Under seal

[argoose]

Hi all, thought I'd share a recent find. my brother has a motorbike which is his pride and joy, having a chat one day he was on about winterising it. He showed me a bottle of ACF 50, having a read it sounded like just the stuff to use instead of under seal.
It was developed for the aviation industry, for planes in flight and in storage.
Good with electrics, in fact the only thing it says it reacts with is the rubbers on 40+ year old cars.
I sloshed it all underneath the van, six months on looks really good. Especially on sump, axle and leaf springs.
Interesting to know if anyone else has tried it and results.

 

[Byronic]

Well known product in the motorcycle world, and highly thought of.
But it definitely isn't something to "slosh" around, not that it would be harmful, But because (a) it's
expensive and (b) it doesn't work well applied over dirt or greasy surfaces
so would be largely ineffective, and wasted if used over acres of intact painted steel
unlikey to corrode. More a product you apply to selected cleaned up metal, chrome,
anodised surfaces to protect from corrosion.

 

[argoose]

I needed something better than underseal. I find that it holds water underneath, next to the metal. After scraping loose under seal off, sprayed chassis and spread with brush then wiped over with rag. Used rag on sump, drive shafts, dampers, springs and brake pipes.
With the spray bottle I could apply into voids in chassis. Would say I used about 150 ML. Should get five or six applications for £26 each lasting year to 18 months, so should get four to five years out of the 900 ML bottle.
I will check underneath mid winter to see how its holding up, but as I posted, six months and looks good.
Would like to say it works where underseal would be impractical, wheel inners, leaf springs and PAS.

 

[wildebus]

Sounds good stuff
I am about to underseal my vehicle, but at £130 a bottle (if I understood the numbers right) I think it might be outside my budget on a LWB Sprinter type van :scared:

 

[trevskoda]

Hi all, thought I'd share a recent find. my brother has a motorbike which is his pride and joy, having a chat one day he was on about winterising it. He showed me a bottle of ACF 50, having a read it sounded like just the stuff to use instead of under seal.
It was developed for the aviation industry, for planes in flight and in storage.
Good with electrics, in fact the only thing it says it reacts with is the rubbers on 40+ year old cars.
I sloshed it all underneath the van, six months on looks really good. Especially on sump, axle and leaf springs.
Interesting to know if anyone else has tried it and results.

Wasting you time sloshing it there,its the metal box sections you need to do like inside sills doors a frames and inside the box floor sections where paint has not got during manafacture, the bits you see are not the bits that rust

 

[argoose]

Thanks for info. will check out how to mist it into A piller and sills

 

[argoose]

Sounds good stuff
I am about to underseal my vehicle, but at £130 a bottle (if I understood the numbers right) I think it might be outside my budget on a LWB Sprinter type van :scared:

Think you misunderstood , £26 for 900 ML but only used 150 ML, 1/6 th

 

[wildebus]

Think you misunderstood , £26 for 900 ML but only used 150 ML, 1/6 th

Ah I got that number from this sentence .... "Would say I used about 150 ML. Should get five or six applications for £26 each lasting year to 18 months, so should get four to five years out of the 900 ML bottle"
I read it as "five or six applications for £26 each, lasting year to 18 months" rather than "five or six applications for £26, each lasting year to 18 months".

£26 for a 900ML bottle is not too bad for a quality product.

 

[trevskoda]

Thanks for info. will check out how to mist it into A piller and sills

There will be holes behind carpets etc and for doors just remove the trim panel,here is what to use with a mix of waxol and white spirit,a bit of hose can be attached to gun nozel to get in tight bits.

 

[harrow]

Hi all, thought I'd share a recent find. my brother has a motorbike which is his pride and joy, having a chat one day he was on about winterising it. He showed me a bottle of ACF 50, having a read it sounded like just the stuff to use instead of under seal.
It was developed for the aviation industry, for planes in flight and in storage.
Good with electrics, in fact the only thing it says it reacts with is the rubbers on 40+ year old cars.
I sloshed it all underneath the van, six months on looks really good. Especially on sump, axle and leaf springs.
Interesting to know if anyone else has tried it and results.

ACF50 is very popular with motorcyclists, it's not very cheap, but if it does the job.

I know what you mean about underseal on old cars trapping water but waxoyl can do the same thing and I have used it on brand new cars and had rust holes.

Just painting on engine oil can do a useful job and it's cheap and simple.

 

[harrow]

Another oil to try is chainsaw, chain oil and that's tacky so it does not fly off and that is reasonably cheap I use it on my motorcycle chain, £3.84 a litre

 

[trevskoda]

Another oil to try is chainsaw, chain oil and that's tacky so it does not fly off and that is reasonably cheap I use it on my motorcycle chain, £3.84 a litre

M/cycle chains these days are sealed and oiling them atracts dust/grit which wears them out faster.

 

[argoose]

ACF50 is very popular with motorcyclists, it's not very cheap, but if it does the job.

I know what you mean about underseal on old cars trapping water but waxoyl can do the same thing and I have used it on brand new cars and had rust holes.

Just painting on engine oil can do a useful job and it's cheap and simple.

A friends farther worked for Ford and always painted the under side of his cars with the oil from an oil change. They received rust longer than most old fords

 

[trevskoda]

A friends farther worked for Ford and always painted the under side of his cars with the oil from an oil change. They received rust longer than most old fords

Old oil contains acids which will eat steel away and rust faster,its a no no.
I agree most of the new sealants and aircraft ones are by miles better than waxol but on older wagons its cheap and does ok though i add a rust inhibitor to it,got 22 years on my last car and considering most here only last max on ten years i think i done ok,rip old soda.

 

[argoose]

How do you apply it? A bit too stiff to spray, I'd have thought.

thin it with white spirit, when the spirit evaporates, it will leave the oil coating.
Used a Kero and oil mix under land rovers

 

[harrow]

The chainsaw chainoil I have purchased, and I have only purchased one brand.

It has the consistency of engine oil, but when you pull away it "strings like glue, a bit like evo-stick glue" it is literately sticky oil.

On the motorcycle chain, I put some chainsaw oil in a clean washing-up-liquid-bottle and it goes on as sticky oil.

 

[trevskoda]

The chainsaw chainoil I have purchased, and I have only purchased one brand.

It has the consistency of engine oil, but when you pull away it "strings like glue, a bit like evo-stick glue" it is literately sticky oil.

On the motorcycle chain, I put some chainsaw oil in a clean washing-up-liquid-bottle and it goes on as sticky oil.

Never put oil on a m/cycle chain as it wears it out with picking up grime.

 

[harrow]

Never put oil on a m/cycle chain as it wears it out with picking up grime.

I will have you know young Trevor that we don't have grime round here, maybe curry powder and joss sticks

 

[alwaysared]

Never put oil on a m/cycle chain as it wears it out with picking up grime.

I have a Tutoro chain oiler and my chain always looks like new. Honda actually recommend gearoil for their bikes. I can't understand why bike manufacturers install loads of computer stuff yet don't bother with any sort of system to keep the chain in good nick!

Regards,
Del

 

[trevskoda]

I have a Tutoro chain oiler and my chain always looks like new. Honda actually recommend gearoil for their bikes. I can't understand why bike manufacturers install loads of computer stuff yet don't bother with any sort of system to keep the chain in good nick!

Regards,
Del

In the last 30 years chains have been o ring sealed and only require a wipe over with a almost dry cloth containing lite oil.
In days gone past you removed the chain and boiled it in a tin of duckhams chain oil wiping dry on outside before refitting to bike,hope this clears things up regarding chain and lubs.