to pitch up each year.

We all have differing needs and tastes, that's what makes us all different.

Also you are spot on, types that behave poorly are unlikely to post on here.

 

[mickymost]

After owning a tent then trailer tent then old caravan etc and camping, We owned a motorhome a brand new one in 1992 to 1996 and used campsites (not club sites so no experience of these)and we never knew of such a pastime as wild camping.We sold the motorhome in 1996 to get a deposit to buy a house.After many years of no holidays due to work commitments and suchlike in 2012 sadly my dad passed away and we went on a mad spree on holidays cruises then abroad in hotels ,which cost a fortune .Then in 2014 we bought an old campervan to get back into camping holidays this old campervan being based on a mercedes and we found this wonderful forum and have since changed vehicles three times to end up with our 25 year old Hymer which is better than the 21 year old Hymer we had two years ago.We ourselves like to mix wildcamping up and use both inland pois and coastal pois and love Scotland with all it has to offer.But in the last four years we have noticed lots of changes with councils cracking the whip and shutting doors on us in this pastime which is a shame.And this is happening inland and on the coast as well.And the NC500 in Scotland has been a victim of its success.Two many motorhomes are clogging up the route according to reports etc and residents are getting peed off?

And yes Maingate there are tossers as you put it that are spoiling wildcamping for the genuine campers.And councils are now using that Tar brush on us all.But Maingate as you said in all walks of life you will come across tossers.
So Fisherman like yourselves we have only been wildcamping for four years now.

Maingate please let Fisherman know problem he has with his signature? Its not obvious?

Michael

 

[maingate]

In response to requests, I will clear up the confusion over Fishermans signature.

ie: 'If we all agreed there would be no discussion, and it would be a dull boring world'.

We don't all agree, we all think differently .... and that causes discussion.

Which is actually what we are doing now .... in a civilised manner (I hope).

 

[Fisherman]

In response to requests, I will clear up the confusion over Fishermans signature.

ie: 'If we all agreed there would be no discussion, and it would be a dull boring world'.

We don't all agree, we all think differently .... and that causes discussion.

Which is actually what we are doing now .... in a civilised manner (I hope).

If I thought this was not civilised I would withdraw, of course its civilised.
I have a rule I always follow when on forums.
Never say online anything that I would not say to your face.
Anyway thanks for the clarification.

Oh and bye the way honourable, Give me a break.

 

[maingate]

If I thought this was not civilised I would withdraw, of course its civilised.
I have a rule I always follow when on forums.
Never say online anything that I would not say to your face.
Anyway thanks for the clarification.

Oh and bye the way honourable, Give me a break.

Don't sell yourself short, I have a soft spot for the Jocks. I worked with hundreds of them at King Khalid Military City in the 1970's .......

...... of course with it being Saudi Arabia, there was no alcohol .... officially. :lol-061:

 

[Fisherman]

Don't sell yourself short, I have a soft spot for the Jocks. I worked with hundreds of them at King Khalid Military City in the 1970's .......

...... of course with it being Saudi Arabia, there was no alcohol .... officially. :lol-061:

We Scots have a rep for heavy boozing.

But the heaviest boozing I ever took part in involved a cricket match between Lancashire and Middlesex in Blackpool.

And I was the only Scot in our crowd, I could not keep up with the English guys.
I have never been so drunk, I had a three day hangover.
And two of the English guys went to work next day.
They were roof workers would you beleive.

 

[Channa]

The other thing to consider is if 14000 new vans have been registered this year how many of those are rental vehicles I know of at least two dealers that have gone that route and know the owners from a previous life.

The motivation behind renting can be many, try before you buy, or a holiday more suited than hotels poorly relatives in tow there is a multitude of reasons, some will be responsible others irresponsible and some of the latter not deliberately just thoughtless

This is not the first year leisure vehicles have enjoyed growth but the impact on venues, popular tales of the NC500 and the social media exposure is putting relentless pressure on the past time

I commented earlier as to my thoughts on why councils are reluctant duty to their ratepayers and seen to be doing the right thing my point, that viewpoint doesn't help our cause and realistically we don't have nor will have any organisation that will fight the cause So in essence desires of aire type arrangements as per France are wishful thinking I doubt at this point a reality

On a positive note it should be remembered all this came about in France not to enhance trade etc but an answer to pressure placed on tourist areas to solve a problem.Thankfully for our benefit authorites there have seen incremental benefits of increased trade but that was never the intention


Other pastimes that have been popular down to pressures and irresponsible elements havs seen such as recreational off roading , trial riding banned en bloc in a lot of areas the wildcamping I see following the same path

Channa